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February 21, 2017, 01:37:56 AM
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Only  china can manipulate with bitcoin.We cant I really dont understand how small amount of this forum users can manipulate with something big like bitcoin it is not possible because many users here are not interested in that.
but i think that now even china cannot manipulate the price of bitcoin. as the bitcoin users are now increasing throughout the world therefore it becoming more and more difficult to manipulate the price of bitcoin.
I have a strong feeling that some big exchanges do manipulate bitcoin price just like they do Altcoin price.
They have bulk of bitcoin to manipulate the price and even if they dont have, they can dictate the price as most people usually prefer to buy from them.
Big exchanges has nothing to do with the price increase, they just facilitate the trades and earn fees on it, that what they do. Only the whales has the capacity to manipulate the price to gain more profit by making a big dump which will lead to the weak hands to sell, that's re-occurring events and if you are smart enough, you know the trend and will buy cheap price as the next thing would happen is a price pump.

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February 21, 2017, 02:11:37 AM
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Wasn't investigation of Chinese exchanges: BTCC, Huobi and OKCoin, started to look into "possible market manipulation and unauthorized financing"?
I know that this is official statement from PBoC, but I am rather sure that exchanges, especially Chinese ones are somehow good at price manipulating.
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February 21, 2017, 02:27:28 AM
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The only thing I see about how we can manipulate Bitcoin price is to show more interest to it. Bitcoin became so sucessful and strong only cause of that and only that can provoke it's popularity to grow. Today Bitcoin started to appear more often on TV and professional economists are talking about it and governments are taking laws about bitcoin. All that awakes the interest from ordinary people and the interest makes the price to grow.

Yup, it's a pretty good way. But to manipulate as we want it to be difficult for us to do so, because it's very transparent bitcoin and it will make a person will be easy to know the original. So, to be able to benefit in the bitcoin it is better to continue to save bitcoin as much as possible and never think to be able to perform the manipulation of prices bitcoin. So, the best thing to do in the bitcoin absence for everyone. Bitcoin will not grow significantly if we are not able to give the correct information

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February 21, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
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You don't need to own some bitcoins to be able to manipulate the price honestly. With the right ressources and connections you can do it quite easily. Not only with Bitcoin but the same apply to Altcoins, it can be just more easy with Altcoins... As well with some events like for exemple the Greek crisis, sometimes you can see a patern corresponding with the price of bitcoin...

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February 21, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
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Only  china can manipulate with bitcoin.We cant I really dont understand how small amount of this forum users can manipulate with something big like bitcoin it is not possible because many users here are not interested in that.
but i think that now even china cannot manipulate the price of bitcoin. as the bitcoin users are now increasing throughout the world therefore it becoming more and more difficult to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Whales at bitcoin can and will manipulate anytime they wanna bitcoin, last year we had an example about those, early adopters has a word to say if they keep at bitcoin , since the most of them went rich with bitcoin, and others has changed their life. China has a huge number of holders as coin, besides the huge hash hosted at them, but the market need to support their pump or dump.
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February 21, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
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* Can we manipulate bitcoin price?
Yes, it is possible to manipulate bitcoin price. Not only bitcoin price but stock price, reality market, commodity price is also manipulative. Till now China was manipulating Bitcoin prices as there were no transaction charges and exchanges were manipulating volume.   If considerable number of people decides to manipulate then using few bots it is possible to achieve the task. start with smaller exchange/market. With that experience go ahead with big market.
 Manipulation was happening, is happening and will continue to happen in bitcoin market. Period.
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February 21, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
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It would be doable if we lived on a better world !but we dont !  Undecided for example how many scams are around making shitcoins or even worse scam other people, plenty right ? try to co-work with them, they will #$(@# you up in the first chance and whats next ? the drama ofc ! dramas has destroyed the most biggest crypto PnD groups in our crypto history.. with 5-10 huge pockets guys is doable but with a forum and the size of BCT ? i dont think its doable..

