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January 22, 2016, 05:56:27 AM

We might be in for an ugly weekend 'price-wise.' As a distraction, I thought it might be nice to take some time to appreciate eachother's contributions to the Bitcoin space.

I'll go first.


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January 22, 2016, 06:14:50 AM

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The thing that should worry you all is that the Classic team is not much better qualified, although it seems to have better goals (like BitcoinXT had).  fat is, control over the future evolution of your precious coin is being disputed by two bands of amateur hackers. ...
There are times when a talented amateur...



jk, they're pretty much forked.
But this pic rocks (?? middle panel, "Also, everything is totally real." Cheesy), and not shitty faux-naif but really some kid learning to draw.

I don't play it but apparently some reference to metal gear solid.

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January 22, 2016, 06:55:53 AM

 Capitalism (as a political term) basically says that whatever you can grab by following the rules of the game, you can keep. In particular, it sees no difference between gains from speculative trading,  monopolistic and abusive pricing, deceitful marketing, exploitation of cheap labor, activities that damage the envirnment or public health, etc.; and the state should not try to hamper such activities.  In Capitalism, poverty and inequality are non-problems.


That's such a bag of wrong, I don't know where to start. Speculation is a legitimate market activity. Good speculators provide liquidity when it is needed and bad speculators pay the good speculators. No one needs to be coerced out of their earnings for this service, unlike government-provided services.

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Free markets by definition are free from State interference.  Monopolies are only possible with state help. Cartels don't work, witness OPEC.  

That is a serious distortion of the term "free market"  that Libertarians and Anarchists have invented.  Sorry, a free market is totally not a market that is free from regulation and control.  

Basically, it is a market where consumers are free to chose among suppliers, suppliers are free to set their prices as they like, there are no artificial production quotas, and -- most important -- there is no spurious barrier to the entry of new suppliers.  In a free market, theory says that prices will adjust to be the cost of production plus a profit that is about just enough to make that market as profitable as any other activity.  

The opposite of a free market is an oligopoly (including monopoly), where there are few suppliers and new ones are prevented from entry (even if they have the capital and capability to do so).  Then the suppliers can conspire to raise their prices to the level that maximizes their net revenue, which can be much higher than the free market price.

Left to themselves, markets often degenerate into oligopolies or monopolies, because of the same factors that led to concentration of bitcoin mining.  Many countries have antitrust and competition laws to prevent that from happening and keep the markets free.

This is why I said you don't know anything about economics. Monopolies originated as companies granted specifically by the government an exclusive charter to do business in a given area or industry. These were companies like the Hudson Bay Company or the East India company. Modern monopolies are more subtle about how they rely on the State to maintain dominant market share. Microsoft externalizes the costs of patent and trademark enforcement. Others use copyright law to do the same. Still others use regulatory capture.   

Yes, capital-intensive industries give advantages to businesses with more capital. That's why it's called "capitalism",  but that should be the only barrier to entry and it almost never is. Why should poor women need a license to cut hair or do manicures?  It's protectionism by incumbent players to limit competition, although they always claim it's about quality.

Yet in spite of its advantages Microsoft STILL lost market share to apple, android etc because contrary to your claim, the natural tendency for large corporations is to get complacent and too conservative, and therefor less competitive.  Look at the formulaic crap pumped out by major motion picture studios. It's the small independents at Sundance that make all the interesting stuff.

Or take your field: Universities have a near monopoly on post secondary credentialing, but you haven't done anything exiting and new in centuries. Judging by your product (college grads) you are overcharging. Those surveys that test graduates basic knowledge of history or government should be embarrassing to you.  Silicone valley doesn't even give a shit if a prospective employee has a degree. They just want to see what you've made. Your projects are your resume. 
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January 22, 2016, 08:19:03 AM

dunno if you guys know...http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/514363.html

Russia has blocked five websites tied to the "bitcoin" digital currency in an effort to fight the growth of the "shadow economy," according to a state media watchdog.

The list of blocked sites published on Roskomnadzor's social media page this week includes Bitcoin.org, Bitcoin.it, BTCsec.com, Indacoin and Coinspot.ru. A number of other bitcoin sites continue to operate in Russia, including bitcoin trading website BTC-E.com.

