My second ZEC + XMR+ ETH thread builds info links thoughts and photos.

[xleejohnx]

hey phil when you had the 460 did you test on out on xmr to see the hash rates of it?

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[wlefever]

I built of those but it was a bit unstable. The weight of the psu and cards made it work but otherwise, seemed a bit fragile and I was afraid if I moved it around too much, it would fall apart. But they're definitely cheap and fun to build.

i paid a little more for the 1x2x36 pieces in the picture to get a more stability.
the first one i used was fragile but it was dirt cheap..
it was easy and fun to build.

I went with a build similar to this and it turned out pretty rigged.  Able to pick it up from any leg without feeling the slightest bit loose, but it is a bit heavy with everything in place. 

Will try and post a pic soon.

[philipma1957]

hey phil when you had the 460 did you test on out on xmr to see the hash rates of it?

No I was not mining XMR yet so no testing.

[HerbPean]

I'm trying to a find an ASRock H97 Anniversary LGA 1150 in Canada, if anyone has a source with a normal price.

Thanks

[citronick]

hey phil when you had the 460 did you test on out on xmr to see the hash rates of it?

No I was not mining XMR yet so no testing.

Using Claymore's XMR miner, it auto detects 1024 hash per GPU for my RX480.

My best performing card for XMR is the R9-290X at 1372 hash per card and R9-390 at 12xx hash per card.

[xleejohnx]

I'm trying to a find an ASRock H97 Anniversary LGA 1150 in Canada, if anyone has a source with a normal price.

Thanks

Those boards are hard to find. Try the biostar tb85

[GabryRox]

Phil or anyone else mining XMR using a g4500 or g4400 CPU... do you know (or can you easily find out) what hash rate you are getting for only XMR using only the CPU? 

Maybe I am missing something but would like to know at least a ballpark figure for those 2 CPUs so I can compare to the expected hash rates of an i7 5/6800X to see if it makes sense financially.  I'm starting to think it may be better to just try a 4 or 5 GPU rig for my first instead of pushing so hard for 6.  But, this would make it even more important to decide on the CPU, since at least the way I am thinking of it, the x800K CPU could at least come close to mining like an additional 470, for XMR only of course.

[GabryRox]

I'm trying to a find an ASRock H97 Anniversary LGA 1150 in Canada, if anyone has a source with a normal price.

Thanks

Those boards are hard to find. Try the biostar tb85

Currently available through NewEgg merchant OutletPC for... wait for it... $300!!! I know it's in high demand but geeze! Talk about price gouging!  Wonder how many fools they will get to bite on paying 5x MSRP for that Mobo lol.

[QuintLeo]

I guess my other question would be, if I am dedicated to building a rig capable of 5-6 GPUs, could that g4500 even handle that?  Do you have it running any of your 4-card rigs?

 ETH doesn't need a lot of CPU support - an older Sempron 145 SINGLE core was handling my 3x R9 290 rig with no issues (other than slightly slow DAG creation time, but no noticeable hashrate issues).
 Only reason I eventually put my X240 dual-core in that machine was that it didn't have a home any more - but that rig might get the Sempron back shortly so I can move the X240 into a machine I'm getting ready to build for F@H usage (which DOES require more CPU support).

 ANY semi-current multi-core CPU should handle a 6 card rig easily on ETH - and from what I've seen, XMR isn't noticeably different on needing CPU support, folks just put good CPUs in their XMR rigs for the significant added hashrate.

 Some of the current Skylake Intel multi-core CPUs should be able to generate some noticeable XMS hash, while being under-70 watt parts.

[xleejohnx]

I guess my other question would be, if I am dedicated to building a rig capable of 5-6 GPUs, could that g4500 even handle that?  Do you have it running any of your 4-card rigs?

 ETH doesn't need a lot of CPU support - an older Sempron 145 SINGLE core was handling my 3x R9 290 rig with no issues (other than slightly slow DAG creation time, but no noticeable hashrate issues).
 Only reason I eventually put my X240 dual-core in that machine was that it didn't have a home any more - but that rig might get the Sempron back shortly so I can move the X240 into a machine I'm getting ready to build for F@H usage (which DOES require more CPU support).

