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$10 by EOD.
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$10 by EOD.

Don't be silly. $10? No! Back below $42k, easily. And certainly, we know that regardless of the immediate ups and downs, we're heading lower because the federal reserve has, effectively, determined it. The period of appropriate interest rate increases and tapering guarantee that bitcoin's price cannot sustainably grow from here, which is how we know over the next year and beyond prices will go lower.
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Bitcoiners (or even cryptards) that really cling to this notion of bitcoin as an "investment" have the wrong mindset.

Instead when they think of bitcoin, it should be of putting money in their "bank".

That way, the idea of cashing out or liquidating at some future point becomes completely meaningless, and time becomes inconsequential.

"Yeah, I'm putting money in my bank today, with the plan of taking it all out after the next 4 years."

"I need to know when to liquidate my bank account at the next top."

"When do I sell all in my bank account?"

See? Why would you do that? Makes no sense.

Sounds like making various distinctions without a difference.

Bitcoin can surely be thought of as an investment... and a superior way to hold your value.

However since bitcoin has tended to be volatile as fuck, you gotta be careful in terms of putting too much of your value into it... you have to make sure that you can manage your cashflow and expenses which surely is going to vary from person to person... and not everyone is going to have a lot of spare cashflow that they can invest or save unless s/he has his/her shit together... and has figured out ways to live within his/her means.. and not too have too much drama in terms of not having a variety of ways to spend in the event that emergency financial situations come.... which is more likely if any of us is not keeping value in a variety of places (and even have built up enough surplus value) to be able to have options in the case that cash is needed... to be able to eat, keep a roof over our heads (including various utility bills), transportation, taxes, socializing expenses, and other expenses that normal people have.



I don't think what I wrote disagrees with anything you say. It's a riff on the increasing futility of analysis for trading, particularly in the short term. Though it may have applicability to some longer term factors too as once they become known and recognized. For example, halving effects become increasingly well known and compensated for and the nature of Bitcoin's bubble mean that fewer people now fall for the FOMO so the boom is less boomy and the bust less miserable.

We seem way too early in our adoption level (still likely less than 1% of the world's population) to be proclaiming that bitcoin is becoming mature enough to no longer have severe FOMO episodes.

Of course, growing market cap does cause bitcoin to be way more difficult to accomplish 100x runs in a year.. and for sure we know that BTC already had a few 100x runs that would could go back and measure.

So, I am tentatively considering that Bitcoin's max market cap is something like 1,000x gold's market cap, which would be about 10,000x from today, and which would be around $1 quadrillion dollars.  However, I will qualify my statement by acknowledging and recognizing that certain kinds of technological innovations (and bitcoin and various supporting projects that build around it) are likely going to contribute towards the increasing of potential values beyond $1quadrillion (even talking in the value of today's dollars and not referring to some future inflation that is inevitable with the dollar and other fiats).

Meantime we should be warming up the pictures of trains. I think we have seen the bottom last month.....


That is a nice bottom. I mean the sub 30k bottom we had....



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Huh?  This time around we ONLY got down to $32,951.. so there was no sub $30k bottom.... this time around.

Of course, in May/June/July we had sub $30k.. but that's becoming old news quite soon.. and it seems that if we are able to get above $46k for maybe a couple of days.. then that may well be enough to proclaim that the "bottom is in" - even though it does seem that quite a few members are coming over to the side of the bottom is already "in" under current conditions, and they may well be correct about that?  

For sure, we seem to have a decent amount of UPpity momentum that makes it more difficult to reverse if the momentum starts to gain staying power.. even though with our having have had touched upon $44,524 within the past couple of hours (and looks like wanting to revisit getting above that price level, as I type) we are still about 35% within reach of our current $32,951 bottom from January 24.

