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December 16, 2016, 03:08:30 AM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Maybe you're not interested, but the explanation is in the religion of Islam on after death is really reasonable and acceptable. After death, the man will be gathered in one place. For those who do well when alive, the place will feel cool and comfortable, but it was not yet in heaven. And for people who are always doing evil and ugliness did when alive, where it will feel hot and uncomfortable, but it was not hell. Then our behavior over the world will be weighed, if heavier toward goodness, then we will be incorporated into heaven, and it was forever. And if more weight toward evil, we will go to hell, and it's forever.

ok, that's some thought. But how do you go to heaven/hell then? In what state? Like do you keep your appearence of what was it in the moment of your  death or some significant moment of your life? If the first case is the right one, how do blown up or beheaded or in any other way mutilated victims go to heaven/hell? Or is it like a soul on itself but we see us as we want, what we see ourselves as through I life?

I'm not a religious person myself, but I'm really interested in the religion and it's beliefs that it preaches.


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My personal thoughts on the premise are that there will be nothing after death - your consciousness will dim and end - and that that is all.

Thoughts of having a soul or reincarnation are simply ideas for self-comfort, to ease the idea of death. Why worry about so many things in this life when you can simply have everlasting luxuries in the next? Regardless of religious preference, it should be agreed that in the past, religion was used as a form of control for the masses.

In times of struggle, is it not easier to hold on to hope if you had something to strive for? Why wouldn't you give up in times of great pain, like in a war, unless you had something to look forward to were you to continue? The human body and mind persevere in these points of time.

I have the idea that there is but emptiness after death however it is fine for others to believe differently.

But how can you know? That's the thing that's bothering me. There a lot of opinions, religious teachings about the afterlife but what's killing me is the fact that we'll never know. There may be nothing and there may some other dimension that we go to after we're separated from our physical body. Just like dreams, maybe, maybe, when we dream we enter that place where we go when we die where the whole world is based on our mind and we actually create the whole world we want it to be. I don't know and it's bugging me.


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December 16, 2016, 07:09:07 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.
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December 16, 2016, 07:21:22 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.

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Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death
Actually Islam blindly guesses what happens after one's death, if indeed anything does actually happen. The same as all the other so called "holy" books.



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December 16, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
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Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death
Actually Islam blindly guesses what happens after one's death, if indeed anything does actually happen. The same as all the other so called "holy" books.


And you know this exactly how?

That's what I thought. Big guess. Easy for you to talk without having any foundation for your big talk.

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Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death
Actually Islam blindly guesses what happens after one's death, if indeed anything does actually happen. The same as all the other so called "holy" books.


And you know this exactly how?

That's what I thought. Big guess. Easy for you to talk without having any foundation for your big talk.

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Nope. Nobody knows what happens when we die (if anything) because nobody can tell us because they haven't died yet.

Solid logic.


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December 16, 2016, 11:56:34 PM
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We can only guessing what is after death. I believe in metaphysical world, but I also believe that everything can be explained by science, but for now we are not at this stage.
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December 17, 2016, 12:41:15 AM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.


It's called Hadith, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) told his fellows everything he saw or heard. And then his fellows transfered his sayings generation after generation, until came a great man called Al-imam Albukhari who gathered all those sayings in one book, he spent 16 years, gathering Al-Ahadith (the sayings of prophet Muhammed) from people's chests and hearts. That's how they knew about all of this.

Plus, that story as you call it, was a trial (a test) for both; fellows of the prophet and infidels of Quraysh. prophet Muhammed told them both about his journey to see who would believe him and most of Quraysh's infidels knew the truth (they knew that Prophet Muhammed would never lie), but they were too arrogant and stubborn to submit to it, that's how Islamic writers wrote about it.
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December 17, 2016, 12:56:37 AM
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Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death
Actually Islam blindly guesses what happens after one's death, if indeed anything does actually happen. The same as all the other so called "holy" books.


And you know this exactly how?

