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April 15, 2013, 12:36:05 AM
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If he is a scammer then what purpose does it serve to continue to post updates?  He has the money and the BTC so what more would he need?

Well I am not saying he IS a scammer but Pirate for example provided "updates" for weeks before running away with the funds.  It is a psychological trick used to let someone down slowly.  At day 0 of the scam so many people are active and highly pissed off all it takes is one to track you down and feed you a brick to ruin your day.   But as the weeks role by as the victims hold out hope slowly they get use to the idea they have lost their funds and move on.
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April 15, 2013, 01:07:01 AM
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DO NOT TRUST THE BY AN NEW POSTER ANNOUNCED "ALPHA" OF BTC24

IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO SCAM PPL
What the above meant to say was "Do NOT enter your BTC24 username and password here: alpha.bitcoin-24x.com because it's a phishing scam meant to steal your money, it's NOT a new website created by Simon Hausdorf."
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April 15, 2013, 07:21:55 AM
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Does someone one where this guy Simon lives?
I can't seem to figure why doesn't he allows bitcoin withdrawals, this shouldn't be a problem whether his bank account is closed or not.
BEWARE people he might be a scammer, if he wasn't he would have allowed us to withdraw our bitcoins.
This situation is damn serious, this was the biggest euro market.
And now we're learning that this huge stockmarket was controlled by a youngster with no freaking experience!
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April 15, 2013, 08:39:20 AM
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I really wish he would release our bitcoins. Let the Euros stay for a few days/weeks. But need the BTC now.

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April 15, 2013, 08:54:33 AM
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Latest news from Simon is that all passwords will be reset in the 2.0 version, I suppose this is to undo potensial scams after the phishing attempt?

Really wish he would get of his ass and give a statement concerning funds and BTCs.
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April 15, 2013, 10:08:41 AM
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last night there came also some messages via twitter:

https://twitter.com/Bitcoin24com

does not sound good to me.

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April 15, 2013, 10:15:19 AM
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Is the Twitter-Account real ??

he writes there, last night:

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Bank are saying, that they will support Bitcoin! But they don't. It is time for a press release, that the banks will NOT accept Bitcoins!

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It is time for something new. A new big business and a very serious Company, which can not be fuc***! We will be back for sure!


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joke or real ?

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April 15, 2013, 11:05:47 AM
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Hard to say, he seems to think the most important thing to his customers is to get back the opportunity to trade at btc24, while what we really want is to know our funds and coins are safe. The longer he takes to convince us about this the more credibility he and his site will loose.
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April 15, 2013, 11:14:36 AM
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It is also strange that he has so for not made a single comment about the bug that occurred on the last day before the site closed.
It is conceivable that despite this bug the balance is OK, i.e. the fiat/BTC available does match the sum on the accounts. Even if it doesn't the loss could be insignificant because there was little possibility to get BTC or fiat out of the site on the last day and the bug was very rare before then.

but he should tell us whether this is the case or not.

Given that he is clearly trying to comfort us, I fear the worst. Else he would have already confirmed that everyones funds are covered.
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April 15, 2013, 11:18:39 AM
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What a BS. Why does he still put up that e-mail address is he doesn't respond to any e-mail.
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April 15, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
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New post from tais46, 8 minutes ago:

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objection is send to the PL government! hope to get the bank account open this week. but I am sure we can clear this. I can't say a date, sorry for that.

I believe this guy is really working his butt off to clear stuff up; he's a little bit naieve though.
I trust him but I don't trust the banks he's doing business with though...
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April 15, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
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objection is send to the PL government! hope to get the bank account open this week. but I am sure we can clear this. I can't say a date, sorry for that.

All this information about the "Polish government", "Polish authorities" and "closing the account" is hopelessly unclear. Without more information we might assume that the bank account was simply blocked/frozen (but not closed) by the bank due to some kind of AML procedure.

