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May 02, 2016, 06:29:21 PM
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So Craig could allegedly sign a message but couldn't move any of the coins held by Satoshi Nakamoto because there is a trust now in control of them. This is very hard to believe in my honest opinion and looks like a half-assed excuse on his part. It's also very surprising how no other expert other than Gavin Andresen stepped forward to validate Craig Wright's claims of being the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Something about this 'revelation' is very off.
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May 02, 2016, 06:35:28 PM
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Just want to sum up a little:

- Craig Wright has not been hacked. He really says he is Satoshi Nakamoto (proof on video), but failed to prove it to the public. He even made simple coding errors on his blog.
- Gavin, Jon and the other guy were not hacked, but they REALLY believe Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, because he signed some message in an unsecured environment
- Gavins commit access has been removed by core team, because they assume he has been hacked (obv. because a core dev wouldn't make such statement without publishing solid cryptografic proof)
- Andreas Antonopoulos was invited to the "Satoshi Nakamoto Revelation Party" but declined to go.

Did I forget something important?



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May 02, 2016, 06:36:16 PM
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So Craig could allegedly sign a message but couldn't move any of the coins held by Satoshi Nakamoto because there is a trust now in control of them. This is very hard to believe in my honest opinion and looks like a half-assed excuse on his part. It's also very surprising how no other expert other than Gavin Andresen stepped forward to validate Craig Wright's claims of being the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Something about this 'revelation' is very off.

he has no private keys.. he just has some numpty holding a piece of paper of public keys.
this numpty formed a trust under the pretense that it was an asset collateral, which wright then used this dodgy trust to garnish $54million from government budgets.

they are now calling in the debt. so he fled the country and is now seeking sanctuary in the UK

this $54million rides purely on the foundation that he must prove he has the real collateral (bitcoins).. the only problem, he doesnt

what are you missing?.. well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hflr3/craig_wrights_signature_is_worthless/

here it is explained better

Find first transaction by Satoshi in 2009 :
https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?show_adv=true

Convert inputscript from hex:
3045022100c12a7d54972f26d14cb311339b5122f8c187417dde1e8efb6841f55c34220ae002206 6632c5cd4161efa3a2837764eee9eb84975dd54c2de2865e9752585c53e7cce

to base64
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=

(thats it, you done pretty much the only thing that craig done)

this is a 7 year old signature of the transaction encrypted using the private key for: 12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S 7 years ago
emphasis: the data is the transaction data(not a personal message).. that is 7 years old!! and publicly available

if he was to sign a message today! the signature, even when signed with the same private key would be completely different
emphasis: signing "my name is bob" would result in a different signature than "My Name Is Bob" even when both messages are signed with the same private key.

so if you see him display:
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=

he is not signing anything new. he is just literally copying and pasting a 7 year old message(tx) that was signed 7years ago

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Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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May 02, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
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Just want to sum up a little:

- Craig Wright has not been hacked. He really says he is Satoshi Nakamoto (proof on video), but failed to prove it to the public. He even made simple coding errors on his blog.
- Gavin, Jon and the other guy were not hacked, but they REALLY believe Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, because he signed some message in an unsecured environment
- Gavins commit access has been removed by core team, because they assume he has been hacked (obv. because a core dev wouldn't make such statement without publishing solid cryptografic proof)
- Andreas Antonopoulos was invited to the "Satoshi Nakamoto Revelation Party" but declined to go.

Did I forget something important?




Nope that's pretty much it so far.
Great summary.Thanks.
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May 02, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
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Just want to sum up a little:

- Craig Wright has not been hacked. He really says he is Satoshi Nakamoto (proof on video), but failed to prove it to the public. He even made simple coding errors on his blog.
- Gavin, Jon and the other guy were not hacked, but they REALLY believe Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, because he signed some message in an unsecured environment
- Gavins commit access has been removed by core team, because they assume he has been hacked (obv. because a core dev wouldn't make such statement without publishing solid cryptografic proof)
- Andreas Antonopoulos was invited to the "Satoshi Nakamoto Revelation Party" but declined to go.

