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April 04, 2017, 07:50:08 AM
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It gets harder and harder as the market cap raises, but we are still at a point where bitcoin is small enough to be heavily manipulated.
the price will be more difficult to manipulate when bitcoin scattered in many countries to all corners of the world. so it will be increasingly difficult manipulator to manipulate demand and supply ?
That's why we should focus more on the increase of adoption or volume than the increase of value, with huge volume of holders it will lessen the power of the whales to manipulate the price. I believe the longer bitcoin exist, it will continue to increase its popularity as it is the foundation of the whole crypto currencies, and as a foundation it should be the most dominant and the strongest among others.

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April 04, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
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Doesn't matter if it's manipulated
It does. If people find out, they will lose confidence in Bitcoin. Even if people don't find out, a pump can't last forever, it will crash eventually.
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April 04, 2017, 08:40:38 AM
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Given the history and situation, any reason/news about bitcoin acceptance is causing hike in bitcoin price whether it is going to happen or not. Recently the hype built around ETF is good example. Right now prices are rising could be because of Japan is ready to recognize bitcoin and about to regulate the exchanges.
Big whales could be the one of reasons.
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April 04, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
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Price manipulation is can be done but same as impossible and possible if chain reaction happens so here, Bitcoin is depend in the supply and demand just like every currency so you can manipulate it when the large part of the total supply is in your hands and if you sell it the price of bitcoin will be dump and if you buy it again the price of the bitcoin will pump. And in chain reaction it's just like what happen in panic selling the bitcoin price will be dump because of that.
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April 04, 2017, 11:50:57 AM
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Given the history and situation, any reason/news about bitcoin acceptance is causing hike in bitcoin price whether it is going to happen or not. Recently the hype built around ETF is good example. Right now prices are rising could be because of Japan is ready to recognize bitcoin and about to regulate the exchanges.
Big whales could be the one of reasons.
Yes hypes can be consider as a manipulation fuel for other people because if they spread hype they can easily attracts investors that can pump the price and the whales will join the pumping party until it becomes a manipulation and the victims here are the innocent investors who believed to this kind of pump as a legit one.
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April 04, 2017, 12:27:41 PM
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We will never be able to compete with the big whales. In such operations, they invest millions of dollars. If you want to earn on the price of bitcoin then follow their actions and repeat. Then you will earn on their money.
but we will not know who it was big whales and what they will do, is it the price will rise or fall. if we could follow them course we will always be profit rirght?

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April 04, 2017, 12:48:31 PM
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Many algorithms and automatic programs strive to make money on the stock exchanges of the bitcoin because there is no financial analyst or gurus on this ,we have to admit, a very unusual currency. This activity takes place within a framework of unregulated, that can generate volatility, confusions and manipulations. This quantitative activity generates a lot of small transactions, robots trying to enjoy small differences of course.

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April 04, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
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Given the history and situation, any reason/news about bitcoin acceptance is causing hike in bitcoin price whether it is going to happen or not. Recently the hype built around ETF is good example. Right now prices are rising could be because of Japan is ready to recognize bitcoin and about to regulate the exchanges.
Big whales could be the one of reasons.

Or all could be just someone getting his stash filled up. There was no hype when ETF was around. I didn't see any "I'm buying bitcoins because ETF will get accepted." type of threads. If there was a hype built on that, the price should've decrease dramatically when the ETF disapproval was announced. But the price was just there, the same as before the announcement was made.

The hard fork drama made the price of bitcoin go down. I think it is not the drama alone that caused movement to the bitcoin price. But the dump itself. People always panic sell and panic buy. When the price is starting to go down, people are selling their coins even though they didn't plan to do so until they so the market movement. Same when the price is increasing.
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April 18, 2017, 08:41:03 AM
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It seems to me that now no one can manipulate the price of bitcoin. He became very popular. So even whales can not significantly affect the price of this cryptocurrency.
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April 18, 2017, 09:34:48 AM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.
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April 18, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.

The government will never gain power over bitcoin. This is a system that can not be controlled by any side. Bitcoin is free and decentralized. Nobody can manipulate the price
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April 18, 2017, 02:54:50 PM
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Definitly it is a yes .If we think even a small amounts of us when it is being joined together it is a big amount and to know that how many bitcointalk users ,managers of any site and investors are here .Well the problem is how can we make it . A big one people who has a large amount of bitcoins can actually shake the market and manipulate it .

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April 19, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
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Definitly it is a yes .If we think even a small amounts of us when it is being joined together it is a big amount and to know that how many bitcointalk users ,managers of any site and investors are here .Well the problem is how can we make it . A big one people who has a large amount of bitcoins can actually shake the market and manipulate it .

That's the problem. In this forum, people barely agree with each other. When the majority of the users here have the plan to manipulate the price, someone will probably ditch the idea and take advantage of the plan. If we are planning to dump the market, he's going to sell before we dump it so he can re-buy for a much lower price when the dump has been executed. The same thing when we're thinking about pumping the market.

