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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 4 (3%)
<$6,500 - 7 (5.3%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.8%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.5%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.3%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (4.5%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (9.1%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (9.8%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 7 (5.3%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (4.5%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (8.3%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 13 (9.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
>$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
$20,000 - 9 (6.8%)
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January 23, 2019, 08:19:35 AM

Yet you try to use those to disprove a completely different claim that you have made up (and constantly keep changing with new examples). All while trying to portray me as some kind of inhumane devil.

The point I am making, which you seem to be incapable of understanding, is that it is often outside of the power of the victim to change their circumstances.  Because they are a fucking slave.  

And there are relatively easy ways for us as Westerners to improve their situation.  But the ethos I see constantly repeated on this board (Ibian being a classic example) is that we shouldn't try, even if it is in our own interest to do so.  And I find that disgusting.  
You have not even managed to identify the biggest western problems. Slavery in shithole countries is not among them.
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January 23, 2019, 08:21:46 AM

Quantify it in numbers and actions. What's your plan? What will it cost? What will the tangible benefits to us, not them, be?

Ok 50 people on chairs to properly enforce modern slavery act in the UK, including legals and enforcement.  Call it a budget of £25 million.

Start with basic shit like making sure British Airways isn't using Chinese prison labour to clean their airline headphones (happens alot).

Cost to BA:  exactly the same, because the profits were just going into the prison's superintendent's pocket.  BA wasn't getting the work any cheaper, if anything quality was probably down.  

Benefits:  some poor schmo in China is now getting paid properly to clean those airline headphones, and immediately spends that money on rice.  China is a big importer of rice from shitholes like Pakistan and Vietnam.  Those countries then get richer.  Some guy in Pakistan that was going to be a suicide bomber now has a job as a rice farmer, so he doesn't blow up the Danish embassy.  

Of course I made all that shit up but the basic principles are there.  We all benefit from tiny efforts to help those in need, even if it isn't immediately obvious.  

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January 23, 2019, 08:24:38 AM

Quantify it in numbers and actions. What's your plan? What will it cost? What will the tangible benefits to us, not them, be?

Ok 50 people on chairs to properly enforce modern slavery act in the UK, including legals and enforcement.  Call it a budget of £25 million.

Start with basic shit like making sure British Airways isn't using Chinese prison labour to clean their airline headphones (happens alot).

Cost to BA:  exactly the same, because the profits were just going into the prison's superintendent's pocket.  BA wasn't getting the work any cheaper, if anything quality was probably down.  

Benefits:  some poor schmo in China is now getting paid properly to clean those airline headphones, and immediately spends that money on rice.  China is a big importer of rice from shitholes like Pakistan and Vietnam.  Those countries then get richer.  Some guy in Pakistan that was going to be a suicide bomber now has a job as a rice farmer, so he doesn't blow up the Danish embassy.  

Of course I made all that shit up but the basic principles are there.  We all benefit from tiny efforts to help those in need, even if it isn't immediately obvious.  


And this is where you need to prove that actual slavery happens in the UK, if you have decided that shithole countries are no longer your focus. Assertions with no evidence can be discarded with no evidence.
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January 23, 2019, 08:25:13 AM

Yet you try to use those to disprove a completely different claim that you have made up (and constantly keep changing with new examples). All while trying to portray me as some kind of inhumane devil.

The point I am making, which you seem to be incapable of understanding, is that it is often outside of the power of the victim to change their circumstances.  Because they are a fucking slave.  

And there are relatively easy ways for us as Westerners to improve their situation.  But the ethos I see constantly repeated on this board (Ibian being a classic example) is that we shouldn't try, even if it is in our own interest to do so.  And I find that disgusting.  
You have not even managed to identify the biggest western problems. Slavery in shithole countries is not among them.

USA has 400,000 slaves, shit country.  9,000 people in Denmark in slavery - shitty place.  Canada, 17,000 slaves.  Cold and shit.  Australia, 15,000 slaves.  Warm and shit.  Switzerland, 14,000 slaves.  Chocolate and shit.  Etc.  

