Antminer L3 - 250mh - 400watt Scrypt miner coming soon

[Searing]

Bitmain flooding out L3 units might not be as big an issue as folks think - they appear to be having the same "can't get enough chips on a regular basis" issue that they have had all along on the S9.

 I do wonder though if Innosilicon is working on a "second gen 14/16nm" chip design.

I hope so...my knc titan's are dead man walking then if not..........whatever keeps the 'hangman' away.


By the By WHAT CHIPS ARE USED IN THE Bitmain L3 250mh 400 watt scrypt miner?

are they the same as in the Innsilicon A4 miner? Curious. IF not type/brand/etc

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[usao]

OP said:
Processor Type:BM1485
Cant be A4 chips as these run 400W compared to 1050W for the A4...

[Searing]

OP said:
Processor Type:BM1485
Cant be A4 chips as these run 400W compared to 1050W for the A4...

Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units. Just the guts different
as they decide the design of either/or?

Currently I assume BM 1485 is top chip option if above is so?

Also does Bitmain make these chips also or farms them out?

[Longsnowsm]

The L3 chips don't look anything like the Inno chip.  So I don't think there is any cross development going on there.  

Inno may not need a new chip.  When they demonstrated the A4 chip it was capable of some really good numbers as a stand alone chip.  So they may just need to rework the board or software to get the performance out of the miner.  I certainly don't know if that is their plan or what they are going to do.  

I would like to see Inno get it figured out so we have competition in this space at the very least.  Being left with only Bitmain as a choice is not a good position to be in.  

[Longsnowsm]

OP said:
Processor Type:BM1485
Cant be A4 chips as these run 400W compared to 1050W for the A4...

Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units. Just the guts different
as they decide the design of either/or?

Currently I assume BM 1485 is top chip option if above is so?

Also does Bitmain make these chips also or farms them out?

I think Bitmain makes these chips.  I don't know for sure.  It is odd however that Inno stated there would be no competition for 3 months.  I don't know how they would know that.  They stated that in Dec.  So it does raise some questions.

[felix73]

 my antminer l3-- five units ... fantastic work and income
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=miners&addr=17wQawxk5EYXTNQSnrTPP8y9J7jL2pFMnF&a=3&l=1

[usao]

my antminer l3-- five units ... fantastic work and income
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=miners&addr=17wQawxk5EYXTNQSnrTPP8y9J7jL2pFMnF&a=3&l=1

Nice, where did you get yours?

[lokomotive]

Your profit looks good because there is big increase in Nicehash payouts. As you can seee from whattomine. Nicehash pays now most of all.

[ATCkit]

my antminer l3-- five units ... fantastic work and income
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=miners&addr=17wQawxk5EYXTNQSnrTPP8y9J7jL2pFMnF&a=3&l=1

Nice, where did you get yours?

Maybe he bought it here?

https://asic24.ru/maynery-scrypt/pod-zakaz-antminer-l3-scrypt-miner-250-280-mhs--blok-pitaniya/

Anyone know this Russian company's reputation? Do they ship to North America?

EDIT: Forget 24ASIC. Appears to be a scam according this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1735784.msg17371470#msg17371470

[QuintLeo]

Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units.

 No, those are different chips - they may have similar interface though, like the Innosilicon A1 and A2 did.

 Bitmain designs it's own chips, but uses TSMC (IIRC) to manufacture them.


 There are only 2 companies in the world with fabs that can do the actual manufacture of 14nm/16nm node semiconductors.
 TSMC and GlobalFounderies.

 (Intel MIGHT be a third, but if so ALL of their capasity is used internally).

 Due to the agreements involved in how GlobalFounderies came to exist, a large part of their capasity is "spoken for" by AMD and IBM.
 TSMC seems to have some sort of a co-development agreement with Samsung that causes some of their capasity to be "spoken for".

 Both make and sell to everyone else out of what is "left over".

[Longsnowsm]

2 more batches of the S9 posted today... STILL NO L3's listed yet.  Quite strange.  The S9 batches won't ship until 1 March time frame.  