I have some difficulties imagining BTC prices going straight above $50k without some kind of meaningful correction along the way; however, many of us know that bitcoin can end up getting into a kind of punishment mode (which means going up without correction and to punish those who either waited to buy BTC, bet against BTC or failed/refused to adequately prepare for UP).. and surely, it seems that conditions could be fairly ripe for the happening of such a punishment mode.. where a lot of folks had got caught up into beliefs about down scenarios (or down before UP), giving up on BTC going up, failing/refusing to adequately prepare for UP, and also starting to not only increase their shorts but to continue to place new shorts as the BTC price goes up.. so yeah.. these ways of thinking about bitcoin and these kinds of behaviors in managing bitcoin holding (including trading) can contribute towards providing ongoing UPpity fuel... seems to me... seems to me... no one likes the snot-nosed 14-year old brat getting rich too quickly, and several of those 14-year olds have already been shaken out.

By the way, I know quite a few of us regular WO members have been fantasizing about a $10k + daily green candle, and it would be nice to get one at this time..and it would not even need to come exactly on the daily.. even though it would be more clear to see it that way.. and such a thing, at this time, would surely reck quite a few fence-sitters, those who have failed/refused to adequately prepare themselves for UP (should I mention any names here?), bitcoin naysayers (and hopefully shitcoin pumpeners, too).
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What is going to happen when the money starts to pour into bitcoin from people all over the world realizing that all the pillars of society are crumbling including the financial realm.

Gofundme is teaching the masses about financial sovereignty and trusted third parties BIG TIME right now.

The Bitcoin ecosystem in on the brink of it's biggest stress test so far.

Is it ready?

No, of course it's not ready! Whatever happens will only add to the decade of well-established history of buckling under pressure. That's why I'm patiently accumulating the only store of value guaranteed to be worth at least something into the future -- USD in my safe, federally insured, low yield savings account and stocks. The bitcoin experiment has only proved that there is no other way to financial security one can count on into the future.

Muahahahahaha  Grin  I guess now it's pretty obvious Proud Honey is a bitcoin bull and a HODLer trolling us to death with his pseudo-bearish posts.  Grin
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Meantime we should be warming up the pictures of trains. I think we have seen the bottom last month.....



Mighty fine bottom I should say...  Cool
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Maybe the better current question is not whether the "bottom is in," but instead did you sufficiently and adequately fill up your bags, just in case (as insurance) just in case the bottom is actually in?
I missed the bottom, but when it was $35k I did stash some with spare cash. Watching at $44,440 feel good again. Hopefully we are running towards $60 again.

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but with any of us, we can presume that we have ongoing cashflow coming in, so what do we do with the ongoing cashflow?  Do we want to or need to still invest in bitcoin with some of that?  Multi-million dollar question, no?
I can speak for me and the answer is I still do DCA. But I push myself a bit, by using spare cash when I see the market is falling. From last few months I am using a portion of my corns for trading. I would not say that I made much profit but I am learning the game.
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We seem way too early in our adoption level (still likely less than 1% of the world's population) to be proclaiming that bitcoin is becoming mature enough to no longer have severe FOMO episodes.

That depends on your definition of severe, of course. I may just be being over-hopeful but it seems that the long winter where we trundled along in the low-hundreds with the occasional hopeful sign quickly pummeled even lower may not repeat itself that badly. Then again, I felt the other way about six months ago but was proven wrong. Have to adapt to the circumstances, however (though the underlying truth that Bitcoin is currently cheap still applies).
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Keep it going, i will have to support and replace my wife in our household in the next few days because she is about to get to the peak of her Omicron infection (tested positive today).
Cheers!

Easy there! No need to replace her just yet, I'm sure she'll recover nicely.
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Maybe the better current question is not whether the "bottom is in," but instead did you sufficiently and adequately fill up your bags, just in case (as insurance) just in case the bottom is actually in?
I missed the bottom, but when it was $35k I did stash some with spare cash. Watching at $44,440 feel good again. Hopefully we are running towards $60 again.

I doubt that any of us are going to be able to exactly time any bottom with very much precision, and surely anyone who bought in the $33k to $38k price arena should be happy for themselves, even if they had happened to have been at the middle or higher end of that range.

