[irregularities] Mass Network

[rubiprojects]

Donate your masscoins to me if you dont believe masscoin is real and still working on it..if i didnt recieve masscoins meaning you believe that masscoin is our future to earn a lot of money via advertising.
Send to my Masscoin address to those who didnt  believe their projects and their roadmaps.
18rV9euStqKYF2PnZH586BeJcFwZeNjUdK

So genegene , after all those accusations you still believe this is a legit project ? In case you are , id like to sell you my coins ( i believe that you will find many more sellers ) .

They are hopeless, just sell your coins to him, otherwise you can hard sell it on the exchanges, exchanges do not accept this scam coin. Sorry.

[Prolen]

The top investors of this project (coinholders) should form a group to contact the CEO of mycelium.  I can help form this group of elite investors.  Contact me.

I am also (unfortunately) an investor. Sent you PM.

pianist, thank you for writing here. At least now we know something solid.

[Tribute]

The swishcoin project has an almost identical setup as mass.

Their new "project":

http://www.knowledger.consulting/

We need to create a scam thread on scam sections about Mass Token,It's been a long time we should not let this people get away just like this,no wonder there were no updates,their thread and roadmap are good that you will have second thought plus their mass plugin was set up,this is a well planned scam ..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799232.msg17930452#msg17930452

[Jenny Moll]

我同Mally通了话，他说他只是一个英语文档，并没有参与项目本身，筹多少比特币都不知道，只是因为没领到工资才离开MASS.

[memalley]

I just heard about this thanks to a Chinese wechat user who added me to ask what was going on after seeing my LinkedIn profile thanks to the slanderous post, implicating me as a "professional scammer", from tokyopotato. His wanton accusation of me are as incorrect as they are inflammatory. It is obvious from his post who he really meant to target.

Now for my relationship with mass.

I stopped working for Alexander Kuzmin and Mycelium in November of 2016 and have had zero communication since then.

I was Product Manager of another Mycelium team. I later quit Mycelium because our offices were moved to Moscow...I was asked to relocate, said no thanks, and quit.  

In August or Sept of 2016, Kuzmin asked me to help edit the website for MASS since I was the only native ENG speaker at his disposal at the time. I did that and only that. At no point was equity or profit sharing EVER discussed with me. I acted under orders from my boss at the time to edit some copy for the site and blog and setup some social media accounts. that is all. He asked to put my pic and name on the website and said I should have a title since I was technically "part of the team"... Seemed like free publicity for me, why not? That was my only mistake in this issue. For that I am sorry.

I do not stand to gain anything from the MASS ICO and never did...
I am not a scammer, never have been and never will be.

I have made MANY MANY requests to have my name removed from the site... to no avail. Kuzmin has ignored my requests.

Since I found out about this issue, which I have not paid attention to since leaving, I have since deleted MASS from my LinkedIn, since you all seem to think it is a scam and I do not want to be associated with it if it is.

But let me be clear: I do not stand to profit IN ANY WAY FROM MASS or its ICO... Please contact Mr. Kuzmin

I have ZERO relations with Mycelium or Mr. Kuzmin or MASS since November 2016. However, their "pm,community manager, accountant" contacted me in Jan of this year. Maybe he can answer your questions.

http://imgur.com/a/soYDb
Never heard from him again.


I am sorry for anyone who feels they have been harmed but I am not able to help you. I wish that I could. All I did was edit and write some copy for the website and various social media.

I hope this helps clear up my relationship with Kuzmin and Mass. I hope tokyopotato can remove the slanderous post about me and my current employer, thank you.

edited: for clarification and brevity

https://i.imgur.com/aUdGdt8.png

[Colba2017]

I am trying to organize an investor's group of some sort to find answers and consider all of our options. Please PM me if you are interested in more details. I am a busy person so don't expect an immediate reply, but I will get back to you within a few days. Thanks.

[memalley]

我同Mally通了话，他说他只是一个英语文档，并没有参与项目本身，筹多少比特币都不知道，只是因为没领到工资才离开MASS.

Thank you, sir! This is the person who added me on WeChat and told me that my name was being implicated in a "scam". 多谢🙏哥们。 中国同志们我很抱歉， 我是编辑网站的英文版本而已。 我不会从这个项目中收任何的获利！！ 16年11月之后没有和kuzmin或者mass团队联系过

[memalley]

He would seem the best person to ask where the ico funds went. Note 90+% of the dev work was done before the ico finished. So they can't say it's been used up.