Did I forget something important?



Nope that's essentially it, in the Trustless idea of Satoshi Nakamoto we are supposed to have blind trust in believing Craig Wright is SN and with no cryptographic proof.
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May 02, 2016, 06:41:45 PM
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See how Andreas M. Antonopoulos got contacted ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hj1xu/why_i_declined_to_verify_sns_identity_two_weeks/ ) :

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About two weeks ago I was contacted and asked to offer security advice for a project. I was asked to sign an NDA in order to discuss the project itself, something I am reluctant to do, in general. Once I received the NDA however, it became obvious that the project was related to verifying the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. I immediately declined the offer, declined to participate and declined to sign the NDA.
I'm sure many people will think I was wrong to decline the "opportunity" to verify SN's identity. From my perspective, the request for me to verify his/her/their identity is in itself an appeal to authority. It is replacing public cryptographic proof with endorsement by a third party. If SN wants to "prove" their identity, they don't need an "authority" to do so. They can do it in a public, open manner. To ask people in the space who have a reputation to stake that reputation and vouch for SN's identity raises many red flags in my mind.
I don't know if Craig Wright is SN. I don't care and I don't want to know.
As I have expressed many times in the past, I think the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto does not matter. More importantly I think it serves to distract from the fact that bitcoin is not controlled by anyone and is not a system of Appeal-to-Authority. Identifying the creator only serves to feed the appeal-to-authority crowd, as if SN is some kind of infallible prophet, or has any say over bitcoin's future.
Identity and authority are distractions from a system of mathematical proof that does not require trust. This is not a telenovela. Bitcoin is a neutral framework of trust that can bring financial empowerment to billions of people. It works because it doesn't depend on any authority. Not even Satoshi's.
Back to work.



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May 02, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
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The above is proof enough for me that Jon Matonis and Gavin Andresen are not to be trusted. They of all people should've been able to see through the ruse when first presented, let alone come forward and defend their actions causing serious financial harm to others having trust in their judgement.

It will be interesting to see how Jon and Gavin react now their "coup" has been exposed. Either way it doesn't look very good....


https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/727175513047879680
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May 02, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
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See how Andreas M. Antonopoulos got contacted ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hj1xu/why_i_declined_to_verify_sns_identity_two_weeks/ ) :

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About two weeks ago I was contacted and asked to offer security advice for a project. I was asked to sign an NDA in order to discuss the project itself, something I am reluctant to do, in general. Once I received the NDA however, it became obvious that the project was related to verifying the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. I immediately declined the offer, declined to participate and declined to sign the NDA.
I'm sure many people will think I was wrong to decline the "opportunity" to verify SN's identity. From my perspective, the request for me to verify his/her/their identity is in itself an appeal to authority. It is replacing public cryptographic proof with endorsement by a third party. If SN wants to "prove" their identity, they don't need an "authority" to do so. They can do it in a public, open manner. To ask people in the space who have a reputation to stake that reputation and vouch for SN's identity raises many red flags in my mind.
I don't know if Craig Wright is SN. I don't care and I don't want to know.
As I have expressed many times in the past, I think the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto does not matter. More importantly I think it serves to distract from the fact that bitcoin is not controlled by anyone and is not a system of Appeal-to-Authority. Identifying the creator only serves to feed the appeal-to-authority crowd, as if SN is some kind of infallible prophet, or has any say over bitcoin's future.
Identity and authority are distractions from a system of mathematical proof that does not require trust. This is not a telenovela. Bitcoin is a neutral framework of trust that can bring financial empowerment to billions of people. It works because it doesn't depend on any authority. Not even Satoshi's.
Back to work.




Andreas has always been a straight and honest person with ideals.
You have to give him credit for that not falling for greed and smear campaigns against others.
Now I'm convinced this is another social engineering attack against us.
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May 02, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
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Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto. 