Of course, I have been largely buying all the way down from $60k to $33k, so sure, I had some buys in the lower end o the range, but I also bought quite a few higher than current prices (even though used with funds from sales at higher ranges..around a $7k spread, usually).

but with any of us, we can presume that we have ongoing cashflow coming in, so what do we do with the ongoing cashflow?  Do we want to or need to still invest in bitcoin with some of that?  Multi-million dollar question, no?
I can speak for me and the answer is I still do DCA. But I push myself a bit, by using spare cash when I see the market is falling. From last few months I am using a portion of my corns for trading. I would not say that I made much profit but I am learning the game.

Hopefully you are not using too much of your stash while learning, and it seems to me that there are ways to structure such trades in ways that you are mostly NOT losing (or that you are always profitable). so long as the BTC price goes up, ultimately (in the long run), but of course, it could take several years to get out of some of the negative trades, that any guy might enter into such as my buying BTC all the way down from $60k to $33k, it could take a few years to get back above $60k...   and it seems to me to be better for a guy to be able to weather those kinds of trades.. but having to also have some level of confidence too depending on how s/he is structuring his/her trades... so mine would be somewhat biased based on BTC accumulation.. and not necessarily getting caught up in whether the position might be in a losing position in the short to medium term (which could last 3 years or longer in some scenarios).. by the way, my very first BTC purchase at around $1,200 in late November 2013 was not clearly profitable until March 2017 - which was 3 years and 4 months later.

Another personal example is that in 2017/2018, my BTC trade spreads were much smaller than they are now, so in 2017, my spreads to buy back were only like $500 (- only like 2.5% - which now seems totally whimpy but also a product of my then quasi-desperation in my own mind about aiming to accumulate BTC at any price.. and framing my profitability in that way.. and for some reason, I could not really completely shake the feeling that I did not have enough BTC.. strange.. strange.. strange.. because I think I have gotten better and learned from that).  In that late 2017 context, I had started buying back BTC at around $19k-ish.. so, as we know from looking at the charts, some of those $19k-ish buys did not become profitable again until about 3 years later in December 2020.. fuck...

So if you look at my current spreads.. when we were in the $60ks, I probably had my highest BTC sale at around $67.5k.. or something in that ballpark.. remember these are incremental sales so they do not constitute very high amounts of my overall BTC value.. for sure, less than 1% for every 10% the BTC price goes up.. and probably currently in the ballpark of 0.75% for every 10% the BTC price goes up... so anyhow something like a $7k buy back spread would be slightly higher than 10%... which is still way higher than my earlier 2.5% spread when we were in late 2017.. so I have figured out a way to increase my spreads by quite a lot and to get quite a bit less attached to whether i buy back or not because in my way of thinking about the matter is that I have enough BTC and maybe even too much already and I am not even really selling close to as much as I might be willing to authorize myself to sell.. so in my mind, I continue to frame the whole matter as my having a kind of overall surplus of BTC.... .so no skin off of my back whether I buy back or not... blah blah blah... now some people might be speculating how the fuck do you do all of these calculations when you only have a supra 0.63BTC stash.. and that is another story that need NOT be told at this time.   Tongue Tongue

Anyhow, if you are tailoring your managing of your BTC holdings to your own situation, then it may well not matter so much about specifics regarding profitability in one direction or another because you have some kinds of goals that you might be working on achieving through your employed process.. especially if you might be erroring on the side of having a BTC accumulation goal, for example,... and for sure whether you are meeting something in the ballpark of your own BTC accumulation goals can be measured, too...

So for example, some guys who came into bitcoin in 2015/2016 like you, might want to rest on their laurels and say.. holy shit, I am good because I was able to accumulate my 10 BTC in my early years into bitcoin for an average of around $1k per coin...   

But, the guy who might have spent an additional $30k after initially accumulating 10 BTC, and more than doubled his stash to 20 BTC for example may well be in a way better position than the guy who sat around and did not do anything and just kept his 10 BTC stash, and even another guy who was able to tripled his bitcoin stash to 30 BTC for example, and maybe ended up spending an additional $80k would still likely be in a much better position than either the guy with 10 BTC or the guy with 20 BTC, even if his average cost per coin might have gone up way more than either the guy with 10 BTC or the one with 20 BTC.