That's what I thought. Big guess. Easy for you to talk without having any foundation for your big talk.

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Nope. Nobody knows what happens when we die (if anything) because nobody can tell us because they haven't died yet.

Solid logic.


You are sooo extremely informative.

When somebody dies, it isn't that person anymore. There is a dead body, and there is the remains of the spirit, etc.  But none of this is that person. It's only living people who think of dead people as dead people.

You tell us nothing.

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December 17, 2016, 02:11:12 AM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Maybe you're not interested, but the explanation is in the religion of Islam on after death is really reasonable and acceptable. After death, the man will be gathered in one place. For those who do well when alive, the place will feel cool and comfortable, but it was not yet in heaven. And for people who are always doing evil and ugliness did when alive, where it will feel hot and uncomfortable, but it was not hell. Then our behavior over the world will be weighed, if heavier toward goodness, then we will be incorporated into heaven, and it was forever. And if more weight toward evil, we will go to hell, and it's forever.

ok, that's some thought. But how do you go to heaven/hell then? In what state? Like do you keep your appearence of what was it in the moment of your  death or some significant moment of your life? If the first case is the right one, how do blown up or beheaded or in any other way mutilated victims go to heaven/hell? Or is it like a soul on itself but we see us as we want, what we see ourselves as through I life?

I'm not a religious person myself, but I'm really interested in the religion and it's beliefs that it preaches.

If you want to go to heaven, you must "always" do good in the world during your lifetime. Although all is not guarantee that you will go to heaven, but at least you've tried and tried to get into heaven.

Well, so while we were still in our mother's womb, in the content reaches 4 months of age, God breathed life to the fetus us. So we have a soul. And when we die, our souls will be out of our bodies "intact" even when our bodies die are not intact. And the soul that would later go to heaven / hell.

That's roughly outlined in Islam. Even more, my explanation is still lacking.

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You are sooo extremely informative.

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Indeed. Shame your too stubborn to listen. You'd learn a thing or two.

What you fail to realise is I'm actually following your logic.
You claim we cannot know what the sun is made of because we've never been there.
You claim we cannot know if blackholes are real because we've never been to one.
You claim we cannot know the world is millions of years old because we cannot go back in time to check.

Yet when I follow your logic with, "we cannot know what after death is like because we haven't died yet".... Oh dear, you quickley abandon your position and start hand wringing, puffing your chest in and out and get that funny knotty feeling in your tummy.  Cheesy



There is a dead body, and there is the remains of the spirit, etc.

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Guessing we actually have a spirit of course.


You tell us nothing.

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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

I already asked myself that question.

reincarnate, How could that be possible? If someone reincarnated in another body means that there is a soul?

Let's assume that everyone has soul, person X died in a car accident and saw another body and decided to occupy that other body Y, does this mean that the soul X will fight with the soul Y to occupy his body?

But if the body Y is of a baby who is only a few days old, how does the soul X (soul of an adult) go to occupy the body of a baby?

If we assume that each person has a soul, they also have to admit that there is heaven and hell, angels and demons. Yes, because does someone have to be responsible for guiding these souls and why has not a soul ever appeared to humans?

If a soul can occupy another body does it mean that souls can touch objects?

Can souls take revenge on who took their lives?

There are many more questions, but I believe the following:

People when they die do not come back, they do not reincarnate in other bodies... they just disappear.

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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.


It's called Hadith, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) told his fellows everything he saw or heard. And then his fellows transfered his sayings generation after generation, until came a great man called Al-imam Albukhari who gathered all those sayings in one book, he spent 16 years, gathering Al-Ahadith (the sayings of prophet Muhammed) from people's chests and hearts. That's how they knew about all of this.

Plus, that story as you call it, was a trial (a test) for both; fellows of the prophet and infidels of Quraysh. prophet Muhammed told them both about his journey to see who would believe him and most of Quraysh's infidels knew the truth (they knew that Prophet Muhammed would never lie), but they were too arrogant and stubborn to submit to it, that's how Islamic writers wrote about it.