Answered above. I am sorry this went down, sir. I never had anything to do with accepting or spending the funds.

[Know-ledger]

I have left the project in December. No information.

Please, contact Alexander Kuzmin (CEO and escrow) and Alexei Oschepkov (Alexai Kontegna https://www.facebook.com/kontegna, project founder).

Hi!

Hi. I'm not part of the project since September 2016 after being fired by Alexander Pankov / "pianist"
(I wrote the white paper and few articles for them) but here's what I heard:

1)
Development is going on despite the fact that the first CTO left.

2)
The coins should be available to be bought and sold with Mycelium Wallet. I haven't tried it myself, though.

3)
The project CEO and owner is Alexander Kuzmin and I am quite sure if you drop them a line to the support address they can guide you through the process.


Alexey

[Know-ledger]

The swishcoin project has an almost identical setup as mass.

Their new "project":

http://www.knowledger.consulting/

We need to create a scam thread on scam sections about Mass Token,It's been a long time we should not let this people get away just like this,no wonder there were no updates,their thread and roadmap are good that you will have second thought plus their mass plugin was set up,this is a well planned scam ..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1799232.msg17930452#msg17930452

Hi

This is to confirm that neither Mass, nor Alexander Kuzmin personally (Mass owner and CEO) are affiliated in any way to Knowledger. I just once was Mass' contractor writing the white/blue papers for them.
I do not think Mass has stopped development but I can't confirm that having the same contacts everybody else does—through the support box.

[robelneo]

There's already a scam thread about Mass Token there,why not take the conversation and important information about Mass Token,this could all be deleted because this is a moderated thread,this is one of the reason why we should be doubtful on moderated announcement.

[Cent21]

There's already a scam thread about Mass Token there,why not take the conversation and important information about Mass Token,this could all be deleted because this is a moderated thread,this is one of the reason why we should be doubtful on moderated announcement.

You are right, it's better to move conversation there.

I have a few tens of millions masscoin in colu, and they are useless... and i'm very disappointed.

[bitcoin42r4]

The Emperor's New Clothes。

it will be at tailor shop and it can be come in front for wearing too...hahahhahahahahahahah

[pianist]

it is a moderated thread,dev can come back here and delete all not so kind comments..

This thread was started by me, so there won't be deleted anything.

You may feel free to talk in this thread.

[robelneo]

it is a moderated thread,dev can come back here and delete all not so kind comments..

This thread was started by me, so there won't be deleted anything.

You may feel free to talk in this thread.

Yes that's good to know,so we can have both the scam accusations and this thread but please change the title people will think this  is an on going project,change it to something about getting or recovering investors funds

[DaddyH]

I just heard about this thanks to a Chinese wechat user who added me to ask what was going on after seeing my LinkedIn profile thanks to the slanderous post, implicating me as a "professional scammer", from tokyopotato. His wanton accusation of me are as incorrect as they are inflammatory. It is obvious from his post who he really meant to target.

Now for my relationship with mass.

I stopped working for Alexander Kuzmin and Mycelium in November of 2016 and have had zero communication since then.

I was Product Manager of another Mycelium team. I later quit Mycelium because our offices were moved to Moscow...I was asked to relocate, said no thanks, and quit.  

In August or Sept of 2016, Kuzmin asked me to help edit the website for MASS since I was the only native ENG speaker at his disposal at the time. I did that and only that. At no point was equity or profit sharing EVER discussed with me. I acted under orders from my boss at the time to edit some copy for the site and blog and setup some social media accounts. that is all. He asked to put my pic and name on the website and said I should have a title since I was technically "part of the team"... Seemed like free publicity for me, why not? That was my only mistake in this issue. For that I am sorry.

I do not stand to gain anything from the MASS ICO and never did...
I am not a scammer, never have been and never will be.

I have made MANY MANY requests to have my name removed from the site... to no avail. Kuzmin has ignored my requests.

Since I found out about this issue, which I have not paid attention to since leaving, I have since deleted MASS from my LinkedIn, since you all seem to think it is a scam and I do not want to be associated with it if it is. It was never a full-time job for me and I was never even paid to work on it!

