Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[LMGTFY]

I had 1-minute charts open for OKCoin, Finex and Stamp, and the latter two definitely followed. Not saying OKCoin necessarily led, but it definitely looked to me like BTC/CNY leading BTC/USD.

It's ridiculous to follow the Chinese exchanges with their tiny walls. Of course the NLC team is going to dump its two coins there and drop the price by ten dollars. How does it work, really?

It's useful if you get a few seconds/minutes advance notice of what's about to happen over on Finex and Stamp...

I don't have the guts to trade BTC-proper - I know from bitter experience that I'm part of the reason exchange owners make money - but I do occasionally dabble with options. Yesterday I had enough time to take out a long straddle at 280 (profit if BTC/USD went beyond ~290, profit if it dropped below ~270) before the USD exchanges properly reacted. I didn't get a chance to repeat the trick at 270, because that time round the CNY exchanges gave no early indication.

[dreamspark]

I had 1-minute charts open for OKCoin, Finex and Stamp, and the latter two definitely followed. Not saying OKCoin necessarily led, but it definitely looked to me like BTC/CNY leading BTC/USD.

It's ridiculous to follow the Chinese exchanges with their tiny walls. Of course the NLC team is going to dump its two coins there and drop the price by ten dollars. How does it work, really?

You do know that OKC only shows 5% of its order book to avoid 'price manipulation'

Please tell me you're not an actual trader without knowing this.

[bad trader]

I had 1-minute charts open for OKCoin, Finex and Stamp, and the latter two definitely followed. Not saying OKCoin necessarily led, but it definitely looked to me like BTC/CNY leading BTC/USD.

It's ridiculous to follow the Chinese exchanges with their tiny walls. Of course the NLC team is going to dump its two coins there and drop the price by ten dollars. How does it work, really?

It's useful if you get a few seconds/minutes advance notice of what's about to happen over on Finex and Stamp...

Yes, but why does it happen? Traders do not follow BTC-e around much, although they have tiny walls too.

[LMGTFY]

I had 1-minute charts open for OKCoin, Finex and Stamp, and the latter two definitely followed. Not saying OKCoin necessarily led, but it definitely looked to me like BTC/CNY leading BTC/USD.

It's ridiculous to follow the Chinese exchanges with their tiny walls. Of course the NLC team is going to dump its two coins there and drop the price by ten dollars. How does it work, really?

It's useful if you get a few seconds/minutes advance notice of what's about to happen over on Finex and Stamp...

Yes, but why does it happen? Traders do not follow BTC-e around much, although they have tiny walls too.

Volume (fake or otherwise) is my guess. It's easier to dump into an exchange with high (or at least, consistent) volume.

[dreamspark]

I had 1-minute charts open for OKCoin, Finex and Stamp, and the latter two definitely followed. Not saying OKCoin necessarily led, but it definitely looked to me like BTC/CNY leading BTC/USD.

It's ridiculous to follow the Chinese exchanges with their tiny walls. Of course the NLC team is going to dump its two coins there and drop the price by ten dollars. How does it work, really?

It's useful if you get a few seconds/minutes advance notice of what's about to happen over on Finex and Stamp...

Yes, but why does it happen? Traders do not follow BTC-e around much, although they have tiny walls too.

Volume (fake or otherwise) is my guess. It's easier to dump into an exchange with high (or at least, consistent) volume.

Because as I just said above its nothing to do with how big or small your walls are.

1) If you look at bid/ask support to base your trade decisions on quit trading right now, yesterday was a perfect example of this.  The Finex books have been stuffed with big bids above $270 for a week or so. All of a sudden thousands of btc in bids gets pulled and the price dumps. Happens all the time.

2) OKcoin only shows 5% of its books if it showed it all you would see very large walls.

3) Yes volume and the fact its the market leading exchange, most the time all the other exchanges are being dragged around by China, it's been this way for a long time.

Note, a large majority of western traders also trade on chinese exchanges due to their low fees, higher liquidity and better order options.

[bad trader]

You do know that OKC only shows 5% of its order book to avoid 'price manipulation'

Please tell me you're not an actual trader without knowing this.

