[Archive] BFL trolling museum

[PuertoLibre]

all of a sudden 25% less chips.

LOL a moving target can be expected when someone really doesn't know when things will be done.

Next it will be that the mini rigs will be 0.9Th/s instead of 1.5TH/s and the power will be 50% higher than expected.

WHAT?!? BFL wrong about a specification estimate? ...surely you jest. Please cite 12 examples of something a BFL rep said that turned out to be inaccurate, then find 12 moar. I'll give you 90 seconds which should be more than enough time.

I can crunch 200 in 25 milliseconds.

Ask me about 12 truths, and I might need 25 days....

[smoothie]

That didn't take long: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-5.html#post10399

Another delay we've had to endure is the fact that we have effectively tied the ASIC teams payment to the success of the chip. If the chip were to be a failure they don't get paid... so they have incentive to get it right but that has made them very cautious and slow to approve final masks (This is why we can refund all pre-orders we want and why we have the capital to do what we need to do without a failure putting us in bankruptcy).

I'm pretty sure that's what creativex was eluding to.

Can't imagine them not getting paid at all before producing them.

Right good logic.

Take customer preorders and have them basically pay you to develop and ship this new device and at the same time tell the manufacturer/fab/engineer "fuck you you don't get paid until you finish it"

Right that makes a lot of sense.

Hypocritical much Josh?

Plus I don't think anyone would be that stupid to take on a job like that without getting a percentage of the total cost upfront before any work began.

[DutchBrat]

I interpreted that statement as the ASIC design team is payed on performance. If they never deliver a working ASIC then the engineers do not get paid.

The engineers obviously do not work at the fab, they 'only' design the ASIC for BFL, since they don't have the expertise in house

But someone has to pay for the maskset and I doubt it is the ASIC design team. So BFL does pay the price if the design team makes a mistake, sure they wont have to pay the engineers or pay them less, but BFL has to pay the fab and that is where the real costs are (although i do not presume ASIC design in itself is cheap).

Perhaps Josh can clarify his statement

[nathanrees19]

all of a sudden 25% less chips.

All of a sudden? They clarified weeks ago that 75k would easily cover all their pre orders.

[tvbcof]

I like the forum and it's operation, but it's not going to look very good if BFL turns out to be a complete scam given the thread name change and that still, a quarter after BFL were to have delivered, I continue to see bitcointalk.org pumping BFL through their (presumably) paid advertising.

Thought for the day.  Now I gotta go to work...though that has not stopped me from spending way to much time on the forum than is healthy over the last 1.5 years...

[gmaxwell]

I like the forum and it's operation, but it's not going to look very good if BFL turns out to be a complete scam given the thread name change and that still, a quarter after BFL were to have delivered, I continue to see bitcointalk.org pumping BFL through their (presumably) paid advertising.

Thought for the day.  Now I gotta go to work...though that has not stopped me from spending way to much time on the forum than is healthy over the last 1.5 years...

Note that I never said _who_ was trolling in this thread…

That its stuffed with trolling is indisputable and this remains true regardless of what BFL delivers when.

Adds on the forum are paid— sure. And have nothing to do with me: I don't see any of that revenue, I'm just an unpaid volunteer.

[organofcorti]

I appreciate the recent actions by the mods in excising chunks of thread that don't belong.

This thread is however a lost cause. Only a complete audit of every post will save it - but who on earth could muddle through this thread and make any sense of it?

[crazyates]

I appreciate the recent actions by the mods in excising chunks of thread that don't belong.

This thread is however a lost cause. Only a complete audit of every post will save it - but who on earth could muddle through this thread and make any sense of it?

I agree. Can we just lock this thread and start over?

[gmaxwell]

I left it open so people could get out their final retorts here instead of starting new threads... but fair enough. Locked.