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[Chef Ramsay]

... You better hope there are enough people like me left.

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You're either an expletive or someone so clueless as to engage w/ a fart spreading troll as this is a total waste of your time and/or the rest of us. Get a better gig and the rest of you should refrain from tolerating the "help/troll" around here. It should be obvious now who this putz is as well as their random accounts.

[JayJuanGee]

WTF!

We have the whale, whaling around on Bitstamp once again, whipping up a shit storm of trades within a $2 range.....

......but what is he trying to tell us this time?

Is $338 strong resistance, or is this meant to be incredible support at these levels?

Maybe I get a little annoyed at some of your word choices, even though I don't really disagree with a lot of your ideas?

Let me just ask why you need to assert "the whale" to suggest that one entity is repeatedly responsible for various market movements both up and down and it is the same one as was there before, etc. etc. etc? 

You could have made a lot of the same points without being so narrowly conspiratorial in your assumptions by merely suggesting "a whale" or "various whales" are increasing their trade activities in an apparent pattern, etc etc.

[JayJuanGee]

WTF!

We have the whale, whaling around on Bitstamp once again, whipping up a shit storm of trades within a $2 range.....

......but what is he trying to tell us this time?

Is $338 strong resistance, or is this meant to be incredible support at these levels?

He's trying to tell you that stamp's "real" volume looks like crap.

Is the exchange itself simply ramping volume, in order to be taken more seriously?

Maybe if they want more volume, they should introduce leveraged trading as per all the other major exchanges?

I really doubt that it is fake volume on Stamp.

Without evidence, don't attribute the same shenanigans on Stamp as some of the Chinese exchanges have been accused of and admitted to.

[JorgeStolfi]

I live in the US which is comprised of 99% immigrants.  In one small section of one borough of NYC 167 languages are spoken.  The people there look suspiciously human.  

5 years ago there was a census.  Being a procrastinator I hadn't returned the form so a lady came knocking on my door.  The last question asked for your race.  The reason for this is info for government programs.  I told her that if she wanted to pigeon hole me she could put me down as mammal.  Of course she just stared blankly at me.  To help her out I said, oh you are looking for a race, put me down as human, human race.

One of the first messages I read from the internet in 1979 was from a Stanford prof (Les Earnest) who told a similar story.  He needed security clearance to so some consulting job for the military.  One field in the form was "race".  Partly for protest, partly because he had mixed ancestry, he wrote "mongrel" there.  Next thing he was summoned and grilled by two officers who wanted to know what kind of subversive/agressive attitude he meant to take by that.

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[Andre#]

What is considered off-topic in this squalid thread?

Only Bitcoin XT. 

[JorgeStolfi]

There is no scientific validity to the idea of different human races.

This is a load of shit.  Nowhere in Darwin's Origin of Species does it say anything about evolution creating equality, it says the exact opposite

In the US it is no longer politically correct to "discriminate" on the basis of race, which is great.

Yet racism continues to be deeply rooted in the "standard American mindset", as betrayed by the "race" field in forms.  To most Americans, it seems mankind is still neatly divided into five "races", with no room for qualifications or even gradations. In particular, the children of "black" + "white" parents are still "black".  

Funny thing is that Americans do not seem to realize that such views themselves are racism.  To them, it is just common sense logic. To them, the "one drop rule" is not something to be questioned; it is the dictionary definition of the word "black".

No, sorry: "race" is not a scientific concept.  All the "scientific racism" theories that started in the 18th century and continue to this day are a big load of shit -- a conscious or unconscious attemmpt to justify colonialism, slavery, discrimination and persecution.  Darwin's Origin of the Species is totally misapplied.  Mankind is just one species; its populations have become separated only very recently in evolutionary terms, and genetic mixing is still strong -- even among social groups that try hard to remain genetically isolated.

Humans in isolation are not racist.  Children are not racist.  Many "savage" tribes, while strongly "nationalistic", are not racist, and often practice exogamic (inter-tribal) marriages as a rule.  Racial segregation is always a social phenomenon, imposed by society whenever two or more groups of people are competing for power or resources.  Biological differences, liek skin color, are then only a pretext -- a convenient label used by oppressors to keep the oppressed in teir place and deny them whatever is the real object of dispute,

[Andre#]

I live in the US which is comprised of 99% immigrants.  In one small section of one borough of NYC 167 languages are spoken.  The people there look suspiciously human.  

5 years ago there was a census.  Being a procrastinator I hadn't returned the form so a lady came knocking on my door.  The last question asked for your race.  The reason for this is info for government programs.  I told her that if she wanted to pigeon hole me she could put me down as mammal.  Of course she just stared blankly at me.  To help her out I said, oh you are looking for a race, put me down as human, human race.

