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March 11, 2017, 09:41:39 AM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude
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March 11, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
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We can do it but it is difficult,
But we will have to form a large group and then do so.
Moreover bitcointalk(this forum) I think ,
doesn't have so much capital to do so.
More over most of the bitcoins users are usually minor users.
I mean they have a very small amount of bitcoins present,
To favour their savings of the currency.
So I think let's keep the market going as it was and not thinking of doing so.
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March 11, 2017, 11:40:41 AM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

Completely agree, I'm sure that happens with bitcoin is natural because of demand and supply factors, and not due to the influence of the pump. It's hard to do the pump because the stock and demand bitcoin spread evenly (no one's monopoly).
That's what you think, but I believe there are people who can really make manipulation although not totally but they can make a great impact to the market in their favor. Look what happen to the price, it has fall back hard and I believe whales are one of those who are making it possible to make people panic, but in the end, they are still the one who are victorious as they can buy cheap bitcoins to add their total holdings.

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March 11, 2017, 03:36:23 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude

Adjusting the price of bitcoin is just as impossible as regulating the demand of millions of people. Therefore, I am sure that you can not manipulate the price of bitcoin.
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March 11, 2017, 04:03:54 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

I do not think that there are many people who hold a large number of bitcoins in order to manipulate the price. But this assumption can not be ignored.
The bitcoin price can't be manipulated, The chinese community not having an enough power to manipulate the bitcoin again. and i think the people with a lot of the bitcoin in their hand just give an impact to make the market will be panic and more newbies try to dump his coin. It will not make the bitcoin easy to get a manipulate by every parties.
Unlike other currencies bitcoin is not centralized and it is not controlled by anyone, the only ones who can change its situation is us the community and if we want to change the price all we have to do is either hold and the price will go up or dump it and the price will go down as simple as that.

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March 11, 2017, 06:44:39 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

I do not think that there are many people who hold a large number of bitcoins in order to manipulate the price. But this assumption can not be ignored.
The bitcoin price can't be manipulated, The chinese community not having an enough power to manipulate the bitcoin again. and i think the people with a lot of the bitcoin in their hand just give an impact to make the market will be panic and more newbies try to dump his coin. It will not make the bitcoin easy to get a manipulate by every parties.
Unlike other currencies bitcoin is not centralized and it is not controlled by anyone, the only ones who can change its situation is us the community and if we want to change the price all we have to do is either hold and the price will go up or dump it and the price will go down as simple as that.

But, after all, we, bitcoin holders can not act the same way. Someone buys, but someone sells. Agree with all we can not. So each of us can not influence the price of bitcoin
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March 12, 2017, 04:15:17 AM
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We can't manipulation the price due to manipulate the price of bitcoin require huge capital is much bigger than you want to manipulate the price of altcoin. let the price goes naturally.
This time, the hoarders is easy to influence prices because of pacification bitcoin bitcoin is not too good and not all existing bitcoin can be used because there is a case of someone losing a password. so there bitcoin that can not be used. but now, a great country like America and Russia tried to rival the dominance of china. so the deployment of bitcoin will be more evenly distributed, then the hoarders bitcoin will be increasingly difficult to affect the price of bitcoin.

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March 12, 2017, 05:07:11 AM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude
The manipulation of supply just can be done by the bitcoin exchange site , and look at the chinese exchange in the previous time too many the ghost volume in his circulation and after the PBOC had done the audit and all of the fake volume was disappearing. and it will need a lot of the effort to do that.



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March 12, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

I do not think that there are many people who hold a large number of bitcoins in order to manipulate the price. But this assumption can not be ignored.
The bitcoin price can't be manipulated, The chinese community not having an enough power to manipulate the bitcoin again. and i think the people with a lot of the bitcoin in their hand just give an impact to make the market will be panic and more newbies try to dump his coin. It will not make the bitcoin easy to get a manipulate by every parties.
Unlike other currencies bitcoin is not centralized and it is not controlled by anyone, the only ones who can change its situation is us the community and if we want to change the price all we have to do is either hold and the price will go up or dump it and the price will go down as simple as that.

That's partially incorrect. When he hold our bitcoins, we increase bitcoin's volatility. It's not necessarily that the price will go up. It will just require less money to pump the price of bitcoins. On the other hand, since that has increased bitcoin's volatility. It will also require less money to dump the price of bitcoins. The actual way to make the price of bitcoin to go up is to buy more bitcoins, not hold it.

Additionally, the effect of your action will depend on how many coins do you have. Supposed that I went all in and sold all of my 1BTC, that doesn't have an effect to the market at all although it has a huge effect on me since that's all I have.

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March 12, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
Even if you hold a huge pile of bitcoins then also manipulating is not that simple because you create a sell order or 10 bitcoins at cheap price means that an equivalent buy order would be filled and hence not changing the market.

Yes, if you own very very huge amounts like on thousands of bitcoins then you can surely alter the market and even make it swing both ways.
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March 12, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

I do not think that there are many people who hold a large number of bitcoins in order to manipulate the price. But this assumption can not be ignored.
And there are like 10 exchanges, where buy and sell orders combine over 1000 bitcoins and hence its not easy to change the price of bitcoins. There are certain whales whom I see on dice sites winning 10-20 bitcoins and they say that they changed it to fiat yet I never noticed a significant change in price, this itself means that the market cap is enormous and can't be manipulated easily.
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March 12, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude
The manipulation of supply just can be done by the bitcoin exchange site , and look at the chinese exchange in the previous time too many the ghost volume in his circulation and after the PBOC had done the audit and all of the fake volume was disappearing. and it will need a lot of the effort to do that.

yes i am agree with this and we see this is happen in chinese exchange although we don't know how much the real amount that they manipulated but we only know that they manipulation the volume. beside that, we don't know what is their purpose so they doing this and i think they will do again in someday after they have stable position from any of audit.

