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can you see it? two spaces after a sentence already. not beetween two words. a habbit of both of them.


Well, difficulty is a real number, its not a referance number
I fully agree that we need a more "human interpretable" form of a difficulty stat, Telling someone that the difficulty is 7,673,000 and that its going to rise up around by 1-2million more Really doesnt mean much to them, its just confusing to hear that "a bitcoin is now 7673000x harder to get than it was when it was first released" it really doesnt tell us much.

Right thats approximately meaningless.  Now the original or minimal difficulty is 2^32 so 7,673,000 x 2^32 is approx 2^55.  How easy is that in comparison because 7,673,000 ~ 2^23.  (I guess I must've mistranslated it before 55 not 52 bits)

And when you see a bitcoin in hex (like with hashcash because that is what the coin is) you can visually *see* those 55 bits.  This is the latest hash from the block explorer:

http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000000e3d3268e05a9901759c1452590d0838a80aeb8abaea59f1e9f

and bingo I can count 0s (14 of them) multiply by 4 (bits per hex nibble) and I know that is a 56bit hashcash collision.  (You get lucky and an extra 1 bit half the time, 2 bits 1/2 time etc).

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Digging myself out of the newbie jail. But a real question - why is difficulty not expressed in bits?

With hashcash I always used eg 20bits.  I think bitcoin is currently at 52.  As bitcoin mining is hashcash mining plus an extension to allow fractional bits (rather than to find k 0 bits, to find a number < 2^k where can be fractional).  

But its hard to be 100% certain if I even correctly converted that because this page is unnecessarily complex for a very simple actual problem: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty

and bits are very easy to read.  If one looks at the hash output in hex just multiply the leading 0s by 4 (and the next nibble figure out if it is >7 = 4 bits, > 3 = 3 bits, > 1 = 2 bits and 1 = 1 bit (and obviously 0 would be another leading 0).  QED trivial, human comprehensible difficulty that can be handchecked.  That was part of the design aim for hashcash to simplify the computational, programming and human verification.

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additional block chains would each create their own flavor of coins, which would trade with bitcoins on exchanges? These chain-specific coins would be used to reward miners on those chains, and to purchase some kinds of rights or privileges within the domain of that chain?
Right, the exchange rate between domains and bitcoins would float.

A longer interval than 10 minutes would be appropriate for BitDNS.

So far in this discussion there's already a lot of housekeeping data required.  It will be much easier if you can freely use all the space you need without worrying about paying fees for expensive space in Bitcoin's chain.  Some transactions:

Changing the IP record.

Name change.  A domain object could entitle you to one domain, and you could change it at will to any name that isn't taken.  This would encourage users to free up names they don't want anymore.  Generated domains start out blank and the miner sells it to someone who changes it to what they want.  

Renewal.  Could be free, or maybe require consuming another domain object to renew.  In that case, domain objects (domaincoins?) could represent the right to own a domain for a year.  The spent fee goes to the miners in the next block fee.

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May 03, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
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[...]How many "days" does he need to prepare his next magic trick? [...]How gullible can anyone be?
In two weeks™.  Grin
Would you say that Craig Steven Wright is on a good track now?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.msg1207670#msg1207670

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May 03, 2016, 09:53:21 PM
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One does not simply become director of an LTD prior to the LTD's existence.

? Incorporation date was 11th October 2012, he was appointed 3 days after.