But let me be clear: I do not stand to profit IN ANY WAY FROM MASS or its ICO... Please contact Mr. Kuzmin

I have ZERO relations with Mycelium or Mr. Kuzmin or MASS since November 2016. However, their "pm,community manager, accountant" contacted me in Jan of this year. Maybe he can answer your questions.


Never heard from him again.


I am sorry for anyone who feels they have been harmed but I am not able to help you. I wish that I could. All I did was edit and write some copy for the website and various social media.

I hope this helps clear up my relationship with Kuzmin and Mass. I hope tokyopotato can remove the slanderous post about me and my current employer, thank you.

Firstly - thanks for your candid honesty. The picture is now becoming much clearer. However you cannot call anyone here a troll, they are all victims. Unfortunately for you - you were involved with the project at some stage AND your LinkedIn profiles states you managed the ICO funds. The same ICO funds which have since disappeared. So you can't blame folks from putting 2 and 2 together. Even though in this case you were not responsible for any of the subsequent issues.

Thanks again.

[tokyopotato]

Hello Michael,

I am not interested in further accusations against you, nor attacking your character, nor taking you down, nor holding you responsible - as that is counterproductive to finding any resolution. Unfortunately, it did appear that you were involved with copy and content creation for Mass Network and MassCoin ICO, as well as took credit for raising the funds, and I did bring attention to this and apologize for calling you a "professional scammer" and retract this statement. That fact that you came here to address the accusations, shows that you are a person of integrity.

A handful of participants including yourself, are now being "hung out to dry" by Alexander Kuzmin, and Alexey Oschepkov -- who have now moved onto new scams.  It has come to light that much of the communications regarding people's involvement in the Mass Network were outright lies and misinformation, which can be seen from the PR that was published at Bitcoin.com

https://news.bitcoin.com/mass-network-bitcoin-advertising/

Archived Link: http://archive.is/t2S1u

In this article, the Mass Network was referred to as a "Bitcoin Super Team" ... "composed of leading innovators from businesses such as Colu, Mycelium, Evernote, BitFury Capital, Deutsche Bank and IBM."

It is unfortunate that you were brought into the fold of this scam, along with Bitcoin.com

I believe this situation is sobering for yourself, and for everyone here.  Meanwhile, those ultimately responsible are now gone with the rest of the funds. Thank you for addressing the accusations, and providing more facts, as the community works to bring accountability to Alexander Kuzmin and Alexey Oschepkov (Kontegna). I will only let the facts speak for themselves at this point, as they come to the surface.

These sorts of ICO PR shenanigans cannot continue to go on at Bitcoin.com or within the Bitcoin space without accountability, and ultimately, that's all people want here -- accountability.

[Know-ledger]

Hello Michael,

I am not interested in further accusations against you, nor attacking your character, nor taking you down, nor holding you responsible - as that is counterproductive to finding any resolution. Unfortunately, it did appear that you were involved with copy and content creation for Mass Network and MassCoin ICO, as well as took credit for raising the funds, and I did bring attention to this and apologize for calling you a "professional scammer" and retract this statement. That fact that you came here to address the accusations, shows that you are a person of integrity.

A handful of participants including yourself, are now being "hung out to dry" by Alexander Kuzmin, and Alexey Oschepkov -- who have now moved onto new scams.  It has come to light that much of the communications regarding people's involvement in the Mass Network were outright lies and misinformation, which can be seen from the PR that was published at Bitcoin.com

https://news.bitcoin.com/mass-network-bitcoin-advertising/

Archived Link: http://archive.is/t2S1u

In this article, the Mass Network was referred to as a "Bitcoin Super Team" ... "composed of leading innovators from businesses such as Colu, Mycelium, Evernote, BitFury Capital, Deutsche Bank and IBM."

It is unfortunate that you were brought into the fold of this scam, along with Bitcoin.com

I believe this situation is sobering for yourself, and for everyone here.  Meanwhile, those ultimately responsible are now gone with the rest of the funds. Thank you for addressing the accusations, and providing more facts, as the community works to bring accountability to Alexander Kuzmin and Alexey Oschepkov (Kontegna). I will only let the facts speak for themselves at this point, as they come to the surface.

These sorts of ICO PR shenanigans cannot continue to go on at Bitcoin.com or within the Bitcoin space without accountability, and ultimately, that's all people want here -- accountability.

copying from the original new thread and my post there  DO NOT POST SESC LINKS


Hi, Mass Investors!