[Searing]

Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units.

 No, those are different chips - they may have similar interface though, like the Innosilicon A1 and A2 did.

 Bitmain designs it's own chips, but uses TSMC (IIRC) to manufacture them.


 There are only 2 companies in the world with fabs that can do the actual manufacture of 14nm/16nm node semiconductors.
 TSMC and GlobalFounderies.

 (Intel MIGHT be a third, but if so ALL of their capasity is used internally).

 Due to the agreements involved in how GlobalFounderies came to exist, a large part of their capasity is "spoken for" by AMD and IBM.
 TSMC seems to have some sort of a co-development agreement with Samsung that causes some of their capasity to be "spoken for".

 Both make and sell to everyone else out of what is "left over".

kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)

And the labs above they make these chips (regardless of my question above) for Bitmain specific? I think I have that part right.

Anyway just was curious if the BM 1485 in the LTC machines is the superior to the BM 1385 in the BTC machines and thus you would see the BM 1485
(if by number) the more advanced pop up in the BTC miners too eventually as the next step up....ie asic chips able to be designed to be used in either
BTC miners or LTC miners

thanks

2 more batches of the S9 posted today... STILL NO L3's listed yet.  Quite strange.  The S9 batches won't ship until 1 March time frame.   

Not strange if Bitmain is gonna put them out in stages and mine the hell out of them in their data halls first...just saying ....dribbling them out to keep
the difficulty low (I mean why P*ss in your own pool ..difficulty rise wise)

Hope it so ...my 'terminal knc titans' would be able to 'zombie along' a bit longer

[AmDD]

Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units.

 No, those are different chips - they may have similar interface though, like the Innosilicon A1 and A2 did.

 Bitmain designs it's own chips, but uses TSMC (IIRC) to manufacture them.


 There are only 2 companies in the world with fabs that can do the actual manufacture of 14nm/16nm node semiconductors.
 TSMC and GlobalFounderies.

 (Intel MIGHT be a third, but if so ALL of their capasity is used internally).

 Due to the agreements involved in how GlobalFounderies came to exist, a large part of their capasity is "spoken for" by AMD and IBM.
 TSMC seems to have some sort of a co-development agreement with Samsung that causes some of their capasity to be "spoken for".

 Both make and sell to everyone else out of what is "left over".

kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)

And the labs above they make these chips (regardless of my question above) for Bitmain specific? I think I have that part right.

Anyway just was curious if the BM 1485 in the LTC machines is the superior to the BM 1385 in the BTC machines and thus you would see the BM 1485
(if by number) the more advanced pop up in the BTC miners too eventually as the next step up....ie asic chips able to be designed to be used in either
BTC miners or LTC miners

thanks

2 more batches of the S9 posted today... STILL NO L3's listed yet.  Quite strange.  The S9 batches won't ship until 1 March time frame.   

Not strange if Bitmain is gonna put them out in stages and mine the hell out of them in their data halls first...just saying ....dribbling them out to keep
the difficulty low (I mean why P*ss in your own pool ..difficulty rise wise)

Hope it so ...my 'terminal knc titans' would be able to 'zombie along' a bit longer

They cant use the BM1485 in the Bitcoin ASICS because the 1485 can only mine Scrypt. Sme for the BM1385 which can only mine SHA-256 and therefor will only be used in their Bitcoin miners.

[QuintLeo]

kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)

 The BM 1485 is Scrypt specific.


 The ONLY company that ever made chips that could do both Scrypt and SHA256 was Gridseed (SFards was the merger of GridSeed and WiBox).
 Their first chip (the  GC3355) persisted in Scrypt for a long time due to very little competition and to Scrypt being a more complicated algorytmn that could not be sped up as much by semiconductor process improvements as SHA256 could.
 They VERY quickly became obsolete in SHA256 usage because they were surpassed very quickly by a LOT - the second chip they did was already behind the SHA256 curve when they released it.
 That second chip never made an impact in Scrypt because the MINER it was sold in was total junk design at the board level and badly overpriced, and appears to have only had one batch ever manufactured for sale.