You are correct. The shell company was incorporated on October 11, 2012, by a Bryan Thornton: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-prod/docs/A5QhPITlnFAaWImiT7MnZ4v9jCVtfRuVtIspIGk_0eE/application-pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=ASIAIMJNUPUJXYVDPMOQ&Expires=1462312150&Signature=ZhuXqE3tHPjXifkv4nHqoRLu0GM%3D&x-amz-security-token=AQoDYXdzEEwa4AOfnklkeUTpk23GPy7FAriLFo113YfqjHR8i0VzRikL6MwtuYBWWqTuP4UJFuB2Vvb1e7wV4iFX4eQl%2BhVrukzdFQi%2FgUxtfv7DwbHiQl0MAFNK%2F97uSZko4aKxqeyA4%2BUu7LQtt6Rv9vAKw29uvxPwrn07Ab7MtpGR%2BblcJEoEU%2BxLG4B%2F1lQF0HKyKR6jUhEoGLqZ7tB%2Bg%2FpZdxF5QDPmailnIlabqOa0vLZGR2Nq8aoQuV9XJDrb7zYXUwSbTOCSKd4wMeyP3KHT%2B53gUcxPFtPIRyefn5OdsE9jVxwD5yNqIyMD4Hwp55CjJ2VFo5ITQXdqF2dG5xDS8wWnc7F5CZZG%2BETbe0VHquTTVZSyhpnGhkBYVNsAvPR3611IMLlSLiiuiSG9lTQ4bQJqq66%2BmwVNa9tXoYsu%2FSgqKM7tFCKTRnObaP3sfv%2B4m6ExpgFGvIObB2BVAce7t2T5uTP9VAQ%2BGnPqbqpnA0BZg%2FieGPz7yhR67CneT6ZmiPoC6hRNWmLexjb2WlpZf6OpyuS5WArWykZNGCPdJz5hzH6n2oz03CSAaD9VaJudt5soq7AtPntiWKA4ujZbvn5fEuCCCiL2A9P4%2BiBm%2B61SxBapKOwOzImZBdlaA2tQagEKsaUg39%2BjuQU%3D

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May 03, 2016, 09:55:38 PM
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Okay...At this point, I don't think that I would be able to accept a single transaction from a single early block as enough evidence because that doesn't rule out, albeit a very tiny, possibility that a private key was somehow brute forced by a couple super computers fully dedicated to the task.

I want to see a transaction from block #1 to block #9 and from block #9 back to block #1.   This would at least establish that more than one private key, known to be generated by Satoshi Nakamoto, is in play.  It would increase the weight of the evidence, and reduce the likelihood that the keys were somehow hacked into existence.

I like this standard of proof. It seems reasonable and raises the bar for would be bad actor-impersonators.
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May 03, 2016, 10:35:49 PM
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Fresh update.

Gavin's latest comment:

https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/03/the-cryptographically-provable-con-man/

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...So I mailed Gavin Andreson, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, “What the heck?”:

"What is going on here?
There’s clear unambiguous cryptographic evidence of fraud and you’re lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation could should or must remain private?"


He replied as follows, quoted with permission:

Yeah, what the heck?

I was as surprised by the ‘proof’ as anyone, and don’t yet know exactly what is going on.

It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.

And it was probably a mistake to even start to play the Find Satoshi game, but I DO feel grateful to Satoshi.

If I’m lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation should remain private, that is entirely accidental. OF COURSE he should just publish a signed message or (equivalently) move some btc through the key associated with an early block.

Feel free to quote or republish this email.

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Fresh update.

Gavin's latest comment:

https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/03/the-cryptographically-provable-con-man/

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...So I mailed Gavin Andreson, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, “What the heck?”:

"What is going on here?
There’s clear unambiguous cryptographic evidence of fraud and you’re lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation could should or must remain private?"


He replied as follows, quoted with permission:

Yeah, what the heck?

I was as surprised by the ‘proof’ as anyone, and don’t yet know exactly what is going on.

It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.

And it was probably a mistake to even start to play the Find Satoshi game, but I DO feel grateful to Satoshi.

If I’m lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation should remain private, that is entirely accidental. OF COURSE he should just publish a signed message or (equivalently) move some btc through the key associated with an early block.

Feel free to quote or republish this email.


How much time needs to pass before Gavin admits he was duped by a skilled conman, and that he should have stuck with what he understands: public, cryptographic proof.

And relatedly, how can we maximally humiliate the BBC and other media outlets for having such low journalistic standards?
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May 03, 2016, 10:52:42 PM
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Fresh update.