 ANY semi-current multi-core CPU should handle a 6 card rig easily on ETH - and from what I've seen, XMR isn't noticeably different on needing CPU support, folks just put good CPUs in their XMR rigs for the significant added hashrate.

 Some of the current Skylake Intel multi-core CPUs should be able to generate some noticeable XMS hash, while being under-70 watt parts.

this guy is correct it doesnt take much to run an eth miner cpu wise. so cheap isnt a bad thing if its going to be miner base only
im using a g3250 for 6 cards. runs like a champ

[philipma1957]

Phil or anyone else mining XMR using a g4500 or g4400 CPU... do you know (or can you easily find out) what hash rate you are getting for only XMR using only the CPU?  

Maybe I am missing something but would like to know at least a ballpark figure for those 2 CPUs so I can compare to the expected hash rates of an i7 5/6800X to see if it makes sense financially.  I'm starting to think it may be better to just try a 4 or 5 GPU rig for my first instead of pushing so hard for 6.  But, this would make it even more important to decide on the CPU, since at least the way I am thinking of it, the x800K CPU could at least come close to mining like an additional 470, for XMR only of course.

dude for  first build do the four card

mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138421&cm_re=biostar_z170-_-13-138-421-_-Product

cpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3Z96302&cm_re=g4400-_-19-117-625-_-Product

ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104673&cm_re=ddr4_ram_8gb-_-20-104-673-_-Product

m.2 ssd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211972&cm_re=m.2_ssd-_-20-211-972-_-Product

good plat psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA07236V1499&cm_re=850_watt_psu-_-17-182-352-_-Product


above gear is about 365 usd after rebates


you get a nice dense build.

just leave out cpu mining  think gpu mining.

after you get a build under your belt  then look at other options.

[citronick]

Hi Phil - I have a few more spare DDR3 RAMs - I can use this for the Biostar Z170 mobo?

Also, I see you select 1 x stick 8GB DDR4, better to use 2 x 4GB DDR4 to enable dual channel?

Thanks

[philipma1957]

Hi Phil - I have a few more spare DDR3 RAMs - I can use this for the Biostar Z170 mobo?

Also, I see you select 1 x stick 8GB DDR4, better to use 2 x 4GB DDR4 to enable dual channel?

Thanks

I do not think ddr3 works on the biostar mobo.

As for ram  1 8gb uses less power then 2 4gb

I have 1 board with 2 8gb  and it does not hash faster then the board with 1 8gb

But I have not really tested precisely  if 2 4gb would be better then 1 8gb.

My garage is hot It is 93 f so some of my power/watt numbers to mh get affected by that higher temp I would need to test one board and turn off all other gear so temps would be lower to be really accurate.

[DES_MX]

In this case, I also use one - two machines, in cases, to stand comfortably in the apartment without looking monstrous and heat up the space in winter.
My choice is Cooler Master Storm Trooper case (will allow for full 4 card setup or 3 card setup on a 7PCI-E board XL-ATX format or larger, with extra spacing between each card <-- my choice).
In this case I currently have a Titan X (Pascal) + 2x GTX1080 cards. If you want a good mobo for this try to find the Asrock Z77 WS (hard to get now) or any newere WS series with 7xPCIE. Use 1st, 4th and 7th slots). Titan mines when not gaming, and games when not mining, the remainder mines constantly.
Other setups though I use racks with risers.

Interesting thread, but all these setups are insanely inefficient IMHO. Expensive mobos which give you nothing extra for mining...

Here's a golden tip:

- Asrock H97 Anniversary, will run 6 cards easy, $70
- 8gb ram (2x4gb) ddr3 $50
- G1840 CPU Intel Celeron $40
- PSU of your choice to support your cards. I'm running 1KW Corsairs.
- Any 64gb SSD you can buy for $30
- Some risers, unpowered, cheapest 1x to 16x type, standard PCI-E no USB fancy stuff $10


Now use those risers and space your cards as maximum as you can, even thorse 150W cards run hot when sandwiched together.


You're done. Your hash will be higher due to extra spacing, your setup costs are minimum, you have easy access to all your cards due to open construction and plenty of spacing.

