[ANN] Zclassic, Zcash Fork No Premine, No 20% Founders Tax

[sgk]

Hi Guys. Can u give a link to the latest zcl wallet version? Thanks in advance.

Have you tried going to the official Reddit? Link to latest wallet and installation guide should be there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/

[1714832494]

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[wetblanket]

Everyone probably knows this already, but zclmine.pro is a junk pool. Check out the share response time (using dstm zm, but can confirm issues with bminer as well):

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2018-01-05 11:10:54 PM|   GPU1  49C  Sol/s: 490.6  Sol/W: 3.65  Avg: 493.0  I/s: 262.4  Sh: 1.50   1.00 14204
2018-01-05 11:10:55 PM|   GPU0  48C  Sol/s: 491.8  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 490.7  I/s: 262.4  Sh: 5.97   1.00 17118 ++++
2018-01-05 11:10:55 PM|   GPU2  52C  Sol/s: 489.4  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 484.3  I/s: 259.0  Sh: 3.00   1.00 16829
2018-01-05 11:10:57 PM|   GPU3  55C  Sol/s: 489.2  Sol/W: 3.61  Avg: 482.8  I/s: 259.5  Sh: 3.73   1.00 5944 +++
2018-01-05 11:10:59 PM|   GPU4  57C  Sol/s: 485.0  Sol/W: 3.69  Avg: 491.5  I/s: 260.8  Sh: 0.75   . .   +
2018-01-05 11:11:01 PM|   GPU5  57C  Sol/s: 495.3  Sol/W: 3.64  Avg: 489.0  I/s: 261.6  Sh: 2.99   1.00 17873
2018-01-05 11:11:01 PM|   ========== Sol/s: 2941.3 Sol/W: 3.64  Avg: 2931.3 I/s: 1565.7 Sh: 17.93  1.00 14393

Switching to zcl.suprnova.cc:

Code:

2018-01-05 11:13:42 PM|   GPU1  49C  Sol/s: 476.9  Sol/W: 3.65  Avg: 490.1  I/s: 262.2  Sh: 1.71   1.00 196
2018-01-05 11:13:42 PM|   GPU0  49C  Sol/s: 487.0  Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 489.3  I/s: 262.3  Sh: 0.43   1.00 197
2018-01-05 11:13:43 PM|   GPU2  52C  Sol/s: 487.6  Sol/W: 3.59  Avg: 484.1  I/s: 259.2  Sh: 2.13   1.00 208
2018-01-05 11:13:45 PM|   GPU3  55C  Sol/s: 492.7  Sol/W: 3.61  Avg: 483.1  I/s: 259.3  Sh: 2.99   1.00 200 +
2018-01-05 11:13:47 PM|   GPU4  57C  Sol/s: 490.0  Sol/W: 3.66  Avg: 491.7  I/s: 260.6  Sh: 2.98   1.00 195
2018-01-05 11:13:49 PM|   GPU5  57C  Sol/s: 483.9  Sol/W: 3.64  Avg: 489.9  I/s: 261.5  Sh: 1.28   1.00 200
2018-01-05 11:13:49 PM|   ========== Sol/s: 2918.0 Sol/W: 3.63  Avg: 2928.2 I/s: 1565.0 Sh: 11.52  1.00 199

Note that the last number before a possible `+` character at the end of a line is the share response time in milliseconds. Avg 15 seconds vs 200 milliseconds? Awesome - maybe don't promote zclmine.pro on your website, ZCL team.

What a waste of GPU cycles/hours.

[staggerpines]

Bittrex ZCL wallet is under maintenance because obviously Bittrex does not have enough ZCL tokens to fulfil peoples desires to take it off the exchange. They are busy trying to scoop up cheap Zclassic to cater to all the buyers but are finding that hard.

[antropogen0009]

What a sudden rise. However the project deserves it. IMHO. What are the nex event the team is going to participate?

[adiver]

Bittrex ZCL wallet is under maintenance because obviously Bittrex does not have enough ZCL tokens to fulfil peoples desires to take it off the exchange. They are busy trying to scoop up cheap Zclassic to cater to all the buyers but are finding that hard.

We still don't know if Bittrex will support the fork, do we ?

[etoque]

What a sudden rise. However the project deserves it. IMHO. What are the nex event the team is going to participate?

 lol in what kind of manner it deserve it ? By abandoning community for +6 month and suddenly dev show him with the last 'game changer topic' in crypto? You guys shill are at pro level that's all.

ZCL just a fad copy of ZEC. If you guys want game changer then look at ZEN ,have node,many team around the world and they are partnering with cardaro to make DAO treasure systems,zenhide,instant zen,smart contract etc etc etc. zcl is barely like a banana republic lmao

[DIXItip4ik]

Hi there. What is the difference here between zclassik and zcah. Only the absence of 20% founders tax?