Gavin's latest comment:

https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/03/the-cryptographically-provable-con-man/

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...So I mailed Gavin Andreson, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, “What the heck?”:

"What is going on here?
There’s clear unambiguous cryptographic evidence of fraud and you’re lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation could should or must remain private?"


He replied as follows, quoted with permission:

Yeah, what the heck?

I was as surprised by the ‘proof’ as anyone, and don’t yet know exactly what is going on.

It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.

And it was probably a mistake to even start to play the Find Satoshi game, but I DO feel grateful to Satoshi.

If I’m lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation should remain private, that is entirely accidental. OF COURSE he should just publish a signed message or (equivalently) move some btc through the key associated with an early block.

Feel free to quote or republish this email.


How much time needs to pass before Gavin admits he was duped by a skilled conman, and that he should have stuck with what he understands: public, cryptographic proof.

And relatedly, how can we maximally humiliate the BBC and other media outlets for having such low journalistic standards?
Almost every newspaper has written about it, it also show upon the new, but now they media knows they are wrong, they still don't have updated the media so people will still believe it..pff..

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May 03, 2016, 10:57:01 PM
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A selection of CSW's websites dating back as far as 2009, most are registered between 2013-2016.

All but 3 have disappeared from the web (even cached pages)

2 cached pages and 1 page still up

craigswright.acm.org
CLUBZUHL.COM
bitc01n.net   
b1tc01n.co   
signiaenterprises.com   
b1tc01n.org   
tuliptrading.net   
ezas.biz   
ezas.co   
demorgan.co
RIDGES-ESTATE.COM
rcjbr.com
ang-pow.com
Hong-Bao.co
Integyrz.biz
information-defense.com
c01n.net
agrisci.net
coin-exch.com



hotwirepe.com  http://web.archive.org/web/20150212124604/http://hotwirepe.com/about_us.html

interconnectedresearch.com http://web.archive.org/web/20151122153216/http://www.interconnectedresearch.com


http://www.financialguidanceforeducators.com/  (Still up)

I also came across loads of (in my opinion fake)  news articles extolling the virtues of working with Dr. Craig and his companies.
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May 03, 2016, 11:02:13 PM
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bitc01n.net   
b1tc01n.co
b1tc01n.org   

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These look like typical phishing addresses... very suspicious!

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May 03, 2016, 11:15:31 PM
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I believe they are 'protecting' the real Satoshi and the they need time for him to do this verification so they can publish it.

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bitc01n.net  
b1tc01n.co
b1tc01n.org  

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These look like typical phishing addresses... very suspicious!

Could also be for vhost masking on IRC  Shocked    .... still do not believe this guy is anywhere near who Satoshi is or was.

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May 03, 2016, 11:34:09 PM
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can you see it? two spaces after a sentence already. not beetween two words. a habbit of both of them.


Well, difficulty is a real number, its not a referance number
I fully agree that we need a more "human interpretable" form of a difficulty stat, Telling someone that the difficulty is 7,673,000 and that its going to rise up around by 1-2million more Really doesnt mean much to them, its just confusing to hear that "a bitcoin is now 7673000x harder to get than it was when it was first released" it really doesnt tell us much.

Right thats approximately meaningless.  Now the original or minimal difficulty is 2^32 so 7,673,000 x 2^32 is approx 2^55.  How easy is that in comparison because 7,673,000 ~ 2^23.  (I guess I must've mistranslated it before 55 not 52 bits)

And when you see a bitcoin in hex (like with hashcash because that is what the coin is) you can visually *see* those 55 bits.  This is the latest hash from the block explorer:

http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000000e3d3268e05a9901759c1452590d0838a80aeb8abaea59f1e9f

and bingo I can count 0s (14 of them) multiply by 4 (bits per hex nibble) and I know that is a 56bit hashcash collision.  (You get lucky and an extra 1 bit half the time, 2 bits 1/2 time etc).

