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November 14, 2016, 10:34:41 AM
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So looking a bit deeper into this, it seems even more concerning. My understanding is that the player will need to trust

* random.org
* cloudflare
* oraclize

As the code doesn't appear to be using random.org's sequences (?), so there's no way to check how many times random.org was asked for random numbers. It just checks that random.org gave a result. It can give any result it wants, and there's no guarantees (unlike a provably fair scheme). But worse, is this means oraclize can ask it as many times as it wants. But the TLS layer is done by cloudflare, so you also need to trust them (they can change the result if they want). There's probably no problem trusting all 3 (?!) parties, but the problem I see is if one of them cheats, it's 100% undetectable.

Now contrast this to going to a bitcoin gambling site, say PrimeDice:

* I deposit money
* I play using a proper dedicated interface, and have instant bets
* I check my results
* I withdraw


So in the vdice case, I'm trusting 3 parties who can cheat me (?) but if they do, I'll never know. And they know I'll never know.  Now contrast to PrimeDice, which you do need to trust with the amount you deposit, whoever it's impossible for them to undetectable cheat you. This provides extra incentive for them to be honest.


Anyway, I'm sure i'm missing something as AFAICT it's strictly a step down from current bitcoin gambling?   (Disclaimer: I'm very unfamiliar with ethereum and greatly dislike it, so my reading of the contract is likely totally mistaken)

I don't understand. You're saying you trust centralized more than decentralized   ?


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November 14, 2016, 11:52:47 AM
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So you are gonna collect about 10 000 BTC in the upcoming ICO? Well, pretty ambitious...

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November 14, 2016, 01:44:03 PM
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and ICO time is china Beijing time 2016-11-15 17:00, on that time , many people are on the road to home, why you choose this time to ICO?  beijing time 19:00 ~ 21:00 is good time for people to invest.
By the time, you have suggested, some other country people might be sleeping or on roads also. Is there any compulsion to buy immediately once ICO starts ? Moreover we never need to worry like only first in will get served as plenty of tokens will be available for everyone.

There is a month to buy tokens. Unless we sell out in minutes.  Wink
Getting sell out in minutes must be an historic event. If it is possible, his worries are highly meaningful  Grin

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November 14, 2016, 04:04:00 PM
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So you are gonna collect about 10 000 BTC in the upcoming ICO? Well, pretty ambitious...
Is there anything wrong with that amount ? or being ambitious ? I guess ICONOMI ICO has collected more than that amount, I wish vDice to break if any record so far an altcoin has set on total funds collected through its ICO. vDice seems very much fittest for any new record too.

Getting sell out in minutes must be an historic event.
For another record ?  Cheesy

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November 14, 2016, 04:25:15 PM
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So you are gonna collect about 10 000 BTC in the upcoming ICO? Well, pretty ambitious...
Is there anything wrong with that amount ? or being ambitious ? I guess ICONOMI ICO has collected more than that amount, I wish vDice to break if any record so far an altcoin has set on total funds collected through their ICO. vDice seems very much fittest for any new record too.

Getting sell out in minutes must be an historic event.
For another record ?  Cheesy

Do you think people would magically start playing on your site if all the sudden you had a bunch of money?

Fun fact:
Satoshi dice accepted it's first bet April 12, 2012.  
After 2 months they had their first 30,000+ bet day. (June 13, 2012)
4 months after launch they accepted bet number 1,000,000 (August 15, 2012)

vdice launched on June 10th 2016.
It took them 5 months to hit bet number 7,000


Here is what vdice was saying 5+ months ago....sound familiar?
June 11, 2016 Written by vDice Admin
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Zero Confirmation is Coming!
We work with Oraclize. They do such amazing work. And they love working with us. So we’re going to keep going with that relationship.

People can see. Especially the old Bitcoin people, they can see the potential. All day we get contacted by people about opportunities.

Everyone wants a piece of vDice.io. Especially with Shanghai Devcon so soon. They know all the interest from China. They know it’s coming…soon!

We didn’t think about it. We’re so focused on software. We’ll let you know.

We’ll keep having the fastest, safest, onchain oracle transactions.

We’ll keep building the best technology…for everyone. Ethereum lightning betting.

Our API…no one can believe our API. Everyone was talking about Blockcypher and their API. Then we come out with our API. People can’t believe it.

The number of developers we’ve sent our API stuff to already, just in this last 48hrs…It’s incredible. It’s so great. And all free!

We care about the software. They see that. And the network. We care about the Ethereum network. Ethereum lightning betting is coming.


Here's what vdice is delivering the day before ico:



Don't be stupid and give them your money.

PS: It's still not provably fair or decentralized.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1646783.msg16795099#msg16795099

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November 14, 2016, 07:19:17 PM
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Few hours to go and ICO will officially start. Some interesting conversations happening lately. I am not a computer wiz so i'll just follow how it leads. So far so good for vDice. Cheers.

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November 14, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
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Would we need to use an Ethereum address we own to participate?

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November 15, 2016, 01:29:24 AM
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So you are gonna collect about 10 000 BTC in the upcoming ICO? Well, pretty ambitious...
Is there anything wrong with that amount ? or being ambitious ? I guess ICONOMI ICO has collected more than that amount, I wish vDice to break if any record so far an altcoin has set on total funds collected through their ICO. vDice seems very much fittest for any new record too.