I also hear bitstamp is banned.
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January 22, 2016, 08:21:43 AM

Judging by your product (college grads) you are overcharging. Those surveys that test graduates basic knowledge of history or government should be embarrassing to you.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/judge-judy-supreme-court-poll/
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January 22, 2016, 09:37:41 AM

The key thing the Stolfinator doesn't understand about being a socialist is, one man's free stuff is another man's indentured servitude.  He keeps preaching this "more just society" nonsense while supporting a pro-slavery ideology.

Capitalists are collectivists as well, since they promote a market which is per se a state bastard. People who live beyond the state (rain forest) don't need a market. They don't trade with aliens. They are self-sufficient (anarchy).
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The key thing the Stolfinator doesn't understand about being a socialist is, one man's free stuff is another man's indentured servitude.  He keeps preaching this "more just society" nonsense while supporting a pro-slavery ideology.

Capitalists are collectivists as well, since they promote a market which is per se a state bastard.

Is it capitalism and a "free market" when banks fail and we pay the bill? It's bullshit, that's what it is.
Is it socialism when the governing oligarchy and their circle have extensive privileges over others?

The elite don't have economic ideologies. Economy is just one very important tool, out of many tools, to exercise global control. People fight over socialism, capitalism, and other 'ism's, when there are no such systems in existence. They are all bastard systems, customized to serve other agendas.
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January 22, 2016, 11:04:25 AM

dunno if you guys know...http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/514363.html

Russia has blocked five websites tied to the "bitcoin" digital currency in an effort to fight the growth of the "shadow economy," according to a state media watchdog.

The list of blocked sites published on Roskomnadzor's social media page this week includes Bitcoin.org, Bitcoin.it, BTCsec.com, Indacoin and Coinspot.ru. A number of other bitcoin sites continue to operate in Russia, including bitcoin trading website BTC-E.com.

I also hear bitstamp is banned.

What about bitcointalk, has Russia banned that like China did? I suspect many more people view bitcointalk than any of those websites you listed. Even if Russia bans bitcointalk I doubt it will matter, Bitcoin is thriving in China despite its bitcointalk ban which I assume is still ongoing.
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January 22, 2016, 11:12:26 AM

The key thing the Stolfinator doesn't understand about being a socialist is, one man's free stuff is another man's indentured servitude.  He keeps preaching this "more just society" nonsense while supporting a pro-slavery ideology.

Capitalists are collectivists as well, since they promote a market which is per se a state bastard.

Is it capitalism and a "free market" when banks fail and we pay the bill? It's bullshit, that's what it is.
Is it socialism when the governing oligarchy and their circle have extensive privileges over others?

The elite don't have economic ideologies. Economy is just one very important tool, out of many tools, to exercise global control. People fight over socialism, capitalism, and other 'ism's, when there are no such systems in existence. They are all bastard systems, customized to serve other agendas.

Yes. "Free market" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. Free people who live beyond the state don't need a market. There is no such thing as a growing market/economy among ungoverned people in the rain forest.
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January 22, 2016, 11:40:31 AM

The Brazilian ButtReal lost 63% of it purchasing power against the USD in 2015,
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January 22, 2016, 12:29:32 PM

(2) property and economical rights of the individual are not absolute but are subordinate to the interests of society as a whole

So you are a communist...

(3) the state is supposed to provide public services like health care, education, social security, transportation infrastructure, emergency and security services, etc.;

So you are a communist...

(4) the state should try to ensure equal opportunities to everybody and ensure that everybody has a decent minimal living conditions.

So you are a communist...


So you are a Nazi?

(Did I do that right? :3)
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January 22, 2016, 12:32:56 PM

(2) property and economical rights of the individual are not absolute but are subordinate to the interests of society as a whole

So you are a communist...

(3) the state is supposed to provide public services like health care, education, social security, transportation infrastructure, emergency and security services, etc.;

So you are a communist...

(4) the state should try to ensure equal opportunities to everybody and ensure that everybody has a decent minimal living conditions.

So you are a communist...


So you are a Nazi?

(Did I do that right? :3)

Not really. He wrongly labeled a moderate as en extremist. You're spot on.
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