  Some Where in the first 44 page thread I explained  why I do 4 card and 2 card builds. Some in cases some on plywood as  I have  5 to 7 gamer friends I will sell rigs to.  I sold about 9 rigs back in the day when btc was mined with  pc's+gpus.
I will sell two card rigs to friends family maybe one or two here.  They will be sold as gamer/miner rigs.

    I also am able to scatter rigs around the house from Oct to April  and space heat my home. I also have 1 two card pc  in the Brooklyn Navy yard at my friends shop it mines 24/7/365 it is quiet and mines in a pc case.  The deal on that is 50 50 split on the coins it earns.



Below is why you build a six card rig  one spot for all the gear with no intention of selling pc's down the road.
Yeah a six card build with risers  on the asrock board is the cheapest way to go.  use the pentium  g 32?? cpu  

 you can do the mobo for 85 the cpu for 45 stick of ram for 40 a cheap ssd for 50 that is 220 and a 1000watt  psu on sale is 100-130 5 risers 50  so 400 for six

cards
use a piece of wood to mount the board and hang the cards from a shelf
add a box fan or 2  and you can have a  lot of gear in one spot

[Raja_MBZ]

What are you mining at the moment, Monero or Ethereum? I've three RX 480 and I'm interested in knowing that which one is better to mine right now with it, monero or ethereum. Currently I'm mining ETH with 75Mh/s, but with the power of 600 Watts of the whole system, while the GPU-Z is showing overall 300 Watts for the three graphics cards. Maybe that's because I'm using a branded machine (Dell Precision T7500), it's a way too heavy machine.

[philipma1957]

What are you mining at the moment, Monero or Ethereum? I've three RX 480 and I'm interested in knowing that which one is better to mine right now with it, monero or ethereum. Currently I'm mining ETH with 75Mh/s, but with the power of 600 Watts of the whole system, while the GPU-Z is showing overall 300 Watts for the three graphics cards. Maybe that's because I'm using a branded machine (Dell Precision T7500), it's a way too heavy machine.

A three card rx 480 setup should read about 480 watts at the wall on a k-watt meter.

Your pc could have a low efficiency psu .

I have two four card rig with rx 480s

One does 590-610 watts for about 100mh
The other does 620-630 watts for about 100mh

They have same cards but two different psus one is a gold and it uses about 20 extra watts then the psu using a plat psu.

You may have a bronze psu in that dell you would be using 40 or 50 watts more then a plat would.

With one machine you could flip a coin to see if you should mine eth or xmr.

Or just stick with eth. And buy a few xmr with some of the eth you mine.

Say you have 5 eth from mining buy one xmr hold one eth. Sell three eth for btc or for cash.

To me I straddle risk I have cash btc eth xmr
More in cash then btc then xmr then eth

[xleejohnx]

What are you mining at the moment, Monero or Ethereum? I've three RX 480 and I'm interested in knowing that which one is better to mine right now with it, monero or ethereum. Currently I'm mining ETH with 75Mh/s, but with the power of 600 Watts of the whole system, while the GPU-Z is showing overall 300 Watts for the three graphics cards. Maybe that's because I'm using a branded machine (Dell Precision T7500), it's a way too heavy machine.

A three card rx 480 setup should read about 480 watts at the wall on a k-watt meter.

Your pc could have a low efficiency psu .

I have two four card rig with rx 480s

One does 590-610 watts for about 100mh
The other does 620-630 watts for about 100mh

They have same cards but two different psus one is a gold and it uses about 20 extra watts then the psu using a plat psu.

You may have a bronze psu in that dell you would be using 40 or 50 watts more then a plat would.

With one machine you could flip a coin to see if you should mine eth or xmr.

Or just stick with eth. And buy a few xmr with some of the eth you mine.

Say you have 5 eth from mining buy one xmr hold one eth. Sell three eth for btc or for cash.

To me I straddle risk I have cash btc eth xmr
More in cash then btc then xmr then eth

I'm running 6 cards on 1k plat psu and I'm not sure if it's the new watt meter or what
But these 6 cards are running over 1k. It's odd to me. Everything is stock nothing special


Edit: after I wrote this it dawned on me. Powered risers

[GabryRox]

Thanks Phil for the build suggestions... especially that PSU, which is the same wattage (850) and same price as the EVGA Gold I was looking at, so more effecient at the same price is always a good thing. I may even consider moving up to the 1000W as it is only $10 more.