Getting sell out in minutes must be an historic event.
For another record ?  Cheesy

Do you think people would magically start playing on your site if all the sudden you had a bunch of money?

Fun fact:
Satoshi dice accepted it's first bet April 12, 2012.  
After 2 months they had their first 30,000+ bet day. (June 13, 2012)
4 months after launch they accepted bet number 1,000,000 (August 15, 2012)

vdice launched on June 10th 2016.
It took them 5 months to hit bet number 7,000


Here is what vdice was saying 5+ months ago....sound familiar?
June 11, 2016 Written by vDice Admin
Quote
Zero Confirmation is Coming!
We work with Oraclize. They do such amazing work. And they love working with us. So we’re going to keep going with that relationship.

People can see. Especially the old Bitcoin people, they can see the potential. All day we get contacted by people about opportunities.

Everyone wants a piece of vDice.io. Especially with Shanghai Devcon so soon. They know all the interest from China. They know it’s coming…soon!

We didn’t think about it. We’re so focused on software. We’ll let you know.

We’ll keep having the fastest, safest, onchain oracle transactions.

We’ll keep building the best technology…for everyone. Ethereum lightning betting.

Our API…no one can believe our API. Everyone was talking about Blockcypher and their API. Then we come out with our API. People can’t believe it.

The number of developers we’ve sent our API stuff to already, just in this last 48hrs…It’s incredible. It’s so great. And all free!

We care about the software. They see that. And the network. We care about the Ethereum network. Ethereum lightning betting is coming.


Here's what vdice is delivering the day before ico:



Don't be stupid and give them your money.

PS: It's still not provably fair or decentralized.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1646783.msg16795099#msg16795099

dont fuckin buy in and go away.
learn business...yes, this ico will bring major revenue to the vdice gambling site due to exposure alone...
fuckin trolls
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November 15, 2016, 01:35:51 AM
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Any exchanges planning on adding vSlice?
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November 15, 2016, 01:43:55 AM
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dont fuckin buy in and go away.
learn business...yes, this ico will bring major revenue to the vdice gambling site due to exposure only...
fuckin trolls

Nah, I'm gonna stay here and try to keep scumbags from preying on the more gullible or less experienced.

Also lol @ major revenue. 

Fun Fact: Prime-Dice has an ave of 5.4 million bets per day.  At vDices current rate that would take them ~303 years.

PS: vdice is not provably fair or decentralized

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November 15, 2016, 08:46:21 AM
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dont fuckin buy in and go away.
learn business...yes, this ico will bring major revenue to the vdice gambling site due to exposure only...
fuckin trolls

Nah, I'm gonna stay here and try to keep scumbags from preying on the more gullible or less experienced.

Also lol @ major revenue. 

Fun Fact: Prime-Dice has an ave of 5.4 million bets per day.  At vDices current rate that would take them ~303 years.

PS: vdice is not provably fair or decentralized

Why should the amount of bets grow linear? This calculation makes no sense.
Its an speculative investement and like always you can be sure it is working. You are right with that but its nothing special in crypto  Grin


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the ICO is start. and is there any way to know how much the total investment ?

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Please explain the following statment that appears in the OP:

"There will be an an “early-bird” special. The Smart Contract exists with an initial token supply of 60M tokens. That is, 60M tokens will be available and distributed before the dates, through Crowdsale partners, open to any and all who wish to participate through those partners"

Was there an early sale prior to the ICO started today??

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What I don't understand. I bought vdice through the crowdsale webiste. Generate wallet, send Ether, buy VDICE. But where can I see the amount of VDICE tokens i hold?
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What I don't understand. I bought vdice through the crowdsale webiste. Generate wallet, send Ether, buy VDICE. But where can I see the amount of VDICE tokens i hold?

Follow the steps exactly in this document:
https://blog.vdice.io/checking-vslice-balance/

Any issues let me know.
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Please explain the following statment that appears in the OP:

"There will be an an “early-bird” special. The Smart Contract exists with an initial token supply of 60M tokens. That is, 60M tokens will be available and distributed before the dates, through Crowdsale partners, open to any and all who wish to participate through those partners"

Was there an early sale prior to the ICO started today??



That is an old iteration of our documentation it seems.

That is not applicable.

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November 15, 2016, 09:51:01 AM
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A very good start for vDice...

$ 409,872.63 collected till now. I will invest into this project!

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Please explain the following statment that appears in the OP:

"There will be an an “early-bird” special. The Smart Contract exists with an initial token supply of 60M tokens. That is, 60M tokens will be available and distributed before the dates, through Crowdsale partners, open to any and all who wish to participate through those partners"

Was there an early sale prior to the ICO started today??



That is an old iteration of our documentation it seems.

That is not applicable.



Its written bluntly on the OP...
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Please explain the following statment that appears in the OP:

"There will be an an “early-bird” special. The Smart Contract exists with an initial token supply of 60M tokens. That is, 60M tokens will be available and distributed before the dates, through Crowdsale partners, open to any and all who wish to participate through those partners"

Was there an early sale prior to the ICO started today??



That is an old iteration of our documentation it seems.

That is not applicable.



Shouldn't you be changing or updating it?

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Great going..first day and collecting


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