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January 23, 2019, 08:26:10 AM

And this is where you need to prove that actual slavery happens in the UK, if you have decided that shithole countries are no longer your focus. Assertions with no evidence can be discarded with no evidence.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/methodology/overview/

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all forms of slavery or practices similar to slavery, such as the sale and trafficking of children, debt bondage and serfdom and forced or compulsory labour, including forced or compulsory recruitment of children for use in armed conflict;
the use, procuring or offering of a child for prostitution, for the production of pornography, or for pornographic performances;
the use, procuring or offering of a child for illicit activities, in particular for the production and trafficking of drugs as defined in the relevant international treaties;
work which, by its nature or the circumstances in which it is carried out, is likely to harm the health, safety or morals of children.

Jayme Closs in the USA would be the quintessential example.  https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/jayme-closs-case-moment-by-moment/index.html
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January 23, 2019, 08:31:26 AM

Yet you try to use those to disprove a completely different claim that you have made up (and constantly keep changing with new examples). All while trying to portray me as some kind of inhumane devil.

The point I am making, which you seem to be incapable of understanding, is that it is often outside of the power of the victim to change their circumstances.  Because they are a fucking slave.  

And there are relatively easy ways for us as Westerners to improve their situation.  But the ethos I see constantly repeated on this board (Ibian being a classic example) is that we shouldn't try, even if it is in our own interest to do so.  And I find that disgusting.  
You have not even managed to identify the biggest western problems. Slavery in shithole countries is not among them.

USA has 400,000 slaves, shit country.  9,000 people in Denmark in slavery - shitty place.  Canada, 17,000 slaves.  Cold and shit.  Australia, 15,000 slaves.  Warm and shit.  Switzerland, 14,000 slaves.  Chocolate and shit.  Etc.  
Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.
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January 23, 2019, 08:34:35 AM

Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.

Read the website yourself



https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/
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January 23, 2019, 08:36:51 AM

Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.

Read the website yourself



https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.
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January 23, 2019, 08:37:15 AM

If the only advocacy you are doing is typing on a bitcoin speculation thread, then its probably about as an inefficient of an advocacy campaign as you could possible choose to do with your time. Thats why it comes across (and seems more likely to be) much more of depression-like complaining, pontificating and lamenting.

Yeah my local politician is sick of my phone calls.  He is also sick of my fund raising for the other side because he isnt doing shit.  With any luck he will be out of a job next election.  
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January 23, 2019, 08:41:58 AM

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

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Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf
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January 23, 2019, 08:43:28 AM

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

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Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf
Finish the current argument before moving on. Does a bank loan make you a slave, yes or no?
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January 23, 2019, 08:53:07 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
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January 23, 2019, 08:54:39 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?
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January 23, 2019, 08:58:35 AM

Name me one example in which you will see strictly better results by complaining than by thinking up different potential solutions. You can't. Because complaining is a destructive force with a net effect that is either zero or negative.

What you call "complaining" I call advocacy.  And advocacy works.  We wouldn't have the UK modern slavery laws without advocacy.  

Making it illegal for Western companies to profit from slavery is highly effective, because the directors go directly to jail.  And guess what, company directors sit up in their chairs and pay attention when you say "if you don't do X, you will go to jail".   Then the directors tell their C-suite, "don't fuck up on X, or I will fire you without hesitation".  Those are real results, in real time.  

That is one you will see strictly better results by "complaining" rather than blaming the victim.  

Because what you are doing is blaming the slave for being a slave.  And that achieves nothing.  People like you avoid having to take responsibility for anything by always blaming the victim.  "If he wasn't such a dissident, he wouldn't have gone to Chinese prison camp". 

well stated. btw complaining about others complaining is... complaining.  Cheesy
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If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.
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January 23, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.
Where on that site do they specify that they do not count bank loans as slavery?
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January 23, 2019, 09:12:02 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

There are no yes or no answers, Ibian.

For the most part, the world does not work like that.   Tongue Tongue Cheesy Cheesy
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January 23, 2019, 09:14:07 AM

*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

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I think that's a reasonable goal.
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Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.

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Debt bondage is a status or condition, where one person has pledged their labour or service (or that of someone under their control), in circumstances where the fair value of that labour or service is not reasonably applied to reducing the debt or length of debt, or the length and nature of the service is not limited or defined.

If you are not working for the owner of the debt, it’s not debt bondage.   Your bank does not determine your wage.
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