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March 12, 2017, 04:21:29 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude
The manipulation of supply just can be done by the bitcoin exchange site , and look at the chinese exchange in the previous time too many the ghost volume in his circulation and after the PBOC had done the audit and all of the fake volume was disappearing. and it will need a lot of the effort to do that.

yes i am agree with this and we see this is happen in chinese exchange although we don't know how much the real amount that they manipulated but we only know that they manipulation the volume. beside that, we don't know what is their purpose so they doing this and i think they will do again in someday after they have stable position from any of audit.

Unfortunately, I also think that China continues to manipulate the price of bitcoin. This is due to the fact that in China the largest holders of cryptocurrency
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March 12, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
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Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status
by regulating demand and supply that means you can manipulate the price of bitcoin. but this time because bitcoin users have very much of course to manipulate demand and supply has been very difficult dude
The manipulation of supply just can be done by the bitcoin exchange site , and look at the chinese exchange in the previous time too many the ghost volume in his circulation and after the PBOC had done the audit and all of the fake volume was disappearing. and it will need a lot of the effort to do that.

yes i am agree with this and we see this is happen in chinese exchange although we don't know how much the real amount that they manipulated but we only know that they manipulation the volume. beside that, we don't know what is their purpose so they doing this and i think they will do again in someday after they have stable position from any of audit.

Unfortunately, I also think that China continues to manipulate the price of bitcoin. This is due to the fact that in China the largest holders of cryptocurrency

Could be. That is why they are too scared that it will become uncontrollable. Their government is really wise in making fast decision. Telling their country it is banned in some parts then making a statement thru their media that they are starting to work for a new blockchain that they will use as their own. Kind of creepy but they really acted fast there.

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March 12, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
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Yes, we can definitely manipulate bitcoin's price if we do have large amount of $$$ to begin with and we know how to play and how to scare off little fishes in this great lake of opportunities. It was done successfully by Willy bot on the rise to ATH on Nov. 2013 and it might be the same thing that happened again on this current year's run.

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March 12, 2017, 06:19:39 PM
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I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

The price of Bitcoin was already manipulated and is manipulated right now as well.

Nothing new, there is really big spenders that wouldn't want to lose money within this Bitcoin thing so they make special clubs that only large Bitcoin holders could join and the pump or dump the price depending on the news or whatever they feel and the people and the news websites have to play catchup while the rich Bitcoiners are busy giggling counting the cash that they made.

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March 12, 2017, 06:26:16 PM
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I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

The price of Bitcoin was already manipulated and is manipulated right now as well.

Nothing new, there is really big spenders that wouldn't want to lose money within this Bitcoin thing so they make special clubs that only large Bitcoin holders could join and the pump or dump the price depending on the news or whatever they feel and the people and the news websites have to play catchup while the rich Bitcoiners are busy giggling counting the cash that they made.
I think you have a point that there are some a group of bing holders that they are pump and dump the price of bitcoin.. and they are making profit with this method .. because they are giving also signal..
There are some people are selling their service like giving signal i am always found those from other forum..  they are giving signal and sooner the price going to decrease.

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March 12, 2017, 06:29:27 PM
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I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

The price of Bitcoin was already manipulated and is manipulated right now as well.

Nothing new, there is really big spenders that wouldn't want to lose money within this Bitcoin thing so they make special clubs that only large Bitcoin holders could join and the pump or dump the price depending on the news or whatever they feel and the people and the news websites have to play catchup while the rich Bitcoiners are busy giggling counting the cash that they made.
Normal people, "we", can't really manipulate the price though unless we form huge collectives.  I think most people on the Bitcointalk forum are mature enough not to panic sell at every little piece of bad news so we keep the price pretty safe in that regard.

Once you have enough money you can manipulate the price of anything, but I would say in most cases altcoins are a much easier target than Bitcoin due to their lower market cap and often less experienced fanbase.
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March 12, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
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I know there are many big players who manipulate bitcoin price and make huge profits but can we the bitcointalk members also form a cartel and let bitcoin price never fall?is it possible that we manipulate price as I am sure most of bitcoin users visit this forum

The price of Bitcoin was already manipulated and is manipulated right now as well.

Nothing new, there is really big spenders that wouldn't want to lose money within this Bitcoin thing so they make special clubs that only large Bitcoin holders could join and the pump or dump the price depending on the news or whatever they feel and the people and the news websites have to play catchup while the rich Bitcoiners are busy giggling counting the cash that they made.
Normal people, "we", can't really manipulate the price though unless we form huge collectives.  I think most people on the Bitcointalk forum are mature enough not to panic sell at every little piece of bad news so we keep the price pretty safe in that regard.

Once you have enough money you can manipulate the price of anything, but I would say in most cases altcoins are a much easier target than Bitcoin due to their lower market cap and often less experienced fanbase.

Hence the conclusion is one - at the cost of bitcoin someone manipulates. And this "someone" holds a very large number of bitcoins.
Yes, it's not very comforting.
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March 12, 2017, 11:16:54 PM
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Yes, we can definitely manipulate bitcoin's price if we do have large amount of $$$ to begin with and we know how to play and how to scare off little fishes in this great lake of opportunities. It was done successfully by Willy bot on the rise to ATH on Nov. 2013 and it might be the same thing that happened again on this current year's run.
Yes, we can make the price of bitcoins go up and up only if we have large sum of money to invest in bitcoins. Actually a lot of guys do this way, they first get the price of bitcoins up by buying a big piece of it via market and then just selling them at higher price. So, manipulating the price is very simple just need big sum of money.
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