If the bitcoin-24 owner shared the contents of the official communication from the bank or from these unknown "authorities" concerning the problem, we could speculate more.
By the way, Polish bitcoin community exists and some of its members could perhaps give some useful hints, if only the bitcoin-24 owner cared to describe his problems with the Polish bank in more detail.
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April 15, 2013, 02:49:52 PM
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If the bitcoin-24 owner shared the contents of the official communication from the bank or from these unknown "authorities" concerning the problem, we could speculate more.


Agreed, these vague answers on reddit is starting to piss me off, and the mood in the reddit thread is turning quite hostile now.
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April 15, 2013, 04:18:43 PM
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I understand everyone is fucked up about the situation. I also have a five figure stake at Bitcoin24; but I do believe the guy running it is honest. His decisions have just been poor.  Reading all his messages at: http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46 gives me the idea he's doing his best.

He mentioned he'd come back with some answers today, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. The last thing he needs are lawsuits on top of this pile of shit. I just can't believe he's having a comfortable sleep over this; not with all his details out on public and all.

My guess is that the cause of this is indeed some kind of AML-issue. If this is indeed the case, wouldn't this be settled when all accounts are verified via propper ID?
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April 15, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
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On friday, I was ok to give the guy time to sort things out.
Today, i'm starting to feel a bit more angry.

Simon: do your database rollback, check for duplicates manually, reconcile your accounts and see how many bitcoins you can give back to people. We all hope not more than 10% of our bitcoins have been lost in your fucked up engine.

As for the money, as said before I had 21,000 EUR there.
My feeling is that the money is safe, but lost. On such events, banks usually freeze the money for years. Most of the time, they never give it back until a court order has been given to give the money back. It can take 5-10 years for this to happen.
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April 15, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
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On friday, I was ok to give the guy time to sort things out.
Today, i'm starting to feel a bit more angry.

Simon: do your database rollback, check for duplicates manually, reconcile your accounts and see how many bitcoins you can give back to people. We all hope not more than 10% of our bitcoins have been lost in your fucked up engine.

As for the money, as said before I had 21,000 EUR there.
My feeling is that the money is safe, but lost. On such events, banks usually freeze the money for years. Most of the time, they never give it back until a court order has been given to give the money back. It can take 5-10 years for this to happen.

Why so long?
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April 15, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
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Apparantly, according to the following facebook post, Simon posted a little while ago mentioning the roll-back is succesful and he is waiting for the polish bank.

https://www.facebook.com/bitcoin.24/posts/622449231101962?comment_id=7172850


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http://www.reddit.com/user/TAiS46/

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my lawyer is saying, which information i can give to you. also that I can't publish a ETA when we are online again. But when I say, we are back on friday, and we are not back on friday, I have much more problems.

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hey, it is ok to go to the police or your own lawyer. at this moment it would also help us, to make a collective suit to the banks and german government.
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April 15, 2013, 07:53:30 PM
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Simon should do a quick youtube video.

Do it in German language no problem.

At least show his face and give us a quick reassurance with his voice.

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April 15, 2013, 08:00:07 PM
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I hope I'm not spamming this chat but here's more info I digged up. Just posted a few seconds ago.

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-tell us how much money (in btc or $) that was lost due to the buggy engine
-tell us when you will have finished the roll back of transactions and what will be the policy
-tell us when we can start withdrawing our money
-stop talking about your bank accounts problems for a while
-stop whining about the german governement (you are faulty)
-give us updates often (at least once per day)


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-all double trades where reset.
-I can't. If I give you a date, you insist on it. My lawyer told me the same
-Ok, so I will not talk again about banks and when they open the bank account again.
-I am not. My lawyer is saying the same. They have no right to close my bank account
-I am trying it as you can see!

I can understand his point of view... if he tells us a date and he can't make it, everyone will be pissed^10
...which actually is hard to imagine seeing how angry everyone is already...
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April 15, 2013, 08:14:04 PM
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I love FUDders, don't you? They always help resolve tricky situations so much faster...
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I hear everything is going very well now in spite of what it looks like.

Once I saw a bunch of sheep that were mutilated in a field.  I wondered if a wolf had attacked them, and then someone said "Don't cry wolf...people will jump to conclusions" so I didn't and everything was fine.

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