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June 09, 2017, 06:27:49 AM

I hope all of you have realized that most everyone in the bitcoin community is completely wrong about this scaling nonsense. This six month bull run in the face of a scaling nightmare only proves how meaningless scalability is to Bitcoin.

I doubt half the newbies discovering Bitcoin even know how to use a wallet yet. Most of them won't know or care about scalability. They just hear how much its increased in value since $150 and buy on an exchange. Last summer people said Bitcoin would crash because of the scalability debate, but the bull run's kept on going for a year since then.
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June 09, 2017, 06:39:53 AM

Blockchains can't scale. The market knows that already. No big woop.
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June 09, 2017, 06:56:56 AM

The likelihood of a worldwide apocalyptic event is staggeringly small. What could possibly happen to make every nation in the world including small islands in the Pacific to lose power, food, water, energy, etc?

A shtf event is more likely to hit one country ala Venezuela right now where Bitcoin is very useful. Or even a world war would leave small pockets of untouched nations that would welcome you and your bitcoins (your gold as well).

My shtf plan is mobility. First sign of bad things coming and I find my next country to live in. And they all take bitcoin.



You do know that an ice age has already started right?? That will last for a short period of time 20-30 years, but it still enough to attempt a decimation of the human race and trimming the current population numbers! Smiley


If the ice age happens we can just drive SUVs and cause global warming. Or whatever other lame things that are blamed for all of the warming going on.

Global freezing is so 1970s. It was changed to global warming in the 80s, then because they were both wrong they changed the term to climate change in the 00s. Get with the times bra.

So many different words for communism after the Soviet Union fell...it's hard to keep up.
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Global freezing is so 1970s. It was changed to global warming in the 80s, then because they were both wrong they changed the term to climate change in the 00s. Get with the times bra.

They should start calling it "Global Divergence" next, then they could say some places are getting colder and some hotter, all at the same time. They could sell CO2 credits with one hand to stop global warming, while selling cooling credits to businesses that reduce CO2 to stop global cooling. Get their cake and eat it too. Win win.
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Global freezing is so 1970s. It was changed to global warming in the 80s, then because they were both wrong they changed the term to climate change in the 00s. Get with the times bra.

They should start calling it "Global Divergence" next, then they could say some places are getting colder and some hotter, all at the same time. They could sell CO2 credits with one hand to stop global warming, while selling cooling credits to businesses that reduce CO2 to stop global cooling. Get their cake and eat it too. Win win.

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June 09, 2017, 07:33:57 AM

Even though you and I argue about some of the specifics, we likely are following a pretty similar practice

Probably - we've tangentially discussed our approaches before. I recall cautioning you a year or so ago not to overplay the 'making money off volatility' game. I used the example of me being wholly unprepared for the last bit of the 2013 rocket, and being left with a fistful of stinky fiat, no trading stash left, and no way to buy back in other than at a loss. Fortunately, I still had the bulk of my investment outside the game.

Since then I kept out of such activity - until recently. I'm 95% sure Bitcoin will continue at least to do another 10x if not 100x. But the price now is such that, should I exchange some BTC for fiat, I'm OK with it. As long as I retain the bulk for future appreciation. So I've restarted what I naively call 'laddered day trading' (I'm guessing there's an accepted term for it, but I have no clue what it may be).


Actually, yes, I recall you suggesting that I need to be careful about selling too much, and I do really like to engage other members about this kind of topic.

It is true that each of us should attempt to tailor our trading strategy to our own views, finances and circumstances - yet at the same time, we likely will also have to tweak our strategy, as we go along and even possibly have some regrets, like you said that we sold too much.

My current strategy is NOT really based on the desire to buy back at a lower price, but it is to attempt to protect myself from some of the downward volatility and to be able to buy back as the price drops by either using coins that I sold at a higher price or even engaging in some bulk buying, and it does not matter so much to me whether I am buying back at a higher price with some of the funds so long as there has been a decent sized correction. Furthermore, I am currently selling about 1% of my stash for every 10% rise in price and then buying back which causes me to sell a little bit less than 1% for every 10% rise - and yeah, sometimes I feel that I have to tweak the matter because I do end up with a lot of cash - they call that being cash rich.    But with that cash rich, I can either use some of that money to buy back, or just have some of that money for the purpose of consumer purchasing and just withdrawing it from bitcoin all together.. and to live my life with some pleasures.

Regarding the point of buying back at a profit or really I don't care so much about that so long as my overall stash is profitable because it all seems to kind of work itself out. 

Let's say for example that I sold in increments from $500 to $1350, and then the price dips to $890, and I buy back some of those coins, but I still have some dollars in reserve, and then I sell some more in increments from $890 to $2760, and then I buy back some of those in the dip down to $1850, but in the dip back down to $1850, I think that there is going to be one more dip, and then I fail to buy back and I still have fiat, just in case, but if the price goes to $1500, I could have used a large amount of that fiat, maybe even some of the fiat that I acquired from coins that I sold at $500-ish.