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Hi

Digging myself out of the newbie jail. But a real question - why is difficulty not expressed in bits?

With hashcash I always used eg 20bits.  I think bitcoin is currently at 52.  As bitcoin mining is hashcash mining plus an extension to allow fractional bits (rather than to find k 0 bits, to find a number < 2^k where can be fractional).  

But its hard to be 100% certain if I even correctly converted that because this page is unnecessarily complex for a very simple actual problem: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty

and bits are very easy to read.  If one looks at the hash output in hex just multiply the leading 0s by 4 (and the next nibble figure out if it is >7 = 4 bits, > 3 = 3 bits, > 1 = 2 bits and 1 = 1 bit (and obviously 0 would be another leading 0).  QED trivial, human comprehensible difficulty that can be handchecked.  That was part of the design aim for hashcash to simplify the computational, programming and human verification.

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additional block chains would each create their own flavor of coins, which would trade with bitcoins on exchanges? These chain-specific coins would be used to reward miners on those chains, and to purchase some kinds of rights or privileges within the domain of that chain?
Right, the exchange rate between domains and bitcoins would float.

A longer interval than 10 minutes would be appropriate for BitDNS.

So far in this discussion there's already a lot of housekeeping data required.  It will be much easier if you can freely use all the space you need without worrying about paying fees for expensive space in Bitcoin's chain.  Some transactions:

Changing the IP record.

Name change.  A domain object could entitle you to one domain, and you could change it at will to any name that isn't taken.  This would encourage users to free up names they don't want anymore.  Generated domains start out blank and the miner sells it to someone who changes it to what they want.  

Renewal.  Could be free, or maybe require consuming another domain object to renew.  In that case, domain objects (domaincoins?) could represent the right to own a domain for a year.  The spent fee goes to the miners in the next block fee.

Not to dis your assessment but there are other "punks" who utilize two spaces after a full stop. When I first started online at the end of the 90's, I thought it weird to see only one space since I was taught two spaces in high school typing during the late 70's, so I opted to use two spaces, but soon foregone the practice because I felt that one space looked prettier (yes, that word best describes my feelings then and now), where two spaces came across to me as (seriously, I can't explain it, but I know I wasn't fond of it any longer).
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Fresh update.

Gavin's latest comment:

https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/03/the-cryptographically-provable-con-man/

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...So I mailed Gavin Andreson, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, “What the heck?”:

"What is going on here?
There’s clear unambiguous cryptographic evidence of fraud and you’re lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation could should or must remain private?"


He replied as follows, quoted with permission:

Yeah, what the heck?

I was as surprised by the ‘proof’ as anyone, and don’t yet know exactly what is going on.

It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.

And it was probably a mistake to even start to play the Find Satoshi game, but I DO feel grateful to Satoshi.

If I’m lending credibility to the idea that a public key operation should remain private, that is entirely accidental. OF COURSE he should just publish a signed message or (equivalently) move some btc through the key associated with an early block.

Feel free to quote or republish this email.


CSW's blog posting proof was published prior (~8 hours) to the first day of the NYC conference that Gavin attended and had plenty of time while rubbing shoulders with peers to "get his mind right" prior to being on the panel to discuss this very issue consisting of taking questions from the audience as to why he remained steadfast to his conviction that SCW is indeed SN.
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I though he is japanese or somebody asian?? lols.So i see that is his alias.

It is just now that i realized he was austrailian. Nice
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A selection of CSW's websites dating back as far as 2009, most are registered between 2013-2016.

All but 3 have disappeared from the web (even cached pages)

2 cached pages and 1 page still up

craigswright.acm.org
CLUBZUHL.COM
bitc01n.net   
b1tc01n.co   
signiaenterprises.com   
b1tc01n.org   
tuliptrading.net   
ezas.biz   
ezas.co   
demorgan.co
RIDGES-ESTATE.COM
rcjbr.com
ang-pow.com
Hong-Bao.co
Integyrz.biz
information-defense.com
c01n.net
agrisci.net
coin-exch.com



hotwirepe.com  http://web.archive.org/web/20150212124604/http://hotwirepe.com/about_us.html

interconnectedresearch.com http://web.archive.org/web/20151122153216/http://www.interconnectedresearch.com


http://www.financialguidanceforeducators.com/  (Still up)

I also came across loads of (in my opinion fake)  news articles extolling the virtues of working with Dr. Craig and his companies.