Here's my experience that I feel I need to contribute to the community since this doubt has arisen.

0) Neither me personally, nor my company (www.knowledger.consulting) have any affiliation with Mass Network or any of its founders/employees. I was just a contractor to Mass writing the white & blue papers and advising on general matters. Neither me, nor my company has ever received or managed in any way any funds directly from the crowdsale discussed.

1) I was first engaged in the project in early August of 2016 when I met Alexander Pankov (nick “pianist”) in Riga, Latvia, EU, in person. I assume, I was quite an obvious guy to get invited since I combine the knowledge of blockchain tech and ad-blocking as you can see in my blog (https://medium.com/@Knowledger).

2) Alexander Pankov has made an impression of having some deep knowledge of the subject, although I was unpleasantly amazed by him humiliating his wife more than twice publicly during an hour-long meeting. I should have probably withdrawn myself from there right away which I didn't, unfortunately.

3) Alexander Pankov initiated the crowdsale of Mass Network tokens by starting the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. I spent about 40 days communicating with Mass Network representatives while ~90% of messaging happened directly with Alexander Pankov / pianist.

4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself.

5) Along the way, Alexander Pankov began to fill my inbox with tons of messages that were self-contradictory, controversial, and not making sense at all. I expressed doubt he could manage his way, in polite terms.

6) In mid-September 2016 I was kicked off the project by Alexander Pankov with the extremely rude wording "I don't need you in the project, being impertinent to me is your life-lesson". I can prove that to any entity and will insist that in any court should that take place.

7) Later, along the project development, Alexander Kuzmin accurately calculated my participation and let me off, fulfilling all obligations to me, after his purchase of the entire thing, with no objections from my side whatsoever. I also had relations with him in the Mycelium Card project (https://card.mycelium.com) years before, where he also behave himself as a gentleman. I have no grounds to suspect him in any wrongdoings. He was indeed an escrow of the funds, according to his own words. I have zero knowledge on how funds received during the crowdsale were used, though.

I have to mention that Alexander Kuzmin has received a number of suggestions from me that he has ignored. Specifically I have advised him to withdraw from specific partnerships that he has announced on the Mass Network website. Him not doing so does not lead me to the assumption he meant any harm to Mass Network investors, rather I suppose I have limited knowledge of the matter.

Cool Alexander Pankov has "left the project" in December 2016, according to his own words. That happened RIGHT AFTER all the crowdfunding money were collected. We only have his word for that event, as a matter of fact.

9) In February 2017, Alexander Pankov (nicknamed "pianist") names me as a project "founder" while he well knows I am not and was not. That’s a blatant lie. It seems he is trying to blame me.

10) I have no grounds to suspect the project has let its investors down and stopped development. I don’t know why they have let this escalate or generate such a suspicious feeling in the community, I just felt I need to honestly express my view and what I know for sure.
______





Regards,

Alex
Knowledger.consulting

[tokyopotato]

The facts point to this scam being propagated with full knowledge by the Mycelium team, even though many have tried to distance themselves.  It is very unfortunate. In fact, it seems that Alex Kontegna as serial ICO involvement*, and that he is involved in http://knowledger.consulting (*edited)

https://medium.com/@Knowledger/how-to-spot-a-great-ico-and-leave-a-bad-one-alone-4665581e6a6d#.yg8a6bxjl

http://archive.is/5DxgW

https://www.reddit.com/user/Alex_Kontegna

https://www.reddit.com/user/mikeMassNetwork

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/50he2a/bitcoin_superteam_creates_mass_a_blockchainbased/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/50ar6s/bitcoin_superteam_creates_mass_blockchainbased/

[tokyopotato]

Hello Michael,

I am not interested in further accusations against you, nor attacking your character, nor taking you down, nor holding you responsible - as that is counterproductive to finding any resolution. Unfortunately, it did appear that you were involved with copy and content creation for Mass Network and MassCoin ICO, as well as took credit for raising the funds, and I did bring attention to this and apologize for calling you a "professional scammer" and retract this statement. That fact that you came here to address the accusations, shows that you are a person of integrity.