Nothing to see here.  Move along.
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May 02, 2016, 06:58:20 PM
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Craig Wright is not Satoshi Nakamoto. 

Nothing to see here.  Move along.

/thread

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May 02, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
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Interesting tweet by Andreas Antonopoulos.

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/727175513047879680



https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hj1xu/why_i_declined_to_verify_sns_identity_two_weeks/

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About two weeks ago I was contacted and asked to offer security advice for a project. I was asked to sign an NDA in order to discuss the project itself, something I am reluctant to do, in general. Once I received the NDA however, it became obvious that the project was related to verifying the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. I immediately declined the offer, declined to participate and declined to sign the NDA.

I'm sure many people will think I was wrong to decline the "opportunity" to verify SN's identity. From my perspective, the request for me to verify his/her/their identity is in itself an appeal to authority. It is replacing public cryptographic proof with endorsement by a third party. If SN wants to "prove" their identity, they don't need an "authority" to do so. They can do it in a public, open manner. To ask people in the space who have a reputation to stake that reputation and vouch for SN's identity raises many red flags in my mind.

I don't know if Craig Wright is SN. I don't care and I don't want to know.

As I have expressed many times in the past, I think the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto does not matter. More importantly I think it serves to distract from the fact that bitcoin is not controlled by anyone and is not a system of Appeal-to-Authority. Identifying the creator only serves to feed the appeal-to-authority crowd, as if SN is some kind of infallible prophet, or has any say over bitcoin's future.

Identity and authority are distractions from a system of mathematical proof that does not require trust. This is not a telenovela. Bitcoin is a neutral framework of trust that can bring financial empowerment to billions of people. It works because it doesn't depend on any authority. Not even Satoshi's.

Back to work.

So, Gavin had no qualms with signing the NDA, eh?
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May 02, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
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That's because we're close fishing buds.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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May 02, 2016, 07:11:29 PM
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Guess it really wasn't him haha  Huh Huh

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May 02, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
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I don't know why people are assuming the worst of Gavin. Even if he's a smart guy, it isn't out of the question that he got tricked by a really smart con-man.

I think it's a lot less likely that Gavin would risk his reputation on something that obviously won't work like this.
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May 02, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
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I'll never trust Gavin Andresen's judgement again.

(I am a 1MB block supporter who thinks all users should be using Full-Node clients)
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May 02, 2016, 07:24:01 PM
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I don't know why people are assuming the worst of Gavin. Even if he's a smart guy, it isn't out of the question that he got tricked by a really smart con-man.

I think it's a lot less likely that Gavin would risk his reputation on something that obviously won't work like this.

The BBC published another story about the growing scepticism. Regarding the proof shown to Gavin, it quotes Gavin as saying:

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"It is impossible to prove something like that 100%."

Even he admits there's a slight chance he got tricked.

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May 02, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
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So simple....MOVE THE COINS.
/discussion

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May 02, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hj1xu/why_i_declined_to_verify_sns_identity_two_weeks/~

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[–]Alchemy333 [score hidden] 12 minutes ago
I suspect making Craig Wrigt SN is someone's feeble attempt to lay a copyright claim on Bitcoin. And only bankers are this low."


Check this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1453455.0
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May 02, 2016, 07:31:32 PM
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I am not Craig Wright.

Sure you aren't... can you prove it by not signing something with a key that's known to be Craig Wright's? Yeah... I thought so Craig! Grin
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May 02, 2016, 07:39:02 PM
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I don't know why people are assuming the worst of Gavin. Even if he's a smart guy, it isn't out of the question that he got tricked by a really smart con-man.

I think it's a lot less likely that Gavin would risk his reputation on something that obviously won't work like this.

In the position Gavin has, he can't be simply be fooled like that.
Losing his commit permission was a smart decision of the Bitcoin Team.

Also, good to see that people already found proof enough to just show that Craig is just an attention whore wanting some money to pay his taxes problems.

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