So it is not even a hearsay.  Thanks for clearing it up.

What else could it be?

Children have dragons in their fairy tales you guys have a Baraq.

Anyway, I just hope you'll not hurt others who think your Islam is a bunch of horseshit.
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December 17, 2016, 01:40:47 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

My belief is that we are just energy particles. Upon our death and during the time of decomposition or burning, our energy particles move through the energy of the world we live in and move into other masses. These masses could be grass, insects, animals..... whatever. It is just energy particles. Upon the death of that object the energy particles separate and move into another object, thus the cycle repeats itself. This is why people have feelings of de-jav-u. Energy particles which have been linked and momentarily meet up.

I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I believe. Like it or not.... it works for me.
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

Every religion tells what's happening after one dies. That's why I didn't ask for religious beliefs.


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December 17, 2016, 03:45:15 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.




ahhaha That reminded me on the south park episode (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s07e12-all-about-mormons#source=6154fc40-b7a3-4387-94cc-fc42fc47376e:25eebc76-ed8e-11e0-aca6-0026b9414f30&position=12&sort=!airdate)
When the mormon family tells a story about the mormon fouunder.


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December 17, 2016, 03:52:31 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.


It's called Hadith, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) told his fellows everything he saw or heard. And then his fellows transfered his sayings generation after generation, until came a great man called Al-imam Albukhari who gathered all those sayings in one book, he spent 16 years, gathering Al-Ahadith (the sayings of prophet Muhammed) from people's chests and hearts. That's how they knew about all of this.

Plus, that story as you call it, was a trial (a test) for both; fellows of the prophet and infidels of Quraysh. prophet Muhammed told them both about his journey to see who would believe him and most of Quraysh's infidels knew the truth (they knew that Prophet Muhammed would never lie), but they were too arrogant and stubborn to submit to it, that's how Islamic writers wrote about it.


And you don't find that a little strange, hm? So, if I start a rumor that I've seen a superman while I was walking all alone in the middle of the night where no one else was around

                       - I was out in the woods, praying  I was
                         asking God if I should be a Protestant,
                         or a Catholic, or what? And suddenly
                         God and Jesus appeared before me.  And
                         they said I should start my own church,
                         because none of the others had it right.
                          And that's exactly how it happened.

                       - You see? You believe it now?

                       - Well yeah, sure. Why would he make that
                         up?

Familliar?




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December 17, 2016, 04:32:27 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

My belief is that we are just energy particles. Upon our death and during the time of decomposition or burning, our energy particles move through the energy of the world we live in and move into other masses. These masses could be grass, insects, animals..... whatever. It is just energy particles. Upon the death of that object the energy particles separate and move into another object, thus the cycle repeats itself. This is why people have feelings of de-jav-u. Energy particles which have been linked and momentarily meet up.

I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I believe. Like it or not.... it works for me.

That's the thinking I've asked for in this topic, thought that are different to the religious ones and unique. But I like to see deja vu like a checkpoint in game where you've died last time, so whenever I experience a case of deja vu i go "NICE! I've passed it thistime without dying." Cheesy


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December 17, 2016, 05:10:56 PM
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There's been a question that's been bugging me for a long, long time now. What happens when you die? From someones side nothing, other say that your go to their versions of heaven and yet some say that we reincarnate.

That thing got me so bad that a few time's I've been on the verge of killing myself just to see what's happening then, it's killing me to think about it. What are your thoughts? I'm not interested in the christian or virgin filled muslim heaven, I'm interested in your ideas and what are your ideas on what might happen? One theory that stuck with me is that we are born again but in the different time or just born in the same timeline but as soon as you die, you're reborn on some other place.
Oh dear, Tyrantt. Why did you jump to the conclusion Roll Eyes? What you said is what happens after the last/dooms/judgment day (that good people go to Heaven and bad ones be punished in Hell). So, until that day comes, dead people are still waiting for it.

