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March 16, 2017, 02:57:20 PM

Hi chopstick, why don't you go and buy some Dash  Cheesy
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March 16, 2017, 02:58:59 PM

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  Cheesy

He has been talking such bullshit for quite a long time - at least 6 months.  Just repeats over and over the paid shill talking points in regards to promoting some kind of supposed scaling solution, but without really having much if any justification - beyond repetition of nonsense.
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March 16, 2017, 03:01:46 PM

Hi chopstick, why don't you go and buy some Dash  Cheesy

This is you:

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March 16, 2017, 03:05:26 PM

^ 3 posts from Chopstick, i got this one on ignored. This person must be talking bullshit, i'm sure this troll is frustrated that BU is in deep shit  Cheesy

He has been talking such bullshit for quite a long time - at least 6 months.  Just repeats over and over the paid shill talking points in regards to promoting some kind of supposed scaling solution, but without really having much if any justification - beyond repetition of nonsense.

When Truth becomes "paid shill talking points..."

Welcome to 2017.

Also, I only come on here occasionally when I'm bored.

But watching the BU v. Core fight has been quite entertaining, and I love pissing people off like you who are like this:



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March 16, 2017, 03:08:44 PM

"Let's force 1mb blocks onto everyone forever! Let's restrict organic growth of Bitcoin's userbase and force marketshare into altcoins! Let's use an unproven solution (LN) and force it onto everyone! THEY WON'T HAVE A CHOICE!" -BlockstreamCore

Yes, how dare the rest of us who see through this insanity insist that Bitcoin go back to Satoshi's original vision of on-chain scaling.

How dare.
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March 16, 2017, 03:13:27 PM


First they ignore you.  <--- all other crypto/altcoins are still here
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.  <--- Bitcoin is here now
Then you win.

People don't realize that 'they' (the powers that be) are now circling Bitcoin like sharks, trying desperately in whatever ways they can to slow it down, set it back, or kill it forever.

'They' have run out of physical/technical ways to try and hinder or bring down Bitcoin (e.g., 0day bugs/hacks, DDoS, MtGox insolvency, exchanges hacked and/or going offline, FUD/negative news, etc.)

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

Once this line of BS fails, and it will, the next wave will be direct head-to-head Bitcoin competition: Gov't sponsored/endorsed Bankcoins, and eventually Bankcoin ETFs.

Believe it. You read it here first.



Pretty much this! As I also said, to me this looks like an coordinated attack.Again! Not the first one we witness.
It's again all about divide the community, spread FUD and demoralize the people.
But I'm also pretty confident the majority of the community and especially the big holders know what's going on.
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March 16, 2017, 03:37:09 PM

will support at 1210 hold?

will there be a recovery before okc futures settlement?

these are the only things on my mind. fuck this hardfork BU segwit noise
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March 16, 2017, 03:43:07 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Seems we've lost a little ground overnight... currently $1224USD (Bitcoinaverage).

We're back to where we were 3 days ago, or the day before the ETF announcement.

No sweat. After 5 consecutive green daily candles, a little red doesn't hurt.

Now they only have one real play left: Social Engineering. They load up the forums with shills/trolls, trying to split the community and sway public opinion against Bitcoin in general.  They prop up and promote other alt coins now as "Bitcoin 2.0" and "way better". They string along and stall a Bitcoin ETF ruling for years, only to deny it at the 11th hour and laugh. They have even managed to gaslight former prominent Bitcoin proponents like Gavin, Roger, Mike, and big Chinese miners with false information or outright bullshit (Craig Wright is Satoshi, anyone?).

true.dat Smiley

It's nice to know somebody gets it.

I think the silent, intelligent army of characters of substance and skill will triumph.

They have the mental capital and due to that, the financial capital. Most importantly the brainpower is on the right side, in the end that will lead. The system is too complex to be run by pretend programmers and charlatans dumb enough to take money to shit on promising technology and essentially lie and woof all day long. Who wants to do that? The incompetent and the evil, and most likely the blackmailed.

Indeed. This is why I don't worry.

The trolls, FUDsters and alt shills are so obvious they're almost comical.

Meanwhile, I made the decision long ago to trust that "silent, intelligent army" to mind the code.

That's the beauty of a decentralized open-source platform. Even though my own coding skills are very limited, I figure I can trust a worldwide community of dedicated capable coders to keep things in check.
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March 16, 2017, 03:45:44 PM

Is Bitcoin dead yet?

https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoinobituaries/

1120 € ... I don't think so.
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March 16, 2017, 03:48:08 PM

"Let's force 1mb blocks onto everyone forever! Let's restrict organic growth of Bitcoin's userbase and force marketshare into altcoins! Let's use an unproven solution (LN) and force it onto everyone! THEY WON'T HAVE A CHOICE!" -BlockstreamCore

Yes, how dare the rest of us who see through this insanity insist that Bitcoin go back to Satoshi's original vision of on-chain scaling.

How dare.

As you are so vocal about BU, let me ask you one question:

Would you accept if segwit would be in effect in the following six months and forget about all that BU nonsense at least for some time being? If not, what about segwit + 2M blocks? Or is this all about that you guys insist in that all present and future transactions have to be ALL done in main Bitcoin blockchain?
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March 16, 2017, 04:01:53 PM

If that happens, their code will have to define the protocol which runs the network, right?

As a professional protocol developer (yes, really), I advance the notion that 'big boy' protocols are not defined by a single code implementation. Significant protocols have definitions that exist outside the various tangible implementations of their specifications. Indeed, many significant standards agencies will not recognize a protocol as ready for the big time until such time as there are multiple interoperating implementations from multiple sources.