how is manipulating scamcoin related to manipulating bitcoin value? bitcoin will be harder and harder to manipulate if the value continue to increase, not because you need more money, but because a greater value mean that the distribution is better and there will be not few people with many coins that can manipulate the market

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February 21, 2017, 06:02:20 PM
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Wasn't investigation of Chinese exchanges: BTCC, Huobi and OKCoin, started to look into "possible market manipulation and unauthorized financing"?
I know that this is official statement from PBoC, but I am rather sure that exchanges, especially Chinese ones are somehow good at price manipulating

Right now there are serious doubts about that

We've been hearing that for years, namely, that the Chinese exchanges are manipulating prices as they like. The main reason for making such claims was that these exchanges didn't have trading fees. In January the PBoC launched an assault on the exchanges basically demanding them to introduce fees and limit margin trading. Prices went down but quickly rebounded. Then the PBoC forced these exchanges to disable Bitcoin deposits and withdrawals altogether (as well as deposits and withdrawals of other cryptocurrencies). The price went down somewhat but now it is going to break the highs set in December. So the question inevitably arises if the Chinese exchanges really have anything to do with the alleged price manipulation?

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February 21, 2017, 06:05:52 PM
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It would be doable if we lived on a better world !but we dont !  Undecided for example how many scams are around making shitcoins or even worse scam other people, plenty right ? try to co-work with them, they will #$(@# you up in the first chance and whats next ? the drama ofc ! dramas has destroyed the most biggest crypto PnD groups in our crypto history.. with 5-10 huge pockets guys is doable but with a forum and the size of BCT ? i dont think its doable..

how is manipulating scamcoin related to manipulating bitcoin value? bitcoin will be harder and harder to manipulate if the value continue to increase, not because you need more money, but because a greater value mean that the distribution is better and there will be not few people with many coins that can manipulate the market

I agree as more people  getting a hand on bitcoin and whales holding being distributed to other people during their attempt of manipulation, it is getting harder and harder to manipulat Bitcoin for the reason that it is getting expensive  to do such thing.  Aside from that, traders are somehow developed immunity to some tricks this whales had been doing.

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February 21, 2017, 09:54:28 PM
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China has a big part in manipulating the bitcoin price. They can drive the price to whatever they want.
I think they will drive the price to get the ath and go down in an instant.
China's impact on the bitcoin market is not so large, the Chinese government recently issued a policy to strictly control bitcoin, bitcoin prices have a little volatility, but little volatility. Chinese government again and again to suppress, bitcoin is still moving forward, I think China's policy can not manipulate bitcoin prices.
IMHO, the manipulation of price cannot be controlled by the government, what government is only after is the legitimate transaction to prevent money laundering, and we understand china has the most number of bitcoins therefore it's easy for them to manipulate the price in their favor.  That is my perception on the news I read in the community but that can be change as bitcoin continues to exist.

But they can influence it if they start creating laws that will have an effect on bitcoin. Like if countries start banning bitcoin, it will drastically drag the price down. Otherwise, if a country shows support to bitcoin, then it will push the price up.
The economic impact of such political decision will be short lived a t best, besides if a country decides to ban bitcoin, then it losses all the power of influencing bitcoin at all, those countries that choose to accept bitcoin will have more influence over bitcoin, because more business will move there to take advantage of the favorable environment.



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February 21, 2017, 11:55:35 PM
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you can, as long as you have many bitcoins, in this term while, then you can manipulate it, or you have many people to be the users of bitcoins then the demands will increase, so bitcoin price will increase too.

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February 22, 2017, 01:30:24 AM
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could be, when you have a number that many or more than 50% then all the things you can do include control bitcoin. I'm sure, that there are currently doing so.
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February 22, 2017, 01:43:28 AM
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People can manipulate the price by controlling the supply and demand, although it'll take a long stride to be able to handle the entire pricing. There are many people in life mining to do this, but for making it from investing online millions may be needed for aspiring gains.