For some reason, even though sometimes we do not get decent corrections, I still have been able to buy back sufficiently in order to mostly work my fiat reserves, and yes, there will frequently be regrets or feelings that the fiat is not working hard enough... but anyhow, I still have found myself with mostly keeping more than 90% in BTC, even with really large price rises in BTC.. and largely my BTC stash continues to get larger, even with appreciating prices and my average cost per BTC continues to go down - even though I may not be exactly precise in my strategy in terms of making sure that I am not buying back at more than the price that I had sold at.  On average, in practice it still seems to work out, and the more money that I get in profits, the more that I feel comfortable creating large spreads in order that my investment can become a bit more passive (even though not completely passive, of course).


Regarding your prognosis of another 10x or 100x - those kinds of predictions do seem to be a ways into the future, and likely to have a few ups and downs before we proceed in that direction.. and really from the slums of 2015 in the low to mid $200s, we have largely done a 10x in the past 20 months-ish... .. so yeah, we could have a couple more 10xs.. but who the fuck knows how long it is going to take to play out and the extent to which we may have some more downs before we get ups.. but my tentative idea is that we have a move to $4k to $6k in the next 6 weeks (a 30%-ish chance of such) and then maybe a move to $12k to $20k in the late part of 2017 or the early part of 2018.. maybe a 20% or so chance of that second move - and yeah, to me, those seem pretty decent odds, even though objectively they are less likely than not...

I have a hard time putting 90% or 95% odds on anything that is so far into the future and has so many possible variables and human influence factors...
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June 09, 2017, 07:35:09 AM

Should be an interesting du.. hum day
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June 09, 2017, 08:05:27 AM

^^The master race up in here.  Roll Eyes

Not yet, but soon.


who are these douches?
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June 09, 2017, 08:40:24 AM

New ATH later today - so nice
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June 09, 2017, 09:27:26 AM

New ATH later today - so nice


I think its actually sideways... but who knows!?? Anything might be possible! (all that money that left UK again from their "Lira" ... needs to find their place somewhere!)  Grin  Grin  Cheesy
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June 09, 2017, 10:34:06 AM

I hope all of you have realized that most everyone in the bitcoin community is completely wrong about this scaling nonsense. [...]

Thanks for the proclamation from the throne.
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June 09, 2017, 10:35:15 AM

Blockchains can't scale. The market knows that already. No big woop.

Theer are some altcoin projects working on solving this issue. Let's see if they deliver.
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June 09, 2017, 12:06:58 PM


Apparently some goyim who have decided they will not be plundered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFIuATI0558
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June 09, 2017, 01:36:01 PM

Are we trying to push up or am I being a bit optimistic?

I'm usually completely wrong.
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June 09, 2017, 01:36:57 PM

Been away for about two weeks on a holiday, liquidized most of my assets before going on the holiday (probably not the best choice oh well).
Now looking to buy back in day / swing trading. Anybody care to give me a quick summary what is happening at the moment?
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June 09, 2017, 01:39:38 PM

Are we trying to push up or am I being a bit optimistic?

I'm usually completely wrong.

We used to expect a weekend dump, but it pushed up during a few weekends recently. Maybe Bitcoin will surprise us and push up again this weekend. It's only $100 below the ATH.
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June 09, 2017, 02:31:12 PM

New ATH later today - so nice


I think its actually sideways... but who knows!?? Anything might be possible! (all that money that left UK again from their "Lira" ... needs to find their place somewhere!)  Grin  Grin  Cheesy

$5000 is our new target ~ i'm serving beer this weekend $3000 will fade awayyyyyy ?  Cool  choo chooo >>> BTCBTCBTCBTCBTC Grin Grin Grin
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June 09, 2017, 02:33:48 PM

Are we trying to push up or am I being a bit optimistic?

I'm usually completely wrong.

We used to expect a weekend dump, but it pushed up during a few weekends recently. Maybe Bitcoin will surprise us and push up again this weekend. It's only $100 below the ATH.


most sports betting on weekends... people love betting on BTCBTCBTCBTCBTC  Wink  $5000-$10000 nobrainer *popcorn*
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June 09, 2017, 02:34:12 PM

Are we trying to push up or am I being a bit optimistic?

I'm usually completely wrong.

We used to expect a weekend dump, but it pushed up during a few weekends recently. Maybe Bitcoin will surprise us and push up again this weekend. It's only $100 below the ATH.
Being relatively new to bitcoin, I'm concerned with the fact that bitcoin moves mostly on weekends. Why is that or is this just what everyone has come to accept?  Since the numbers are quite high now and new prospective buyers feeling a bit tense in shelling out their dough, I suspect Bitcoin will be a bit more chill this weekend.  
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