I wouldn't participate in such activity for this very reason. Anyway, the power of us all combined together is just equals to one whale unless, of course, if there are big whales that's going to participate with us. Maybe we can be a whale in an altcoin market but I doubt it when it comes to the bitcoin market since the market cap is around 21 billion USD.

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April 19, 2017, 03:06:44 PM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.

If the government comes in to the situation, the price of bitcoin will even increase. The more coins that they buy, the more the price will increase. It becomes harder and harder for them to buy more bitcoins. That's the only way for the government to manipulate the bitcoin price other than spreading FUD about bitcoins. They have to accumulate bitcoins first before they can manipulate the price.

But who knows? Maybe the government has a huge part in the bitcoins of circulation. Maybe they bought the majority of bitcoins right from the start when it's still cheap so they can take down bitcoins at the right time.

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April 19, 2017, 03:15:56 PM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.

If the government comes in to the situation, the price of bitcoin will even increase. The more coins that they buy, the more the price will increase. It becomes harder and harder for them to buy more bitcoins. That's the only way for the government to manipulate the bitcoin price other than spreading FUD about bitcoins. They have to accumulate bitcoins first before they can manipulate the price.

But who knows? Maybe the government has a huge part in the bitcoins of circulation. Maybe they bought the majority of bitcoins right from the start when it's still cheap so they can take down bitcoins at the right time.

Its not impossible for them to buy thousands of bitcoin using the money of the people but I don't think the government will try to get involve unless they can collect taxes to exchanges and bitcoin businesses in the country. Japan I think had made it possible. Tracking users who don't want to be tracked is a big problem.

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April 19, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.

If the government comes in to the situation, the price of bitcoin will even increase. The more coins that they buy, the more the price will increase. It becomes harder and harder for them to buy more bitcoins. That's the only way for the government to manipulate the bitcoin price other than spreading FUD about bitcoins. They have to accumulate bitcoins first before they can manipulate the price.

But who knows? Maybe the government has a huge part in the bitcoins of circulation. Maybe they bought the majority of bitcoins right from the start when it's still cheap so they can take down bitcoins at the right time.

Its not impossible for them to buy thousands of bitcoin using the money of the people but I don't think the government will try to get involve unless they can collect taxes to exchanges and bitcoin businesses in the country. Japan I think had made it possible. Tracking users who don't want to be tracked is a big problem.

I agree with you. Perhaps some government officials have long bought thousands of bitcoins. They can affect the price of bitcoin. Simple people who have several coins do not have this opportunity
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April 19, 2017, 03:36:54 PM
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Possibly happen if the government joined to Bitcoin, also if they seems that Bitcoin will earn a lot, they can use them power to manipulate the Bitcoin live in the market. Because if the price in the market were high, government will gained them.

If the government comes in to the situation, the price of bitcoin will even increase. The more coins that they buy, the more the price will increase. It becomes harder and harder for them to buy more bitcoins. That's the only way for the government to manipulate the bitcoin price other than spreading FUD about bitcoins. They have to accumulate bitcoins first before they can manipulate the price

I don't think this is the only way

In fact, there are quite a few ways in which a government could affect Bitcoin prices (provided they ever wanted that in the first place). I don't think that the PBoC ordering Chinese exchanges to disable both Bitcoin withdrawals and deposits can be (mis)interpreted as FUD. It is a direct intervention using administrative leverage, any way you look at it. As an extreme measure, they could just outright ban Bitcoin or confiscate coins pretty much in the same way they did with Silk Road. And that will crash prices provided this government is influential enough (like that of the US or China)

But who knows? Maybe the government has a huge part in the bitcoins of circulation. Maybe they bought the majority of bitcoins right from the start when it's still cheap so they can take down bitcoins at the right time.

You could just as well claim that Satoshi himself is actually a government agency

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April 19, 2017, 04:53:32 PM
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Huh! $20B marketcap of bitcoin is like a normal weekly deals of some governments, right now they can put $5B and buy up to 3M bitcoins but as long as kinds of Wu/ Ver exist they don't need to lift a finger.
On the other hand when you think about it you'll see that the whole world's markets are being manipulated every day only as the amounts involved getting larger and larger the stakes will grow higher to succeed changing the odds in your favor.

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April 19, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
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I don't beleive in some theories presented here saying that governments are actualy contoling Bitcoin by buying large amount in th beginig with the aim to destroy Bitcoin. This is just another conspiracy theory. And Bitcoin is not that relevant to governments as some might think and they don't consider it as such big threath, they have biger issues. But it's true that recently governments are more interested in Bitcoin than before because they see their opportunity to have their peace of cake.

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April 19, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
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the price manipulation is hardly the biggest issue with bitcoin. manipulation will not stop regardless of mass adoption (in fact, it may increase as users increase).the biggest issue with it is real use cases that benefit the average consumer, of which there are none.

a lot of commodities are 'manipulated'. there are always big players who understand the market well, and you can bet your ass they'll use their strength to their advantage. don't fall into the overly conspiracist camp and just take in the world as it is. manipulation is just part of the market.
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