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February 22, 2017, 02:09:10 AM
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People can manipulate the price by controlling the supply and demand, although it'll take a long stride to be able to handle the entire pricing. There are many people in life mining to do this, but for making it from investing online millions may be needed for aspiring gains.
Yes, when you can actually control the supply and demand then everything can you manipulation. but I'm not sure that anyone can manipulate the bitcoin, everything looks natural so that if there is a rise in demand due to it being up.
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February 22, 2017, 05:52:04 AM
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It's only possible if we together can accumulate an amount of Bitcoin equivalent to the Bitcoin market cap else the big boys and others whales with more bitcoins and mines will have more uncontrolled influence and Bitcoin price will keep fluctuating as and when they pump or dump.
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February 22, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
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We all know that to manipulate bitcoin nowadays its a question of milions thats why is the hardest currencie to be pumped and dumped at the crypto world, but this is happening with more frequency than usual, looks like whales and big holders does wanna extra money. And at this time the early investors are able to drop their bitcoins if havent made those on the last years, and get their investment back.
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February 22, 2017, 02:38:09 PM
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I believe that someone found a way to manipulate the Bitcoin. And that he has already revealed the way how to but nobody believes.
But why would you want to Manipulate something good like the Bitcoin. We should be happy that it exists Wink.
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February 22, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
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I believe that someone found a way to manipulate the Bitcoin. And that he has already revealed the way how to but nobody believes.
But why would you want to Manipulate something good like the Bitcoin. We should be happy that it exists Wink.

It has never been a secret and everyone knows it from the start. Only way to manipulate bitcoins is to have tons of money. You can pump the market by buying bitcoins. And you can decrease the price of bitcoin by selling tons of bitcoins. But that only increases/decreases the price of bitcoin momentarily.

The actual way that you can pump bitcoins in the long run is to talk to rich people and encourage them to invest in bitcoins. Bitcoins is a digital asset and investors are usually interested in this type of investment. Some people don't want to let their money sleep. Saving your money in the bank makes your money just sit there and never increase while in bitcoin, it'll increase as time pass by. You can tell that to interested investors or even to just an average joe as long as he's eager enough to learn bitcoins. You'd help in mass adoption, thus, increase the price of bitcoin. Maybe not right after you've recruited people but after a couple of years.

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February 22, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
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I believe that someone found a way to manipulate the Bitcoin. And that he has already revealed the way how to but nobody believes.
But why would you want to Manipulate something good like the Bitcoin. We should be happy that it exists Wink.

It has never been a secret and everyone knows it from the start. Only way to manipulate bitcoins is to have tons of money. You can pump the market by buying bitcoins. And you can decrease the price of bitcoin by selling tons of bitcoins. But that only increases/decreases the price of bitcoin momentarily

The actual way that you can pump bitcoins in the long run is to talk to rich people and encourage them to invest in bitcoins. Bitcoins is a digital asset and investors are usually interested in this type of investment. Some people don't want to let their money sleep. Saving your money in the bank makes your money just sit there and never increase while in bitcoin, it'll increase as time pass by. You can tell that to interested investors or even to just an average joe as long as he's eager enough to learn bitcoins. You'd help in mass adoption, thus, increase the price of bitcoin. Maybe not right after you've recruited people but after a couple of years.

In practice, you might get better results with less money and vice versa. Ultimately, you may pour a lot of cash into Bitcoin (and from Bitcoin), and still don't get the price change you might be looking for. In this way, it is not just the question of how much money you have. To put it differently, with relevant knowledge and experience you can get more with less. Regarding rich people, this has been discussed before, and the conclusion was that there exists a cut-off limit beyond which investing in Bitcoin wouldn't be worth the effort

In other words, Bitcoin is just too small for a Warren Buffett type of investor

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February 22, 2017, 07:48:18 PM
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I believe that someone found a way to manipulate the Bitcoin. And that he has already revealed the way how to but nobody believes.
But why would you want to Manipulate something good like the Bitcoin. We should be happy that it exists Wink.

We're happy about the fact that there Bitcoin. But we want to understand the mechanisms of the formation of prices for Bitcoin. This is in order to prevent prices falling Bitcoin
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