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January 14, 2013, 11:24:21 AM
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started for a full investigation of BFL.   Remember this is a representative of the company on the floor of CES 2013:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2m36s

I think you should post this video more; not enough people know that you're in the habit of harassing company representatives to try and make them look bad on video.
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January 14, 2013, 11:25:28 AM
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This update still does not explain the mass production of chips without a prototype and testing. The chances that these chips will work are the same as 100,000 lines of code written on paper by the programmer.  They still do not know the exact parameters of chips.  0.8w per GH or 1.2w per GH - this is a great difference -> 50% !!!

Typical Phases of a Custom ASIC Design.
1. Feasibility Study
2. Design
3. Prototyping !!!!
4. Engineering Runs
5. Industrialization
6. Management of full IC Fabrication Process
7. Wide Selection of Processes and Technologies
8. Series Production
http://www.trias-mikro.de/html/prod_asic_overview_chipAlliance.html?1,1,0

BFL Phases:

1. Design
2. Series Production
3. Waiting for a miracle that the chips will work


I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

Software simulations of the Custom ASIC Huh? LOL  Grin  
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January 14, 2013, 11:25:42 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?
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January 14, 2013, 11:28:35 AM
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started for a full investigation of BFL.   Remember this is a representative of the company on the floor of CES 2013:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2m36s

I think you should post this video more; not enough people know that you're in the habit of harassing company representatives to try and make them look bad on video.

BFL doesnt need anyone to make them look bad. They accomplish it by themselves.

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January 14, 2013, 11:29:17 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

No there won't..... Most of them will still stick to BFL cause they believe (like really religious "batshitcrazy" people) that their holy savior ASIC will arrive soon. Even if there is another delay Smiley

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January 14, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

Nope. They are happy as can be.
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January 14, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

Why? They now have a published timeline to follow. If they fail to follow it, then the refunds will come in.

If anything, people will be more likely to order now that they have a better idea of what's happening.
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January 14, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
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How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.

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January 14, 2013, 11:33:14 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

No there won't..... Most of them will still stick to BFL cause they believe (like really religious "batshitcrazy" people) that their holy savior ASIC will arrive soon. Even if there is another delay Smiley

Okay, what kind of delay are you expecting? Point to the part of their timeline where the failure will be.
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January 14, 2013, 11:33:18 AM
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Will change the QFN package to BGA simply to transmit heat better?
The spartan6 have such plastic package and there is no problem, if they change to a BGA chip size should be larger and totally different PCB design starting from 0, I have not read anything about how long it will take to redesign the PCB or if that will fit inside its gleaming steel boxes sanding.
Yes there is, just trust me on this. Spartan-6 is a nightmare thermally speaking. The only reason everyone uses it for Bitcoin mining is because it's dirt-cheap compared to the FPGAs actually available in packages with decent thermals.

Also, unanticipated problem my ass. If you read the announcement it's clear they've known about this issue since well before they announced their heatsink design and casing for the Single and were just keeping quiet about it.

Quad XC6SLX150 Board: 860 MHash/s or so.
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January 14, 2013, 11:33:57 AM
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I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....
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January 14, 2013, 11:34:20 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

Why? They now have a published timeline to follow. If they fail to follow it, then the refunds will come in.

If anything, people will be more likely to order now that they have a better idea of what's happening.

BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.
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January 14, 2013, 11:34:55 AM
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How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.

They're refunding anyone who asks...

...inb4 "herp derp they will stop". If they wanted to run with the money, they would have done it months ago. The longer you take pre orders and the more well known your company becomes, the harder it is to pull off a successful scam.
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January 14, 2013, 11:37:28 AM
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I guess there will be lots of refund requests in the following days once BFL customers read the new 'update'?

No there won't..... Most of them will still stick to BFL cause they believe (like really religious "batshitcrazy" people) that their holy savior ASIC will arrive soon. Even if there is another delay Smiley

Okay, what kind of delay are you expecting? Point to the part of their timeline where the failure will be.

I dont know maybe a "insert various form of transistor here" buffer needs to be tweaked out?

PS: There is as always no HARD DATE! It is another one of their famous "we will deliver in a certain timeframe" update?

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January 14, 2013, 11:38:25 AM
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How many days can you do chargebacks on credit cards for ? If they push back most delivery times past that they can take the money and customers cant do a chargeback.

They're refunding anyone who asks...

...inb4 "herp derp they will stop". If they wanted to run with the money, they would have done it months ago. The longer you take pre orders and the more well known your company becomes, the harder it is to pull off a successful scam.

You are very much involved in this, I remember your account just popped up since a few days ago, yet you have created 200posts.
I never believed BFL would pay people to do puppet accounts, but you are a highly suspicious fella.
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January 14, 2013, 11:38:38 AM
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I guess BFL did software simulations of the ASIC design and founded on these results the design was chosen for production without prototyping. Also the specs are founded on the software simulations I guess.

It's possible that they had prototype chips in a different package, identified all the issues in them and rolled in the fixes with the package change.

ok, could be but then you have an iteration of the prototyping process with several different prototypes and at the end you will have one prototype without errors and you can use these chips for prototypes of your product and show this to the customers.  Wink
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January 14, 2013, 11:39:25 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?
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January 14, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
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... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.
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January 14, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
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BFL says non-refundable since, well 1st of January though.
Look it up asshamser.

What are you saying? Are you saying they won't refund after January first?

Now you are telling me that BFL might refund out of good will, regardless, aren't you?
Now isn't that nice.  Roll Eyes
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January 14, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
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... and they made fools of themselves by showing an empty box (instead of prototype) at CES 2013 Wink Do not be childish....

What does that have to do with anything? CES is packed full of shit that doesn't work yet.

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