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September 02, 2016, 03:20:01 AM
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There is no continued rise, the dump will happen. At this moment we are all playing roulette on when it will all come down. The thing that is keeping the price up is the hype around DNM adoption.

Come Sept 1, when DNM Oasis and AlphaBay both starting using XMR... if for some reason we low volume or lower than expected usage I can see the price come tumbling down. But from now to Sept 1st everyone is riding the hype train and it is much harder to manipulate the price down. 


So... Any news on this? Are volumes holding up, are people actually using this thing?

Out of all listings on Alphabay, which add up to 46878 at the time of this post, 2561 accept Monero already. This is roughly 5.5%.
Vendors are conducting 'experiments' by accepting Monero only on few of their listings, to see if there is any interest. We should see rapid adoption when (and if) people start using XMR to buy stuff.

It is funny because I am thinking which Monero holders will now buy drugs on Alphabay. Cheesy The best move for the Monero team right now is to set up more infrastructure to buy XMR easier for those people who are interested. It would be better for more shapeshift type of service where the buyer can be anonymous. So maybe a service like localbitcoins for the darknet is a good idea.

I noticed that the localmonero.com domain was available until less than 2 weeks ago, so maybe something will come of it?

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September 02, 2016, 05:01:07 AM
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It is funny because I am thinking which Monero holders will now buy drugs on Alphabay. Cheesy The best move for the Monero team right now is to set up more infrastructure to buy XMR easier for those people who are interested. It would be better for more shapeshift type of service where the buyer can be anonymous. So maybe a service like localbitcoins for the darknet is a good idea.

As a longtime XMR holder, I can tell you this was never about drugs or DNM's, it was about true digital cash/fungibility without repercussions.

Thanks.

BTW. I am trying,see my sig!?  

I agree, most that have been here years were for loftier goals.

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September 02, 2016, 05:04:45 AM
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There is no continued rise, the dump will happen. At this moment we are all playing roulette on when it will all come down. The thing that is keeping the price up is the hype around DNM adoption.

Come Sept 1, when DNM Oasis and AlphaBay both starting using XMR... if for some reason we low volume or lower than expected usage I can see the price come tumbling down. But from now to Sept 1st everyone is riding the hype train and it is much harder to manipulate the price down. 


So... Any news on this? Are volumes holding up, are people actually using this thing?

Out of all listings on Alphabay, which add up to 46878 at the time of this post, 2561 accept Monero already. This is roughly 5.5%.
Vendors are conducting 'experiments' by accepting Monero only on few of their listings, to see if there is any interest. We should see rapid adoption when (and if) people start using XMR to buy stuff.

It is funny because I am thinking which Monero holders will now buy drugs on Alphabay. Cheesy The best move for the Monero team right now is to set up more infrastructure to buy XMR easier for those people who are interested. It would be better for more shapeshift type of service where the buyer can be anonymous. So maybe a service like localbitcoins for the darknet is a good idea.

I noticed that the localmonero.com domain was available until less than 2 weeks ago, so maybe something will come of it?


In the meantime, can't video game tokens/assets be sold on ebay?  The rules allow for this, don't they?

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September 04, 2016, 12:23:09 AM
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Looks like this is a clear buy for the rest of this year. Holy shit. What happens today I smoked too much last night and slept all day.  THIS RISE IS CRAZY!~ IT KEEPS RISING. Mind is exploded when I woke up guys. This could be great! ...maybe $20 USD is possible this year? - too bad here russia we have no good access to large BTC it seems. My banks are no good
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September 04, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
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Looks like this is a clear buy for the rest of this year. Holy shit. What happens today I smoked too much last night and slept all day.  THIS RISE IS CRAZY!~ IT KEEPS RISING. Mind is exploded when I woke up guys. This could be great! ...maybe $20 USD is possible this year? - too bad here russia we have no good access to large BTC it seems. My banks are no good

Did you wake up 2 days later... The price was way highee yesterday lol




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September 04, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
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Looks like this is a clear buy for the rest of this year. Holy shit. What happens today I smoked too much last night and slept all day.  THIS RISE IS CRAZY!~ IT KEEPS RISING. Mind is exploded when I woke up guys. This could be great! ...maybe $20 USD is possible this year? - too bad here russia we have no good access to large BTC it seems. My banks are no good

Did you wake up 2 days later... The price was way highee yesterday lol

I was just thinking this, time warp maybe? Huh

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September 04, 2016, 05:53:26 PM
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Looks like this is a clear buy for the rest of this year. Holy shit. What happens today I smoked too much last night and slept all day.  THIS RISE IS CRAZY!~ IT KEEPS RISING. Mind is exploded when I woke up guys. This could be great! ...maybe $20 USD is possible this year? - too bad here russia we have no good access to large BTC it seems. My banks are no good

The Monero price has dropped some what in the last two days. That could be a time for the consolidation of price.

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September 04, 2016, 06:12:27 PM
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September 04, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
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Thank you for jesus give Russia more chance to make XMR cheap! - we also create donation for all here!

Are you still living two days ago? What is the XMR price right now where you live? lol.