The walls they do show are pretty low.

[LMGTFY]

Because as I just said above its nothing to do with how big or small your walls are.

1) If you look at bid/ask support to base your trade decisions on quit trading right now, yesterday was a perfect example of this.  The Finex books have been stuffed with big bids above $270 for a week or so. All of a sudden thousands of btc in bids gets pulled and the price dumps. Happens all the time.

2) OKcoin only shows 5% of its books if it showed it all you would see very large walls.

3) Yes volume and the fact its the market leading exchange, most the time all the other exchanges are being dragged around by China, it's been this way for a long time.

Note, a large majority of western traders also trade on chinese exchanges due to their low fees, higher liquidity and better order options.

I didn't trade on Gox (well, not since 2011) but I followed their BTC/USD exclusively until it became obvious something was badly wrong. It was around then I realised that BTC/CNY volume was higher than BTC/USD, and I started following various Chinese exchanges (I understand the arguments about fake volume - I just don't think they're relevant for my purposes.) These days I tend to follow OKCoin for that reason, and Finex and Stamp because any trading I do is likely to be in BTC/USD!

You mention Western traders trading on Chinese exchanges - any recommendations? Even for somewhere online such traders hang out...

[bad trader]

OKCoin volume is pretty fake. It's funny to watch the Chinese exchanges trade at high volume without moving the price against much lower walls. And then suddenly there is a market buy or sell, and the price moves breaking through the walls, but the volume is still comparable to the earlier volumes with no movement. I guess those are the moments when an actual real trade happens.

[eerygarden]

totally awesome of bitfinex to refuse to file a $5000 NY bitlicense thus cutting off all people in the finance capital of fucking america and instigating +/-$300,000,000 in btc market devaluation

Gemini is coming.

Waiting for Gemini is like being a prostitute that needs to service a 95 year old man who forgot his viagra.

I am struggling to relate, but I guess we all have different experiences to draw on

There is always plenty of work going spare if you would like to get yourself some hands on experience.

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[Fatman3001]

totally awesome of bitfinex to refuse to file a $5000 NY bitlicense thus cutting off all people in the finance capital of fucking america and instigating +/-$300,000,000 in btc market devaluation

Gemini is coming.

Waiting for Gemini is like being a prostitute that needs to service a 95 year old man who forgot his viagra.

I am struggling to relate, but I guess we all have different experiences to draw on

There is always plenty of work going spare if you would like to get yourself some hands on experience.

I'll keep that in mind if we hit double digits.

[AirFlame]

Yea... fake walls have been here for awhile. Thats why You dont make Your directions watching the bid/ask. In my opinion its not over yer. We will see $250 then goes to $220 soon.

[gentlemand]

Kraken says goodbye to New Yorkers too.

http://blog.kraken.com/post/126244351097/farewell-new-york

That only leaves Bitstamp out of the large Westernish exchanges who intend to apply.

[hdbuck]

muahahah bitlicense XD


screw you new yorkers and your wall street scammers. bitcoin aint bowing for your "regulation".

[Fakhoury]

Kraken says goodbye to New Yorkers too.

http://blog.kraken.com/post/126244351097/farewell-new-york

That only leaves Bitstamp out of the large Westernish exchanges who intend to apply.

Nejc Kodrič on Twitter: Bitstamp is applying for Bitlicense.

https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/630309296245489664

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[cyclotronmajesty]

muahahah bitlicense XD


screw you new yorkers and your wall street scammers. bitcoin aint bowing for your "regulation".

Why compete with Gemini anyway? This I think is more the reason than anything else. Also New York traders taking over may be another concern. Besides they can still trade... they just have to remain anonymous and not do direct deposits.

[gentlemand]

Why compete with Gemini anyway? This I think is more the reason than anything else. Also New York traders taking over may be another concern.

Gemini needs to exist before it can be competed with. Itbit is safer and more regulated than any other exchange out there for a US customer. It hasn't set the world on fire yet.

[Fakhoury]

[wakasaki808]

if u plan on catching a pump u have to get the low and u will only have one chance