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April 18, 2013, 03:37:07 AM
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Yes. Everything he has done has served to reduce our trust in him. If he's legitimate then he *literally* couldn't have handled this worse.

Communicating through Reddit and twitter on an completely ad hoc basis? No formal information, no corroborating evidence, contradictory statements and a profound lack of action? What a disgrace. If he isn't a scammer he is doing his best impersonation of one.

Now, because of his incompetence hundreds of people (myself included) have filed complaints to the Bremen Kriminalpolitzi which means the money will be tied up forever. I couldn't let this charade carry on any longer. 48 hours of no communication shows a complete disregard for the situation.

That's if there's any money left in the account, anyway. I sincerely believe he has lost thousands and thousands of BTC through the bug and was trying to cover his losses through the increasing value of BTC.
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April 18, 2013, 03:38:56 AM
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Umm, maybe because he doesn't want to return them? Smiley

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If he intends to return the BTC it would be in his best interest to do so quickly to restore confidence.
He has had ample time to return the BTC.
He has no returned the BTC.
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police have seized hardware

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April 18, 2013, 03:39:14 AM
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update from another thread:

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Re: Initiative to help Simon Hausdorf to clear things @ bitcoin-24 <-- SIMON READ IT
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Update: http://board.btc24-help.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18&sid=8332b6e8753a7f3084015bd68d3a580f

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April 18, 2013, 03:42:59 AM
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The police haven't seized the hardware. They barely seem aware of the situation; it's not as if he's wanted by Interpol (yet)

We shouldn't keep making excuses for him. It's an exercise in self delusion.
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April 18, 2013, 03:44:39 AM
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I truly doubt that's the real Simon, although I could be wrong. Why the f*ck would he use yet another confusing channel of communication? What's next? Smoke signals? Morse code?
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April 18, 2013, 03:51:50 AM
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I truly doubt that's the real Simon, although I could be wrong. Why the f*ck would he use yet another confusing channel of communication? What's next? Smoke signals? Morse code?
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so much negativity, always...

he has established he's bad at communicating already - I just had to read it on Google translate but it is consistent so far. I don't quite understand what's going on with the banks though...

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April 18, 2013, 03:57:10 AM
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I'm sorry but you're being naive and far too forgiving. What reason is there to believe that's the real Simon apart from the fact we desperately *want* to believe he hasn't completely f*cked us over?

The most obvious point is that there has been no communication through any of his pre registered accounts. Only that new one which could have been created by absolutely anybody.

*nobody* is that stupid that they wouldn't have a constant and consistent channel of communication open during this crisis. His reticence is damning. With the minimum amount of offence; I've seen autistic people with better awareness and communication skills.

48 hours with no communication! During something like this? Are you kidding me? People are going insane and justifiably so.
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April 18, 2013, 04:37:17 AM
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At this point, I'm beginning to think that for 5million ish $/EUR I too would

1. build up my rep (post count) for months on 20-30 accounts on all the major bitcoin forums and on reddit
2. initiate scam
3. calm the action by repeatedly assuring in eeriely similar posts all claiming to have:
       a. Met this elusive guy, simon
       b. claim he's nice, upright in morals, idealistic, etc,etc (thus feeding all our biases)
4. use the time bought from the community by my dummy accounts to give them the slip.


tl;dr :

When people keep saying "I've met this guy, he's nice, etc, etc" only trust those with established rep.
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April 18, 2013, 07:06:20 AM
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Also Simon should publish and thus verify list of all his accounts at all channels (here, Reddit, Facebook, etc.) signed by his bitcoin address and then repeat this with maybe 3 or 4 other addresses (b24 cold storage, hot storage, ...).
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April 18, 2013, 07:23:39 AM
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At this point, I'm beginning to think that for 5million ish $/EUR I too would

1. build up my rep (post count) for months on 20-30 accounts on all the major bitcoin forums and on reddit
2. initiate scam
3. calm the action by repeatedly assuring in eeriely similar posts all claiming to have:
       a. Met this elusive guy, simon
       b. claim he's nice, upright in morals, idealistic, etc,etc (thus feeding all our biases)
4. use the time bought from the community by my dummy accounts to give them the slip.


tl;dr :

When people keep saying "I've met this guy, he's nice, etc, etc" only trust those with established rep.


