Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[edgar]

1.08560 USD / mBTC

[Elwar]

The previous bubbles started with a doubling of the price within a month. Looks like the low hit $787 in the past 3 days. If the price is over $1,500 by January 19-20th then it will be over $3k near the beginning of February and then $6k a week later. (If history is any indicator)

We have 15 days for the price to go up by around $400. That's an average of $25 per day. If that happens we shoot up to $6k 3 weeks later if we experience the same thing as previous run ups. Then probably a "crash" to $4,000 as it slowly returns to the $2,000 range.

[JimboToronto]

An early good morning Bitcoinland.

Quite the night I see. We even had a nice mini-correction with requisite immediate bounce-back to keep it honest.

Net result... $1093USD at Bitcoinaverage, $1457CAD after touching $1473, a new ATH.

How long before a real correction? Daily ATHs are fun but unsustainable. An occasional red candle would be a healthy change.

[lightfoot]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

[Meuh6879]

More fast than ever ...

[spooderman]

i guess just lower them a bit in accordance with your gut feeling about the "new low".

if you needed something more sustainable and reliable as a business person i'd guess you'd be charging the BTC equivalent of a fixed dollar amount which you're not doing which implies a certain amount of flexibility is possible for you.

[rtrtcrypto]

Just charge in dollars and accept payment in BTC with a window of a few hrs after the job is complete.
That way you can always charge the same for the job and no one will feel like they over or underpaid.

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

[ErisDiscordia]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

Not at all. Bitcoin is a fixed supply currency with deflationary effects. In an economy based around such a currency, prices tend to go down. It just seems strange and counter-intuitive, because all anyone here including Jimbo has ever known is an economy based around an inflationary currency, where prices tend to go up.

Just lower the price in BTC

[MinermanNC]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

GM! 1100.00 anyone?  

Ya if you keep your fixed BTC rate your customers will go pay cash somewhere else.... cheaper than the fixed rate in BTC. Somewhere along the line you do need to compensate for your rates when BTC was low and you took the hit. I would reward myself a little extra for as long as you can, after all, the miners you maintain would not benefit the owners if they were not running  

[HI-TEC99]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

GM! 1100.00 anyone?  

Ya if you keep your fixed BTC rate your customers will go pay cash somewhere else.... cheaper than the fixed rate in BTC. Somewhere along the line you do need to compensate for your rates when BTC was low and you took the hit. I would reward myself a little extra for as long as you can, after all, the miners you maintain would not benefit the owners if they were not running  

He could charge in dollars though bitpay, and keep the Bitcoin as long as the price keeps rising. If the price starts falling he could receive in dollars and buy back Bitcoins during the dips. Or he could choose what percentage to receive in Bitcoin, and what percentage to receive in dollars.

There is the risk Bitpay could get hacked again though.

https://help.bitpay.com/getting-paid/bitcoin-settlement

Enter your bitcoin address name and the bitcoin address, then select your settlement percentage (how much of your settlements you would like to receive in form of bitcoin). Then click "Save."

[bitcoinminer42]

plz give your votes for the next ATH stop 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739276

[JayJuanGee]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

I don't think it is complex...


You peg it to dollar prices... and you still get bitcoins.

[soullyG]

On the move again, $1100 and counting..

[hd060053]

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side

[smracer]

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side

16K shorts still need to close!

[spooderman]

haha there's a big ask wall at 2890 on finex

[ImI]

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side

16K shorts still need to close!

i would love to meet with some of those shorters and have a beer or something. i mean, what drives them? what are the reasons to short btc in such a run? inexperience? gambling with money of other people?

[Elwar]

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

I get it. You're trying to be true to Bitcoin and lead instead of follow. That's good.

During the big swings you should be able to adjust your price. Bitcoin has a lot of time that is fairly stable but at times it has its growing pains to adjust to demand. During those times you'll need to adjust with Bitcoin as well.

I sold someone a pair of boots for $300 when the price was about $10/BTC. The boots took over a month to get to the buyer. By that time the price had climbed to over $20. The customer was not happy about it. I gave him half of the upward value back as a gesture of moving forward with Bitcoin and keeping commerce going even when the price moves a lot.

[Tzupy]

Hmm, this isn't looking as bearish as I'd like... Maybe the Chinese will pull an extension?

[Kramerc]

Hmm, this isn't looking as bearish as I'd like... Maybe the Chinese will pull an extension?

What about the BFX shorters' prisoner dilemma? There's 16k of them and only 6k in total asks.