Still not 100% decided on the CPU, mainly because I might be able to get a hold of a i7 6700k or 6800k from a colleague for free... but, either way I can at least move forward with my Mobo purchase as both of those and the G4400 you recommend are LGA-1151.

I was temped by the Mobo you listed but hesitated because I still am considering trying to at least have the capability of going to 5 GPU's in this rig. And, when I went back and checked today, it's up to $165, so currently out of the running.

I did find this though and was wondering if anyone has used it successfully, especially for 5-card builds:
ASRock H170 Pro4:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157639

It is listed in several places as being able to support 5 GPU's, of course 3 would have to be with risers but at least I could do my initial 2-GPU build with both right on the board and not have to mess with risers for a bit anyway.

The downside is that of course, it is out of stock at NewEgg ($90). Amazon has it but it's $20 more. Still, it people have used this with success, I will probably just pay the extra $20 so I can get up and running.

On the topic of risers... assuming the USB3.0 powered variety are the way to go, could anyone recommend some good ones and also advise as to their power draw?

Thanks again!

[philipma1957]

Thanks Phil for the build suggestions... especially that PSU, which is the same wattage (850) and same price as the EVGA Gold I was looking at, so more effecient at the same price is always a good thing. I may even consider moving up to the 1000W as it is only $10 more.

Still not 100% decided on the CPU, mainly because I might be able to get a hold of a i7 6700k or 6800k from a colleague for free... but, either way I can at least move forward with my Mobo purchase as both of those and the G4400 you recommend are LGA-1151.

I was temped by the Mobo you listed but hesitated because I still am considering trying to at least have the capability of going to 5 GPU's in this rig. And, when I went back and checked today, it's up to $165, so currently out of the running.

I did find this though and was wondering if anyone has used it successfully, especially for 5-card builds:
ASRock H170 Pro4:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157639

It is listed in several places as being able to support 5 GPU's, of course 3 would have to be with risers but at least I could do my initial 2-GPU build with both right on the board and not have to mess with risers for a bit anyway.

The downside is that of course, it is out of stock at NewEgg ($90). Amazon has it but it's $20 more. Still, it people have used this with success, I will probably just pay the extra $20 so I can get up and running.

On the topic of risers... assuming the USB3.0 powered variety are the way to go, could anyone recommend some good ones and also advise as to their power draw?

Thanks again!

Yeah it is a decent psu.
Free CPU makes somewhat of a difference but I think that CPU the i7 6800k is a 2011 mobo

Also the i7 6700k is the only Intel CPU out of 100 plus in the last 20 year I killed.

As a geek I would take the i7 6800k and find a bad ass 2011 board .

Basically the free i7 6800k would be irresistible to me.

I have not had a really high quality CPU since I did a huge thread on macrumors on how to soup up the 2010 quad core Mac Pro to a six core.  Basically 600 dollar mod that increased you 2000 in price on the Mac Pro.

[QuintLeo]

Windows 10, eventually planning on switching these 2 to Ubuntu; but I want to wait until Eliovp is done improving his rom.  He should release his 33 lp rom soon.

this is noob question but how do I make Claymore miner execute automatically upon Ubuntu bootup?

 Install XFCE in place of that Trinity nightmare Ubuntu used to use by default (or run XUbuntu which is pretty much the same concept), then set up your startup file in the "startup settings" menu.
 I remember reading that Ubuntu either moved to a different desktop manager in 16.04, or were going to do so in 16.10, but don't remember which offhand.

 I never found a way to auto-startup ANYTHING under Trinity that had to have X running before the program itself started.


 Seasonic X850 is usually about the same price as the EVGA Supernova 850 - I've got several of my rigs running those PS.

 I have no idea who Rosewill has building their power supplies, and I tend to stick with manufacturers I've had few issues with (which comes down to Seasonic, *1* dead PS at less than 10 years usage in almost 20 years out of probably 35-40 of them by now, EVGA has a good rep on their Supersonic series but my experience with those is limited so far, and Silverstone had good luck with for a long time on about 20 used but have had issues with a couple of their recent PS).