I've met this guy, he's nice, etc, etc
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April 18, 2013, 08:42:07 AM
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Update on the site https://bitcoin-24.com/

Our Service is momentarily not available.
1. All funds (EUR, USD, PLN, GBP & Bitcoins) are safe.
2. All withdrawals will be gradually processed chronologically from another bank account.
3. The Polish authority closed our Bank account in Poland.
4. Our lawyers are working with high pressure on a solution.

Die Gründe für die Schließung unserer Konten durch internationale Großbanken sind uns nun bekannt und rechtlich mehr als fragwürdig. Unsere Rechtsanwälte gehen mit aller Konsequenz gegen dieses Verhalten vor. Wir gehen davon aus, dass wir kurzfristig wieder vollständig handlungsfähig sind und alle Geschäfte mit noch größerem Engagement im Sinne aller Nutzer vorantreiben können. Die Sorgen der Großbanken sind uns ein zusätzlicher Ansporn dabei! Wir werden sie zeitnah über die weitere Entwicklung informieren.
(English this evening)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf

google translate: reasons for the closing of our accounts with major international banks are now known to us and legally more than questionable. Our lawyers go before the full consequences to this behavior. We assume that we are ready again fully operational and all transactions can drive with even greater commitment on behalf of all users. The concerns of the major banks are us an additional incentive there! We will inform you promptly of further development. (English this evening)
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April 18, 2013, 09:07:44 AM
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Additionally there is a link to a document. Can anyone let me know whats inside?

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April 18, 2013, 09:40:45 AM
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New post from Simon (not translated yet): http://btc24-help.com/simons-board-post/

Not much new information from what I can see with Google Translate and no new promises about when any part of the website will be back up.
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April 18, 2013, 09:44:56 AM
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New update on https://bitcoin-24.com/. Anybody undestands German?

There is link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf. It is notification from Polish bank from 9.4.2013 about account block.

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April 18, 2013, 09:53:58 AM
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ALL the action is now taking place at:

http://board.btc24-help.com

There is also an English subforum!
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April 18, 2013, 10:01:42 AM
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New update on https://bitcoin-24.com/. Anybody undestands German?

There is link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf. It is notification from Polish bank from 9.4.2013 about account block.

Well, i am german. Do you need a short info, what´s going on?

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April 18, 2013, 10:51:57 AM
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It would be nice to finally understand who alerted whom and for what reason, between the Commerzbank, the Bremen police and the Polish bank. The Google translation isn't good enough to make this clear.
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April 18, 2013, 11:12:10 AM
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The Commerzbank informed the Bremen police, that he used the money for him self and that this is probably the money of his clients. The Bremen police contacted the polish authorities and they closed his polish bank account.

That´s it. So, the money should be safe but under control of the authorities.

Personaly, i think that the guy is from Poland(german minority) and that´s the reason why he had an account in Poland. Also his written German sounds like that.

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April 18, 2013, 11:32:10 AM
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Hmm, so then back when he created BTC24 and it was still a very small website with few subscribers it probably looked like a good idea to keep things simple and just use his personal account to keep the customers' money, but as things ramped up and the operation got much bigger it started to look very suspicious that he kept treating it like a personal account and making cash withdrawals from it whenever he wanted.

If I got things right. (I'm pretty sure he said something about some cash withdrawals which he felt completely entitled to.)
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April 18, 2013, 11:42:55 AM
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New update on https://bitcoin-24.com/. Anybody undestands German?

There is link to https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf. It is notification from Polish bank from 9.4.2013 about account block.

My German is not adequate enough, but it is clear that the bank blocked Simon's account for 3 months on order of the Polish public prosecutor.
The prosecutor did this after receving information from the GIIF - General Inspector of the Financial Information (= main Polish AML authority).
The GIIF in turn acted upon documents from the German (Bremen) public prosecutor and the German police.


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