So the guy with 10 BTC had a total budget of $10k and an average cost of $1k per coin, and the guy with 20BTC had a total budget of $40k, and an average cost per coin of $2k per coin.

The third guy ended up spending quite a bit more to get the 30 BTC, but there is a considerable amount of increased value in getting the additional 10 coins more than the second guy and 20 coins more than the first guy.  So the third 30 BTC guy has a total cost of $90k, and so an average cost per coin of $3k per coin.

Of course, your numbers might NOT be so straight-forward as the numbers in my hypothetical, and they might even look way worse than my above hypothetical numbers, yet my point is that even if your average cost per BTC might end up going up by a considerable amount because you continued to engage in ongoing BTC accumulating behaviors, you may well be in a way better position by having had accumulated more BTC through that whole process even if your investment cost ended up being way more overall and even several of your coins ended up costing you way more to acquire at later dates than the costs of your earliest purchased coins.   

In sum, I am a pretty BIG advocate of both considering ways to continue to accumulate BTC until you are clearly assessing yourself to have either gotten to fuck you status or assessing yourself to be way too allocated into bitcoin.. and of course, ONLY you can make those kinds of personal determination regarding how to balance out these kinds of considerations along the way.

We seem way too early in our adoption level (still likely less than 1% of the world's population) to be proclaiming that bitcoin is becoming mature enough to no longer have severe FOMO episodes.

That depends on your definition of severe, of course.


Hahahahaha

You got me there.


Remember from September 2020 to April 2021 we had a 6.5x price rise in about 7 months... that could be considered getting towards severe, especially if it had been coupled with another 3x or 5x price rise soon thereafter, but alas, we ended up not getting that result in that particular context.

So maybe it is not easy to exactly particularize what kinds of rises in what amount of time might constitute "severe" within its proper context.

If we were to end up getting 6x to 10x from our mid-$35k jumping off point (from a few days ago) within 6-10 months, that might also constitute something that could be characterized as severe - were it to happen?

I may just be being over-hopeful but it seems that the long winter where we trundled along in the low-hundreds with the occasional hopeful sign quickly pummeled even lower may not repeat itself that badly. Then again, I felt the other way about six months ago but was proven wrong. Have to adapt to the circumstances, however (though the underlying truth that Bitcoin is currently cheap still applies).

Seems to be cheap, currently.. for those of us paying attention... so either we are having some asymmetric information advantage or we are fools... hopefully not the latter.   Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
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Keep it going, i will have to support and replace my wife in our household in the next few days because she is about to get to the peak of her Omicron infection (tested positive today).
Cheers!

Easy there! No need to replace her just yet, I'm sure she'll recover nicely.
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Well, i'm still that curious type of guy when it comes to those adult bedtime stories, but if you meant to replace her in that sense, i'd be out (and she'd be out too)  Cheesy

Without the irony: I made it through the first 24 hours without painkillers, but i had to catch some sleep, so i took half of an adult's dose of ibuprofen through the day. I was sleeping most all of the second day, she was taking care of all the kids perfectly, so she deserves some time off, even if she gets through her infection better than me.
I doubt that, because i did take some effective measures against virus replication, while she was inhaling that contaminated aerosols all day at home. I might just have cought only some while i was out, which should have given me some additional advantage in desease development.
Let's just hope the best. She's a way better cook than me, too  Wink
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Mass adoption. So it begins.

EDIT: I'm ready for the S-curve. Still, i feel i didn't accumulate enough BTC as of now. But if the S plays out, it won't matter that much for the future.
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Bitcoin lightning capacity hits ATH thanks to WO bros: https://www.binance.com/en/news/top/6927148  Shocked
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Bitcoin lightning capacity hits ATH thanks to WO bros: https://www.binance.com/en/news/top/6927148  Shocked

My conclusion: If you're a hodler, you can lock BTC easily. Hodlers are part of Bitcoin's backbone, anyway, together with developers, miners and node operators.
Somebody disagree?

EDIT: Enjoying to feel active again, but i don't want to overdo it, so have a good #hodlsleep, y'all  Grin
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