[etoque]

Hi there. What is the difference here between zclassik and zcah. Only the absence of 20% founders tax?

none so far except that.

Have to face that you guys are total trash when it come to value project that are for long term,give daily development and production,representation and in others hand, the one who ain't give a shit of you and the chain 6 month in a row then hype it out of no where with the 'game changer' thingy just by c/c two open source coin because the dev need money for his next years of holliday, but for sure lets all lie and say how zcl is good for long term right ? lol.

[tkredmond]

Bittrex wallet seems to be down forever. Is mining safe at this point?

[itsnasir]

I put a sell price on ZCL 2 days ago and wallet went down right after 1hr, I had to cancel it but couldn't cancel, And it got sold out next day and I lost making A LOT more profit, It's all fate! You try your level best to make maximum but in end you always get whats written for you not more or less!

[Raja_MBZ]

What a sudden rise. However the project deserves it. IMHO. What are the nex event the team is going to participate?

 lol in what kind of manner it deserve it ? By abandoning community for +6 month and suddenly dev show him with the last 'game changer topic' in crypto? You guys shill are at pro level that's all.

ZCL just a fad copy of ZEC. If you guys want game changer then look at ZEN ,have node,many team around the world and they are partnering with cardaro to make DAO treasure systems,zenhide,instant zen,smart contract etc etc etc. zcl is barely like a banana republic lmao

Exactly, I lost more than a whole bitcoin 2 months back when I sold all ZCL up at 0.0002 BTC (thinking project is dead, dev is dead and soon Bittrex will de-list it). All that ZCL was purchased at 0.0004 BTC half a year back, and I sold it at all this loss. They would've turned almost 50 BTC right now if I had kept just for two more months, but I'm literally glad I didn't. I don't wanna be a part of a coin which is filled with lies.

Rhett clearly, crystal clearly told us all that there'll be absolutely NO development of ZCL ever, it'll just simply & simply follow the steps of ZEC but without founder fee. I tried my level best to convince him for at least some upgrades, but he denied. Now out of no-where, he appeared again and announced this stupid plan of forking, and stupid newbies are taking part in it. The actual value of BTCP and ZCL, soon will be zero. Zen and Hush are much better projects, but they just don't create any hype nor any useless fork, where ZCL is winning.

[LuckLurker]

Bittrex ZCL wallet is under maintenance because obviously Bittrex does not have enough ZCL tokens to fulfil peoples desires to take it off the exchange. They are busy trying to scoop up cheap Zclassic to cater to all the buyers but are finding that hard.

We still don't know if Bittrex will support the fork, do we ?

There zclassic wallet is down for maintenance, which to me suggest they are

[niks_85]

What a sudden rise. However the project deserves it. IMHO. What are the nex event the team is going to participate?

 lol in what kind of manner it deserve it ? By abandoning community for +6 month and suddenly dev show him with the last 'game changer topic' in crypto? You guys shill are at pro level that's all.

ZCL just a fad copy of ZEC. If you guys want game changer then look at ZEN ,have node,many team around the world and they are partnering with cardaro to make DAO treasure systems,zenhide,instant zen,smart contract etc etc etc. zcl is barely like a banana republic lmao

Exactly, I lost more than a whole bitcoin 2 months back when I sold all ZCL up at 0.0002 BTC (thinking project is dead, dev is dead and soon Bittrex will de-list it). All that ZCL was purchased at 0.0004 BTC half a year back, and I sold it at all this loss. They would've turned almost 50 BTC right now if I had kept just for two more months, but I'm literally glad I didn't. I don't wanna be a part of a coin which is filled with lies.

Rhett clearly, crystal clearly told us all that there'll be absolutely NO development of ZCL ever, it'll just simply & simply follow the steps of ZEC but without founder fee. I tried my level best to convince him for at least some upgrades, but he denied. Now out of no-where, he appeared again and announced this stupid plan of forking, and stupid newbies are taking part in it. The actual value of BTCP and ZCL, soon will be zero. Zen and Hush are much better projects, but they just don't create any hype nor any useless fork, where ZCL is winning.

For that matter, even XLM is copy of XRP with difference largely on the governance where one is owned largely by a company and other managed by a non-profit. So, even if this is merely a copy of Zcash with difference in only how its governed I will like to see it on top with Zcash.

[vince212]

Will you get BTCP if you have your ZClassic on Bittrex??

No, I don't think so. BTCP is going to be absolutely nothing, I'm amazed people aren't thinking about it. Now we have one headache, ZCL only, but soon we'll have two headaches, ZCL and BTCP. BTCP won't be even added to any exchange, I don't see any plans of it. This drama is going to be ended soon and bad, and dev will be offline forever.