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September 04, 2016, 07:28:23 PM
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Thank you for jesus give Russia more chance to make XMR cheap! - we also create donation for all here!

Are you still living two days ago? What is the XMR price right now where you live? lol.

He is anticipating the future price.

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September 04, 2016, 07:32:11 PM
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XMR will see 0.035 in 2016 at the least.

5,000,000 - 10,000,000 SATOSHI  2016

This is my official prediction for the year.
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September 04, 2016, 10:32:04 PM
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Looks like this is a clear buy for the rest of this year. Holy shit. What happens today I smoked too much last night and slept all day.  THIS RISE IS CRAZY!~ IT KEEPS RISING. Mind is exploded when I woke up guys. This could be great! ...maybe $20 USD is possible this year? - too bad here russia we have no good access to large BTC it seems. My banks are no good

Did you wake up 2 days later... The price was way highee yesterday lol

I was just thinking this, time warp maybe? Huh

I bet is Russian vodka. Easily happen to miss a day.
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September 05, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
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XMR will see 0.035 in 2016 at the least.

5,000,000 - 10,000,000 SATOSHI  2016

This is my official prediction for the year.
I like it, so in that way it will end up more valuable than ETH in terms of price by the end of the year? I think I need to just ride with, in fact monero has been silent for a long time and I think it will continue to pump until it reaches to the moon. I even wanna see bigger than your speculation, even 0.05 is possible.

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What is the sense on here for what happens to Monero price when Z-cash launches? How much of this boom is a pump to get into Z-cash, and how much is real and fundamentally driven?

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September 05, 2016, 09:18:09 AM
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What is the sense on here for what happens to Monero price when Z-cash launches? How much of this boom is a pump to get into Z-cash, and how much is real and fundamentally driven?

If Z-cash is used, then it has a fundamental value. Z-cash has some identity issues to deal with via the corporate seal of approval (is it the ripple of anonymous coins?) but like ripple, it probably will have some initial success, and if it can prove that it offers legitimate improvements for privacy it will get real-use--the issue of coin supply will always overhang it (I imagine), but it doesn't need to be a value store for most users.

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What is the sense on here for what happens to Monero price when Z-cash launches? How much of this boom is a pump to get into Z-cash, and how much is real and fundamentally driven?

If Z-cash is used, then it has a fundamental value. Z-cash has some identity issues to deal with via the corporate seal of approval (is it the ripple of anonymous coins?) but like ripple, it probably will have some initial success, and if it can prove that it offers legitimate improvements for privacy it will get real-use--the issue of coin supply will always overhang it (I imagine), but it doesn't need to be a value store for most users.

It is almost logically impossible to prove the destruction of the secret seed.  And if it is destroyed, then it is infeasible to verify its entropy.  It's a magic number, and as such can be chosen to create vulnerability.

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For me I am glad to see Roger Ver here (MemoryDealers). He is example of someone who had to learn a new language when he moved to Japan and worked hard to teach people about something new (Bitcoin). It would be good to get insight on what he thinks Esperanto could do for business ties and relationships in general. -good posting OP!  We in Russia have good Esperanto community ! All here are welcome to stay with us.


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Is there any chance that xmr can take the number one spot.
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It is almost logically impossible to prove the destruction of the secret seed.  And if it is destroyed, then it is infeasible to verify its entropy.  It's a magic number, and as such can be chosen to create vulnerability.

The way they propose to do it, I fully agree with you.  However, I think the issue is not entirely hopeless.  There are a few conditions, and I don't know if they can be satisfied, but if:

1) the pool of key generators should be large - say at least a 1000 members, in such a way *that everybody who wants, can participate*.

2) the entropy of the total key will be at least the entropy of each individual contributing key

3) each participant can see many other participants (maybe not all, but many of them), and each participant can check that his contribution is part of the final result

then I think the trusted setup can work.

For instance, suppose that one uses a known communication channel - say bitcointalk.org - where people can sign up and POST their contribution (the public key contribution, not their to be destroyed private key of course).  YOU CAN TOO.

When, after sufficient time, the number of needed participants is reached (can this be variable or is this fixed from the start ?), the final keys are publicly calculated from the posted ones.  You can do that too, including your own key of course.  We should all agree upon the resulting keys, and we can all verify that all key shards have been included, including our own.

Now in as much as we know of ourselves that we destroyed (or at least kept secret :-) ) our secret key, we know that nobody has the golden key.  And in as much as we DO collude with all the others to make a golden key, then we also know that at least a thousand people, including ourselves, are aware of this and we can make this public at any moment (and prove it: by publishing the golden key, we definitely kill the trusted setup ; we would be crazy not to obtain the golden key in return for our own shard of secret key).

It will be difficult to keep such a secret with 1000 people, and at least EACH of these 1000 people know, and know that the 999 others know.

The point is: *if* anybody has the OPPORTUNITY to be part of the trusted setup, and if the number of people involved is huge, then I think one can trust the trusted setup.  But 18 "celebrities", no thank you.
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September 06, 2016, 02:54:11 PM
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Is there any chance that xmr can take the number one spot.

Yes.  But if it does, it will probably take 5-8 years to do so, and might take a lot longer.

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