Actually, Islam tells what happens after one's death; When someone is dying (either Muslim or Non-Muslim), his/her eyes always follow his/her soul after it's pulled out of his/her body (that's probably why most people stare after death). After that, the soul rise in the sky. While on the way to the last sky, the soul meets its ancestors who will ask it about what he/she did in life (whether he/she was good or bad), they will keep asking, even about the pet lived in that soul's house. If that soul was good, they would be proud of it, otherwise, they would be ashamed of him/her.

Then, when the body of the soul is buried/burnt/mummified/whatever, the soul will reside where the body/remnants is/are.
One will hear, see and speak as he did in life, but no one can hear/feel him/her. If one was good, he/she would see light. If one was bad, he/she would see darkness. He/She can also hear people around him/her (the living), he/she would say to his/her family and friends; O' family and friends, where did you put me? Why did you leave me here? Where are you going? (of course, no one can hear him/her)

Of course, there are some contexts that you wouldn't like (Muslim things, you know), so I won't write them. In brief, Until the day of resurrection, people's bodies and souls will be waiting to be resurrected to be judged.

PS: Gendre Equality is a little annoying here, but whatever.

And how did the Islamic writers know this?  They pulled this story straight out of their asses?
So the souls talk but nobody hears them, yet someone wrote that they talk?

It is like the story of Muhammed who flew to heaven in the middle of the night, and nobody saw it, but someone wrote about it.


It's called Hadith, prophet Muhammed (pbuh) told his fellows everything he saw or heard. And then his fellows transfered his sayings generation after generation, until came a great man called Al-imam Albukhari who gathered all those sayings in one book, he spent 16 years, gathering Al-Ahadith (the sayings of prophet Muhammed) from people's chests and hearts. That's how they knew about all of this.

Plus, that story as you call it, was a trial (a test) for both; fellows of the prophet and infidels of Quraysh. prophet Muhammed told them both about his journey to see who would believe him and most of Quraysh's infidels knew the truth (they knew that Prophet Muhammed would never lie), but they were too arrogant and stubborn to submit to it, that's how Islamic writers wrote about it.


And you don't find that a little strange, hm? So, if I start a rumor that I've seen a superman while I was walking all alone in the middle of the night where no one else was around

                       - I was out in the woods, praying  I was
                         asking God if I should be a Protestant,
                         or a Catholic, or what? And suddenly
                         God and Jesus appeared before me.  And
                         they said I should start my own church,
                         because none of the others had it right.
                          And that's exactly how it happened.

                       - You see? You believe it now?

                       - Well yeah, sure. Why would he make that
                         up?

Familliar?


One of the best blessings we all have regarding Islam is, the Koran and Hadiths were written down. Why is this a blessing? Because in-depth study of the writings shows that Islam is a religion of wealth-through-violence. Here's what I mean.

If you want to make money, you need organization. Seldom does money just fall into a person's lap. A religious government is a great way to set up an organized structure for making money.

Properly used, fear can be a strong motivator. Islam essentially says that every peaceful person, in times of peace, who is other than a Muslim, must be given a chance to turn to Islam. If, after an unspecified time, he doesn't turn, his Islamic friends and neighbors are supposed to turn on him and kill him. This helps Islam to grow... growth by fear.

If a Muslim leaves the Islamic faith, he is to be executed, like, immediately. The fear of friends turning on friends keeps Muslims firmly embedded in the Muslim worship and practices, which includes paying taxes to the Islamic clerics. So, the money-making, fear scheme of Islam grows.

Stockholm Syndrome sets in among Muslims at an early age. They don't realize that their feelings of freedom that they might have are based on a fear of death at the hands of their friends. Because of this, they are fanatically loyal to their religion.

The mild Islamic groups like the Sunni's simply have gone untended to a great extent. They are among the weakest of the true Islamic followers. Groups like ISIS, while being great among Islamic followers, are often over-zealous in their attempts to purge even weak Muslims from the ranks of Islam, and regarding their religion, do more harm than good.

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