Our race needs more humans like you! 

[Andre#]

... You better hope there are enough people like me left.

I do, I do! With all the mud people getting them fancy degrees and wantin' high-payin' jobs, who else is gonna be left to dig my ditches and run that fryer at Mc. D's?

So basically you are just as racist as anyone else...

Everyone is a racist. Just a matter of degree and direction (towards outsiders, or your own race).

muslim youngsters migrating to europe wants to breed your sisters and daughters. its a breeding war.

That's why our governments make it ever more difficult for them to marry people from the countries they originally come from. To help them in this "breeding war".   

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[Ibian]

There is no scientific validity to the idea of different human races.

This is a load of shit.  Nowhere in Darwin's Origin of Species does it say anything about evolution creating equality, it says the exact opposite

In the US it is no longer politically correct to "discriminate" on the basis of race, which is great.

Yet racism continues to be deeply rooted in the "standard American mindset", as betrayed by the "race" field in forms.  To most Americans, it seems mankind is still neatly divided into five "races", with no room for qualifications or even gradations. In particular, the children of "black" + "white" parents are still "black".  

Funny thing is that Americans do not seem to realize that such views themselves are racism.  To them, it is just common sense logic. To them, the "one drop rule" is not something to be questioned; it is the dictionary definition of the word "black".

No, sorry: "race" is not a scientific concept.  All the "scientific racism" theories that started in the 18th century and continue to this day are a big load of shit -- a conscious or unconscious attemmpt to justify colonialism, slavery, discrimination and persecution.  Darwin's Origin of the Species is totally misapplied.  Mankind is just one species; its populations have become separated only very recently in evolutionary terms, and genetic mixing is still strong -- even among social groups that try hard to remain genetically isolated.

Humans in isolation are not racist.  Children are not racist.  Many "savage" tribes, while strongly "nationalistic", are not racist, and often practice exogamic (inter-tribal) marriages as a rule.  Racial segregation is always a social phenomenon, imposed by society whenever two or more groups of people are competing for power or resources.  Biological differences, liek skin color, are then only a pretext -- a convenient label used by oppressors to keep the oppressed in teir place and deny them whatever is the real object of dispute,

Not the american mindset, the human mindset. Humans will always find differences between groups and go to war over them. Even in african countries, where everyone is the same to our eyes, neighboring villages will fight eachother over perceived differences. It's just a basic part of human nature. Or look at Japan before the black ships arrived. Fact is humans need enemies to fight, and we will always find them.

The important part right now is identifying a credible threat so we at least get something useful out of it. And the immigrants are not the real enemy here. The real enemy are the traitors among our own kind who allow them in, and continue to want more. This can only end violently.

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[Elwar]

I live in the US which is comprised of 99% immigrants.  In one small section of one borough of NYC 167 languages are spoken.  The people there look suspiciously human.  

5 years ago there was a census.  Being a procrastinator I hadn't returned the form so a lady came knocking on my door.  The last question asked for your race.  The reason for this is info for government programs.  I told her that if she wanted to pigeon hole me she could put me down as mammal.  Of course she just stared blankly at me.  To help her out I said, oh you are looking for a race, put me down as human, human race.

I always answer native American.

I am an individual. I am not defined by someone else including my parents or any other person that lived before them.

Since I was born in America, as an individual this is my native land. Thus I am a native American.

[Divitiae miserae]

"Race" comprehends three concepts: bio-genomic clusters commonality, biological race and social race.

The analysis of bio-genomic clusters has a very narrow scope and lets us infer, for instance, that a group of humans might be Ashkenazi Jews for having certain genetic conditions that predispose them to the Tay-Sachs disease. Of course, members of other groups could have the same or similar genetic condition and, actually, there are far more differences within populations than there are between them.

Race in biology means a group within a species so different from the rest that it's on a definite path towards the constitution of a new species. In this sense there are no subspecies races among humans.

Lastly, social habits and norms clearly make remarkable distinctions between ethnic groups, and this has social and economic effects.

More here: http://www.philosophersmag.com/index.php/footnotes-to-plato/87-are-races-real

[Wary]

There is no scientific validity to the idea of different human races.

Why are you so sure? Are you scientist that specializes in this area? If not, how do you know? From scientists? How do you know what they think? Let's imagine for a second that you are a scientist and you think that there is some validity to this idea. Would you announce this thought in public? To become a racist in the eyes of this public? If you plan a research in this area, which evidences would you look for - for and against this idea? What would you prefer - to receive a grant or to become a target for witch-hunt?

So the honest answer to the question "is there any scientific validity to the idea of different human races" should be: We don't know because unbiased research in this area is politically impossible.

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