 I suspect there are no L3's posted to the Bitmain US site because they've already sold out on the ones they made from their first batch of chips, and they're in "have to wait" mode for the second batch of chips.
 Litecoin difficulty has been VERY flat the last couple weeks indicating very few if any new machines being sold to ANYONE.

[Searing]

kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)

 The BM 1485 is Scrypt specific.


 The ONLY company that ever made chips that could do both Scrypt and SHA256 was Gridseed (SFards was the merger of GridSeed and WiBox).
 Their first chip (the  GC3355) persisted in Scrypt for a long time due to very little competition and to Scrypt being a more complicated algorytmn that could not be sped up as much by semiconductor process improvements as SHA256 could.
 They VERY quickly became obsolete in SHA256 usage because they were surpassed very quickly by a LOT - the second chip they did was already behind the SHA256 curve when they released it.
 That second chip never made an impact in Scrypt because the MINER it was sold in was total junk design at the board level and badly overpriced, and appears to have only had one batch ever manufactured for sale.



 I suspect there are no L3's posted to the Bitmain US site because they've already sold out on the ones they made from their first batch of chips, and they're in "have to wait" mode for the second batch of chips.
 Litecoin difficulty has been VERY flat the last couple weeks indicating very few if any new machines being sold to ANYONE.

You could very well be correct. Bitmain fills up its own data halls first and the big data halls in china etc...to test the waters.....then blamo the L4 will be huge, bigger, badder
pop that after this big L3 difficulty wave crashes over....

Anyway if I ran an 'evil asic empire' how I'd do it ...me first ...dribble out rest left over....

Well if their are 'plateau's' due to them putting them out in 'stages' to keep difficulty manageable for their own farms....that would be great..maybe my 'zombie' knc Titans
could lurch ..zombie like ...past July 2017 (dare to dream)

[lokomotive]

kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)

 The BM 1485 is Scrypt specific.


 The ONLY company that ever made chips that could do both Scrypt and SHA256 was Gridseed (SFards was the merger of GridSeed and WiBox).
 Their first chip (the  GC3355) persisted in Scrypt for a long time due to very little competition and to Scrypt being a more complicated algorytmn that could not be sped up as much by semiconductor process improvements as SHA256 could.
 They VERY quickly became obsolete in SHA256 usage because they were surpassed very quickly by a LOT - the second chip they did was already behind the SHA256 curve when they released it.
 That second chip never made an impact in Scrypt because the MINER it was sold in was total junk design at the board level and badly overpriced, and appears to have only had one batch ever manufactured for sale.



 I suspect there are no L3's posted to the Bitmain US site because they've already sold out on the ones they made from their first batch of chips, and they're in "have to wait" mode for the second batch of chips.
 Litecoin difficulty has been VERY flat the last couple weeks indicating very few if any new machines being sold to ANYONE.

Diff was flat becuase big ammount of has was moved to one other coin.

[Longsnowsm]

Something I just noticed today is the copyright at the bottom of the screen on my L3's.  The miner software is copyright 2013-2014.  So it would seem that Bitmain has been sitting on the scrypt mining software for a while.  Just thought I would pass that along as food for thought.   

[wlefever]

Something I just noticed today is the copyright at the bottom of the screen on my L3's.  The miner software is copyright 2013-2014.  So it would seem that Bitmain has been sitting on the scrypt mining software for a while.  Just thought I would pass that along as food for thought.   

They probably mined in house with the L1 all these years. Figures.

[HagssFIN]

Something I just noticed today is the copyright at the bottom of the screen on my L3's.  The miner software is copyright 2013-2014.  So it would seem that Bitmain has been sitting on the scrypt mining software for a while.  Just thought I would pass that along as food for thought.  

They just have not bothered to change that.
Even my S9s and R4s say the same.

[ps_jb]

They just have not bothered to change that.
Even my S9s and R4s say the same.

Does it affect the mining stability and hash rate?