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[Erdogan]

it's pretty loathsome behavior to hope for economic collapses -- with no regard for the lives it would destroy -- just so you can (maybe) make a few extra bucks off your BTC.

Either the Greeks suffer or all of Europe suffers. I prefer less suffering to more suffering so I don't see what's loathsome about that.

Oh spare me. Of all of you discussing it, I am confident you are the one who would give the least fucks about who suffers or how much as long as you think it will help you make a few extra bucks.

So nobody suffers under the current system, huh? I think some do.

Could the G8 come together and agree on no more money printing, no more government loaning, no more banker bailouts, no more corporate welfare, no more welfare state, no more taxpayer deposit guarantees? A soft landing? I think not.

In fact there is no option for a soft landing, and a reset sometime in the future is unavoidable. A crash would be painful, but continuing the current system, we can expect lower living standard, which mean freezing, hunger, sickness, war, AND a larger crash later.

So I think wishing for a crash as soon as possible is the most altruistic attitude.
(Not being altruistic myself, as I think it is a philosophy of death).

Do you realize that nothing you said applies to any statements you quoted from me?

My original point was about hoping for economic collapses in general, because you think it will make BTC price rise. It was not meant to be a commentary on the Greece situation, and I didn't accuse anyone in particular of anything except BJA. Judging his character by his posts that I've read, I stand by my opinion that his only interest in Greece is the possibility that he can line his pockets from the situation, but that's still not actually a commentary on the Greece situation. I'll leave the back and forth discussion of that to the resident armchair economists.

Pathetic. Your moralism is unethical. It brings death. Bring on the crash. Buy moar coins.

[octaft]

Pathetic. Your moralism is unethical. It brings death. Bring on the crash. Buy moar coins.

I heard billyjoe is down for the 69 you're offering. Word is his nickname is BJ-A+ around his neck of the woods, so you better get on that, quick.

[Wary]

Why am I not surprised one iota by "Libertarian writings."

Anyway, so by "immune to poison" you mean "think critically about what you're reading." You could have just said that. Why do libertarians have to be so hyperbolic?

Because "think critically about what you're reading" isn't strong enough. At least, it doesn't seem to work in your case. Everybody thinks he thinks critically. While in fact, most of us just cherry-pick "confirmations" of our opinions and "critically" ignore refutations. So instead of fixing their world view distortions, such "critical thinking" is increasing them. That's why I've recommended MYOB.  And that's why "immune to poison" is better than "critical thinking". Everybody believes he is able to think critically, but few believe they immune to poisons.

Are you saying you think it's "poison" unless you agree with it? And only people who agree with you are able to think critically? The rest of us are a bunch of mindless lumps just waiting to accept the first lie that someone tells us?

I think you ought to critically analyze whether or not you're guilty of the same exact thing you're accusing others of.

Why are you putting your words in my mouth? I'm saying exactly what I'm saying, rather than what you believe I should be saying/thinking. BTW, that's good illustration of typical "critical thinking". You haven't seen what I said, but have seen what I haven't.

I haven't said I immune. Everybody is susceptible, to some extend.
In fact, I am really interested in finding how distorted is my world picture.
Did you asked that question about yourself? Do you have any metrics/method to find it out?

The best metrics I'm aware of is Ideological Turing Test. Unfortunately, I haven't found the actual test. If you can find it, I would be glad to measure myself with it, and compare my results with yours. Until them, all I have is an anecdotal evidence that libertarians, on average, are doing better on this test than their opponents.

I didn't put words in your mouth. Putting words in your mouth would be "so you're saying X" whereas I phrased it "are you saying X?" They are more loaded questions (kinda not exactly but definitely not straight-up putting words in your mouth, since they allow you to clarify and respond in the negative). It's a dick move in and of itself, I'll give you that - then again, so is using a strikeout on a condescending statement, so all's fair, IMO.

Anecdotal evidence is useless (and sometimes even harmful), so I ignore that out of hand.

Ideological Turing Test is mostly irrelevant here, as I haven't shared my opinions with you in this discussion beyond the fact that I disagree with yours. I will say that I find the fact that you think we could even take this test - with you being mostly unaware of my opinions - may suggest that you might be too quick to dismiss those who disagree with you. Either that, or you think their viewpoints are so simplistic that they can be summed up accurately without knowing much about the viewpoints of the particular individual you are engaging.

OK, we both had fair share of condescending statements. Let's not discuss which ones are condescendier.

About your views. I don't know your views, but I do know they are wrong
Why? Because of "Why am I not surprised one iota".
The only thing you get from the list I gave you (BTW, by your own request) is confirmations of your views. When new information fits exactly into your world view, it's clear evidence of you closing your eyes on some part of it. As you've said it yourself, "ignore out of hand". Because anecdotal, because irrelevant, because whatever. Any excuse would do when one doesn't want to test his beliefs.
A world picture, that is build by looking for confirmations only can be correct only by miracle.

tl; dr: I may be wrong, but you are.