The dev probably wanted to cashout his last left-overs of ZCL at a good rate, and started this drama.

how much do you think it would spike from here?

I don't think so it'll spike any further, but even if it does, it should not be able to cross 0.003 BTC.

wanna bet on x4?

Sure thing! How much? You think it'll go to 0.012 BTC? LOL, get real man.

so how's life? just hit .012
ill accept 10 zclassic hahaha

[sgk]

Will you get BTCP if you have your ZClassic on Bittrex??

No, I don't think so. BTCP is going to be absolutely nothing, I'm amazed people aren't thinking about it. Now we have one headache, ZCL only, but soon we'll have two headaches, ZCL and BTCP. BTCP won't be even added to any exchange, I don't see any plans of it. This drama is going to be ended soon and bad, and dev will be offline forever.

The dev probably wanted to cashout his last left-overs of ZCL at a good rate, and started this drama.

how much do you think it would spike from here?

I don't think so it'll spike any further, but even if it does, it should not be able to cross 0.003 BTC.

wanna bet on x4?

Sure thing! How much? You think it'll go to 0.012 BTC? LOL, get real man.

    

[KCR]

Bittrex ZCL wallet is under maintenance because obviously Bittrex does not have enough ZCL tokens to fulfil peoples desires to take it off the exchange. They are busy trying to scoop up cheap Zclassic to cater to all the buyers but are finding that hard.

We still don't know if Bittrex will support the fork, do we ?

No it doesn't support the fork. Bittrex sucks.

[faneatiku]

Didn't BitcoinZ (BTCZ) community made a windows seeder wallet for ZCL ? I can't find it.

[ainsleyfran]

Would there be a way to enlarge the maximum supply in the future if it will be necessary?

[engmsf]

Which zk-snarks privacy coin is best?   Which has the spirit of the original bitcoin?

BTCZ = community coin, no premine, no dev fund, no ICO and no founders reward.  

ZEC = 20% founder fund, WTF
ZEN = 8.5% treasury fund
HUSH = Premine
ZCL = ZEC fork, TBD fork to BTCP, another WTF?

BitcoinZ may end up being way better than ZCL/BTCP.   Think about it another way, BTCP has tonnes of crap baggage.  Zclassic & Bitcoin owners will hold majority of the wealth. With difficulty spiking because of the hype, new comers will be left to mine the crumbs while holders control the lions share of the coin, and thus control the market.    This will have a massive impact on global adoption.     The time to mine or buy BitcoinZ is now.    Privacy coins will have a place in the future.

The 21B BTCZ coins makes so much sense.   I rather have block reward of 12500 coins per 2.5 mins instead of 12.5 per 2.5 min.   Who wants to deal in fractions.

Didn't BitcoinZ (BTCZ) community made a windows seeder wallet for ZCL ? I can't find it.

Would there be a way to enlarge the maximum supply in the future if it will be necessary?

[striker7334 2.0]

Which zk-snarks privacy coin is best?   Which has the spirit of the original bitcoin?

BTCZ = community coin, no premine, no dev fund, no ICO and no founders reward. 

ZEC = 20% founder fund, WTF
ZEN = 8.5% treasury fund
HUSH = Premine
ZCL = ZEC fork, TBD fork to BTCP, another WTF?

BitcoinZ may end up being way better than ZCL/BTCP.   Think about it another way, BTCP has tonnes of crap baggage.  Zclassic & Bitcoin owners will hold majority of the wealth. With difficulty spiking because of the hype, new comers will be left to mine the crumbs while holders control the lions share of the coin, and thus control the market.    This will have a massive impact on global adoption.     The time to mine or buy BitcoinZ is now.    Privacy coins will have a place in the future.

The 21B BTCZ coins makes so much sense.   I rather have block reward of 12500 coins per 2.5 mins instead of 12.5 per 2.5 min.   Who wants to deal in fractions.

Didn't BitcoinZ (BTCZ) community made a windows seeder wallet for ZCL ? I can't find it.

Would there be a way to enlarge the maximum supply in the future if it will be necessary?

Surprised you guys aren't mentioning ZOI in that comparison it has a real dev team and masternodes coming soon! But yeah I had high hope for ZCL but with this fork coming up I remain skeptical, clearly its just become this guys personal pump toy for him to drop his bags on noobs imo and it damages what little rep ZCL has left. Honestly I would ditch the old dev he decided that he didn't want anything else to do with the project and chose Zen over it. ZCL has a huge advantage over other alts its actually on bittrex already but it needs a strong dev team, strong community, and a roadmap for the foreseeable future.