These rather trivial bugs exhibited recently by BU merely serve to illuminate the problems that may arise when a single implementation is the only implementation of a given protocol. A failure in one implementation is a failure in the entire system. To assume there are not bugs of similar scope in Core is a blindered approach.

Yes, as there has been a resistance within the community to develop a formal specification, we are reliant upon duking it out in the marketplace. Some day, I hope we can move past these baby steps to where we have multiple interoperating implementations from many teams.

In the meantime, a marginal implementation of the better design is far more valuable than any near-bulletproof implementation of a bad design. I continue to advocate BU.
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March 16, 2017, 04:02:08 PM

BTC price has to get managed downwards so those pumping the altcoins can get out of their altcoins and back into BTC , maximise their killing.
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March 16, 2017, 04:04:11 PM

Or Ethereum will win, I'm not sure yet.
Are you sure about that?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1829137.new#new

Ethereum linked to MLM ponzi scheme.
This might just cause the price to plummet on their sudden pump in price along side of a rise in Dash.
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March 16, 2017, 04:11:26 PM

Or Ethereum will win, I'm not sure yet.
Are you sure about that?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1829137.new#new

Ethereum linked to MLM ponzi scheme.
This might just cause the price to plummet on their sudden pump in price along side of a rise in Dash.

Dude News.8btc is more alternative facts then Breitbart and RT together...
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March 16, 2017, 04:17:24 PM

Bottom at $1210 because of maximum FUD? Not bad. Even BTC-e is above Finex.
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March 16, 2017, 05:06:40 PM

If that happens, their code will have to define the protocol which runs the network, right?

As a professional protocol developer (yes, really), I advance the notion that 'big boy' protocols are not defined by a single code implementation. Significant protocols have definitions that exist outside the various tangible implementations of their specifications. Indeed, many significant standards agencies will not recognize a protocol as ready for the big time until such time as there are multiple interoperating implementations from multiple sources.

We aren't talking about "big boy" protocols, we are talking about Bitcoin. By it's nature, the client dictates the protocol. If we actually switch to BU, that is the implementation which will determine the protocol, as clients with different rules will be isolated from the network (once that rule comes into question when a block is crafted accordingly), due to the very mechanics of Bitcoin.

These rather trivial bugs exhibited recently by BU merely serve to illuminate the problems that may arise when a single implementation is the only implementation of a given protocol.

I think trivial is marginalizing it, but whatever. I've been running a full node for 6 years now and I can't recall an instance where it shut down and the underlying OS wasn't to blame. And again, the bug is less of a concern to me than how the entire event surrounding it was handled, but you don't seem to want to discuss that since you keep ignoring it.

A failure in one implementation is a failure in the entire system.

Recent events say otherwise. I'm not sure why you would make this claim.

To assume there are not bugs of similar scope in Core is a blindered approach.

I never made that claim.

Yes, as there has been a resistance within the community to develop a formal specification, we are reliant upon duking it out in the marketplace.

I've seen plenty of efforts to develop formal specifications in the Bitcoin ecosphere. I've also seen plenty of efforts to intentionally avoid or sidestep attempts at formal specifications. It's an open source project, so people are obviously going to do as they please.

Some day, I hope we can move past these baby steps to where we have multiple interoperating implementations from many teams.

That sounds great, except that's not how Bitcoin works if the "interoperating implementations" have different rule sets, once those rules come into question, those clients will isolate themselves. Example: If a block bigger than 1MB is mined by a miner using BU, the Core nodes and BU nodes will no longer be on the same network. I know you know this, but you are using flowery language to suggests otherwise for some reason.

In the meantime, a marginal implementation of the better design is far more valuable than any near-bulletproof implementation of a bad design. I continue to advocate BU.

Well at least you admit that BU is a marginal implementation. It's also a bad design. But hey, that's just like... my opinion, man.

You know, it's obvious we aren't going to agree, and I really think that's a shame. I think this constant infighting is exactly what people opposed to Bitcoin want to see (and the alt-coiners love it as well). Of course, there has been plenty of drama throughout Bitcoin's short existence and I'm confident that this will eventually just be another speed bump in the road.
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March 16, 2017, 05:10:39 PM

These rather trivial bugs exhibited recently by BU ....

I stopped reading there. And then I started laughing.... Buahahahahaahaaa!! A 0day exploit that allows a hacker to knock all BU nodes offline.... trivial he says......hahahahahahaaa!!!
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March 16, 2017, 05:26:52 PM

Hey gang. I heard someone mention something about blocksize and Bitcoin.

Does anyone here have an opinion on this?
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March 16, 2017, 05:35:44 PM

Bottom at $1210 because of maximum FUD? Not bad. Even BTC-e is above Finex.

That's way above the old bitstamp and bitfinex ATHs. If Bitcoin stays range bound betwen $1210 and $1260 for another month it's a good thing. If it keeps increasing in value too fast it's going to eventually get a hard correction. Slowly increasing in value is better.
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March 16, 2017, 05:52:37 PM


As you are so vocal about BU, let me ask you one question:

Would you accept if segwit would be in effect in the following six months and forget about all that BU nonsense at least for some time being? If not, what about segwit + 2M blocks? Or is this all about that you guys insist in that all present and future transactions have to be ALL done in main Bitcoin blockchain?

Why not do this? This should appease everyone am I right, at least does the time being.  And from now until when/if we need bigger blocks than 2MB the community should have a good handle on if they are needed or not.

This seems like the most logical objective compromise to me.
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