[ChartBuddy]

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[octaft]

OK, we both had fair share of condescending statements. Let's not discuss which ones are condescendier.

About your views. I don't know your views, but I do know they are wrong
Why? Because of "Why am I not surprised one iota".
The only thing you get from the list I gave you (BTW, by your own request) is confirmations of your views. When new information fits exactly into your world view, it's clear evidence of you closing your eyes on some part of it. As you've said it yourself, "ignore out of hand". Because anecdotal, because irrelevant, because whatever. Any excuse would do when one doesn't want to test his beliefs.

tl; dr: I may be wrong, but you are.

So basically, yeah, you are guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

Honestly, I can't believe you can sit there with a straight face and say "my side is doing better, anecdotally" and think I'm the idiot for disregarding the statement. But of course, I'm sure you've analyzed all that "critically," and are not at all biased because they agree with you or anything.

[aztecminer]

it's pretty loathsome behavior to hope for economic collapses -- with no regard for the lives it would destroy -- just so you can (maybe) make a few extra bucks off your BTC.

Either the Greeks suffer or all of Europe suffers. I prefer less suffering to more suffering so I don't see what's loathsome about that.

Oh spare me. Of all of you discussing it, I am confident you are the one who would give the least fucks about who suffers or how much as long as you think it will help you make a few extra bucks.

So nobody suffers under the current system, huh? I think some do.

Could the G8 come together and agree on no more money printing, no more government loaning, no more banker bailouts, no more corporate welfare, no more welfare state, no more taxpayer deposit guarantees? A soft landing? I think not.

In fact there is no option for a soft landing, and a reset sometime in the future is unavoidable. A crash would be painful, but continuing the current system, we can expect lower living standard, which mean freezing, hunger, sickness, war, AND a larger crash later.

So I think wishing for a crash as soon as possible is the most altruistic attitude.
(Not being altruistic myself, as I think it is a philosophy of death).

Do you realize that nothing you said applies to any statements you quoted from me?

My original point was about hoping for economic collapses in general, because you think it will make BTC price rise. It was not meant to be a commentary on the Greece situation, and I didn't accuse anyone in particular of anything except BJA. Judging his character by his posts that I've read, I stand by my opinion that his only interest in Greece is the possibility that he can line his pockets from the situation, but that's still not actually a commentary on the Greece situation. I'll leave the back and forth discussion of that to the resident armchair economists.

Pathetic. Your moralism is unethical. It brings death. Bring on the crash. Buy moar coins.

guys... i'm going to try and use the greek situation to make a profit .

[octaft]

trolololol lololol lololol

0/10 Obvious troll is obvious.

[aztecminer]

trolololol lololol lololol

0/10 Obvious troll is obvious.

don't take it personally it's just business .

[ChartBuddy]

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[octaft]

don't take it personally it's just business .

Take what personally?

[Wary]

OK, we both had fair share of condescending statements. Let's not discuss which ones are condescendier.

About your views. I don't know your views, but I do know they are wrong
Why? Because of "Why am I not surprised one iota".
The only thing you get from the list I gave you (BTW, by your own request) is confirmations of your views. When new information fits exactly into your world view, it's clear evidence of you closing your eyes on some part of it. As you've said it yourself, "ignore out of hand". Because anecdotal, because irrelevant, because whatever. Any excuse would do when one doesn't want to test his beliefs.

tl; dr: I may be wrong, but you are.

So basically, yeah, you are guilty of doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

Honestly, I can't believe you can sit there with a straight face and say "my side is doing better, anecdotally" and think I'm the idiot for disregarding the statement. But of course, I'm sure you've analyzed all that "critically," and are not at all biased because they agree with you or anything.

Where did I say you are an idiot? Where did I say that person with skewed world view is an idiot?  
Alhough... A person that reads "I may be wrong" as "I am not at all biased", does deserve a name of em.. original mind.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

[derpinheimer]

Why is the Coinbase exchange retarded according to Chartbuddy?

[Specular]

Coiling feeling...

[ChartBuddy]

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[Chef Ramsay]

Coiling feeling...

Time to get nasty where the elevator is going up at this point. Gotta go up into the stratosphere my friends.

[noobtrader]

its about time for a pump too... i cant wait to see this above 1000usd

[Malin Keshar]

Why is the Coinbase exchange retarded according to Chartbuddy?

because they disclose few infos about the orderbook for the general public?

[hurricandave]

Coinbase is looking pretty retarded right here!

[ChartBuddy]

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[Bagatell]

Coinbase is looking pretty retarded right here!

Try this.

https://cryptowat.ch/coinbase/btcusd