You forgot one, the one CSW uses for his email address: https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=hotwirepe.com&prog_id=GoDaddy
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A selection of CSW's websites dating back as far as 2009, most are registered between 2013-2016.

All but 3 have disappeared from the web (even cached pages)

2 cached pages and 1 page still up

craigswright.acm.org
CLUBZUHL.COM
bitc01n.net   
b1tc01n.co   
signiaenterprises.com   
b1tc01n.org   
tuliptrading.net   
ezas.biz   
ezas.co   
demorgan.co
RIDGES-ESTATE.COM
rcjbr.com
ang-pow.com
Hong-Bao.co
Integyrz.biz
information-defense.com
c01n.net
agrisci.net
coin-exch.com



hotwirepe.com  http://web.archive.org/web/20150212124604/http://hotwirepe.com/about_us.html

interconnectedresearch.com http://web.archive.org/web/20151122153216/http://www.interconnectedresearch.com


http://www.financialguidanceforeducators.com/  (Still up)

I also came across loads of (in my opinion fake)  news articles extolling the virtues of working with Dr. Craig and his companies.

wow. busy guy.
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You forgot one, the one CSW uses for his email address: https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=hotwirepe.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

What email address?
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A selection of CSW's websites dating back as far as 2009, most are registered between 2013-2016.

All but 3 have disappeared from the web (even cached pages)

2 cached pages and 1 page still up

craigswright.acm.org
CLUBZUHL.COM
bitc01n.net   
b1tc01n.co   
signiaenterprises.com   
b1tc01n.org   
tuliptrading.net   
ezas.biz   
ezas.co   
demorgan.co
RIDGES-ESTATE.COM
rcjbr.com
ang-pow.com
Hong-Bao.co
Integyrz.biz
information-defense.com
c01n.net
agrisci.net
coin-exch.com



hotwirepe.com  http://web.archive.org/web/20150212124604/http://hotwirepe.com/about_us.html

interconnectedresearch.com http://web.archive.org/web/20151122153216/http://www.interconnectedresearch.com


http://www.financialguidanceforeducators.com/  (Still up)

I also came across loads of (in my opinion fake)  news articles extolling the virtues of working with Dr. Craig and his companies.

 ?! the financialguidanceforeducators is some guy in Ohio


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Okay...At this point, I don't think that I would be able to accept a single transaction from a single early block as enough evidence because that doesn't rule out, albeit a very tiny, possibility that a private key was somehow brute forced by a couple super computers fully dedicated to the task.

I want to see a transaction from block #1 to block #9 and from block #9 back to block #1.   This would at least establish that more than one private key, known to be generated by Satoshi Nakamoto, is in play.  It would increase the weight of the evidence, and reduce the likelihood that the keys were somehow hacked into existence.

I like this standard of proof. It seems reasonable and raises the bar for would be bad actor-impersonators.

To be sure, there's too much funny stuff going on in this space so a single transaction from an early block would no longer be sufficient validation in my mind.  It will require a compound transaction to add extra layer of validation to convince me now.  It's the only way to negate, in my mind, the negative credibility created by all the apparent "trickery"  that's been exposed to date.

Furthermore, the above would only prove to me that Wright holds the private keys to Satoshi's stake, not that he is, in fact, Satoshi.  That's where Gavin's assessment comes into play here.  If Wright proves he holds the keys && if others confirm that Wright is privy to information only contained within private communications between themselves and Satoshi Nakamoto, then maybe Wright might be justified in having the opportunity to turn down his Nobel Prize like his idol, Jean-Paul Sartre.
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