A handful of participants including yourself, are now being "hung out to dry" by Alexander Kuzmin, and Alexey Oschepkov -- who have now moved onto new scams.  It has come to light that much of the communications regarding people's involvement in the Mass Network were outright lies and misinformation, which can be seen from the PR that was published at Bitcoin.com

https://news.bitcoin.com/mass-network-bitcoin-advertising/

Archived Link: http://archive.is/t2S1u

In this article, the Mass Network was referred to as a "Bitcoin Super Team" ... "composed of leading innovators from businesses such as Colu, Mycelium, Evernote, BitFury Capital, Deutsche Bank and IBM."

It is unfortunate that you were brought into the fold of this scam, along with Bitcoin.com

I believe this situation is sobering for yourself, and for everyone here.  Meanwhile, those ultimately responsible are now gone with the rest of the funds. Thank you for addressing the accusations, and providing more facts, as the community works to bring accountability to Alexander Kuzmin and Alexey Oschepkov (Kontegna). I will only let the facts speak for themselves at this point, as they come to the surface.

These sorts of ICO PR shenanigans cannot continue to go on at Bitcoin.com or within the Bitcoin space without accountability, and ultimately, that's all people want here -- accountability.

copying from the original new thread and my post there  DO NOT POST SESC LINKS


Hi, Mass Investors!


Here's my experience that I feel I need to contribute to the community since this doubt has arisen.

0) Neither me personally, nor my company (www.knowledger.consulting) have any affiliation with Mass Network or any of its founders/employees. I was just a contractor to Mass writing the white & blue papers and advising on general matters. Neither me, nor my company has ever received or managed in any way any funds directly from the crowdsale discussed.

1) I was first engaged in the project in early August of 2016 when I met Alexander Pankov (nick “pianist”) in Riga, Latvia, EU, in person. I assume, I was quite an obvious guy to get invited since I combine the knowledge of blockchain tech and ad-blocking as you can see in my blog (https://medium.com/@Knowledger).

2) Alexander Pankov has made an impression of having some deep knowledge of the subject, although I was unpleasantly amazed by him humiliating his wife more than twice publicly during an hour-long meeting. I should have probably withdrawn myself from there right away which I didn't, unfortunately.

3) Alexander Pankov initiated the crowdsale of Mass Network tokens by starting the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. I spent about 40 days communicating with Mass Network representatives while ~90% of messaging happened directly with Alexander Pankov / pianist.

4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself.

5) Along the way, Alexander Pankov began to fill my inbox with tons of messages that were self-contradictory, controversial, and not making sense at all. I expressed doubt he could manage his way, in polite terms.

6) In mid-September 2016 I was kicked off the project by Alexander Pankov with the extremely rude wording "I don't need you in the project, being impertinent to me is your life-lesson". I can prove that to any entity and will insist that in any court should that take place.

7) Later, along the project development, Alexander Kuzmin accurately calculated my participation and let me off, fulfilling all obligations to me, after his purchase of the entire thing, with no objections from my side whatsoever. I also had relations with him in the Mycelium Card project (https://card.mycelium.com) years before, where he also behave himself as a gentleman. I have no grounds to suspect him in any wrongdoings. He was indeed an escrow of the funds, according to his own words. I have zero knowledge on how funds received during the crowdsale were used, though.

I have to mention that Alexander Kuzmin has received a number of suggestions from me that he has ignored. Specifically I have advised him to withdraw from specific partnerships that he has announced on the Mass Network website. Him not doing so does not lead me to the assumption he meant any harm to Mass Network investors, rather I suppose I have limited knowledge of the matter.

Cool Alexander Pankov has "left the project" in December 2016, according to his own words. That happened RIGHT AFTER all the crowdfunding money were collected. We only have his word for that event, as a matter of fact.

9) In February 2017, Alexander Pankov (nicknamed "pianist") names me as a project "founder" while he well knows I am not and was not. That’s a blatant lie. It seems he is trying to blame me.

10) I have no grounds to suspect the project has let its investors down and stopped development. I don’t know why they have let this escalate or generate such a suspicious feeling in the community, I just felt I need to honestly express my view and what I know for sure.
______





Regards,

Alex
Knowledger.consulting

Just as I expected.  Everyone here was involved, but nobody can take responsibility.  And it seems that Alexander Kuzmin is the one who has "disappeared without a trace". 

Thanks for speaking out your version of the facts. 

This is a horrible shit-stain on Mycelium.