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June 14, 2017, 10:42:33 AM


i am really getting confused. what will happen if... and what if...? can you tell me what you will do with your stash around august 1st? cash out to fiat? sit and wait?

my little stash is more money that i have ever possesed in my life. how can i protect it?

I'll be staying put whatever but your only real protection is USD, EUR or whatever and very extremely definitely not USDT. Forget every single alt completely and totally.

I believe this is all still posturing. It'll heat up far more as August 1st approaches. Rationality will win out, even if a minority is left far behind. Unlimited was firmly pissed all over by everyone who wasn't paid by Bitmain. This is even more of a fucking joke than that was.

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i am really getting confused. what will happen if... and what if...? can you tell me what you will do with your stash around august 1st? cash out to fiat? sit and wait?

my little stash is more money that i have ever possesed in my life. how can i protect it?

I'll be staying put whatever but your only real protection is USD, EUR or whatever and very extremely definitely not USDT. Forget every single alt completely and totally.

I believe this is all still posturing. It'll heat up far more as August 1st approaches. Rationality will win out, even if a minority is left far behind. Unlimited was firmly pissed all over by everyone who wasn't paid by Bitmain. This is even more of a fucking joke than that was.



Sounds like we have a couple of interesting (and volatile) months ahead =)
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June 14, 2017, 11:35:05 AM

Bitmain going ahead with private HF. Lips sealed
http://bitsonline.com/bitmain-plans-hard-fork-august/

I am sooooo going to dump the living fuck out of that.

The best thing is that they'll be throwing money at it to prop it up so we'll get even more non Bitmaincoin than before.

I believe it's the last desperate attempt to get out of something Jihan knows he can not escape from.SegWit2x is dead now as BU!
The people are not that dumb to jump on this highly centralized, premined chain. And if so it will be a very small crowd imo!
Imo it's just empty talk and will get clarified as "trolling" (to save face). Otherwise this move is in terms of his business operation totally self destruction.
This makes me even more bullish on Bitcoin!
And if he should fork off so be it. We will finally get rid of the tumor! This is good for all of us in the long run for Bitcoin as well of course!
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June 14, 2017, 11:35:15 AM

Article is light on details. Still, if it is what I think it is....

Everybody wants to rule the world these days. It will also be pre-mined. Still, I guess someone will buy it.

Buy it!? It will be Bitcoin, pure and simple.

And the pre-mine? Not a pre-mine of new coins on a new blockchain. A means of invalidating any progress the UASF makes.

The removal of the precise centrally-planned amount of witness discount is perhaps the removal of the most odious aspect of the SegWit Omnibus Changeset.

While I need to look further into details, I am very encouraged about this development. Big blocks, improved version of segwit, removal of the biggest bug Bitcoin has (the artificial constraint on system capacity), what's not to love?

And the funniest part is that this is nothing but the obvious* solution to the UASF-ers 'threat' to roll back the non-UASF chain.

* (like, duh)

I've not been this encouraged about the future in months.
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June 14, 2017, 11:36:39 AM

my little stash is more money that i have ever possesed in my life. how can i protect it?

Answer is the same as it ever was. Hodl.
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June 14, 2017, 11:38:00 AM

Unlimited was firmly pissed all over by everyone who wasn't paid by Bitmain.

Incorrect.


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June 14, 2017, 11:40:34 AM

Incorrect.

So almost every single exchange, wallet, developer, payment processor and miner who isn't paid by Bitmain isn't everyone?

Okey doke.
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June 14, 2017, 11:41:32 AM

Bitmain going ahead with private HF. Lips sealed
http://bitsonline.com/bitmain-plans-hard-fork-august/

I am sooooo going to dump the living fuck out of that.

The best thing is that they'll be throwing money at it to prop it up so we'll get even more non Bitmaincoin than before.

i am really getting confused. what will happen if... and what if...? can you tell me what you will do with your stash around august 1st? cash out to fiat? sit and wait?

my little stash is more money that i have ever possesed in my life. how can i protect it?

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Options

A) do nothing, if coins on exchange or in a 3rd party wallet you are at mercy of the exchange or wallet provider as to what happens
B) move coins to your own wallet or cold storage - choose after the fact which chain you want your coins to move onto
C) cash out to fiat - choose to buy back inn after the fact if you like on whichever chain wins
D) buy a different crypto/ combination of crypto (i.e. Diversify risk)  and wait and see what happens

The only really foolish decision is option A) although many will do this as doing nothing is the easiest thing to do, and what if all forks crash and I can't get my coins to exchange because fees.......also
If many coins leave exchanges without being sold then liquidity falls, vol rises and potentially price does to if buying demand remains constant as coin supply is reduced.
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June 14, 2017, 11:45:23 AM

Options

A) do nothing, if coins on exchange or in a 3rd party wallet you are at mercy of the exchange or wallet provider as to what happens
B) move coins to your own wallet or cold storage - choose after the fact which chain you want your coins to move onto
C) cash out to fiat - choose to buy back inn after the fact if you like on whichever chain wins
D) buy a different crypto/ combination of crypto (i.e. Diversify risk)  and wait and see what happens

The only really foolish decision is option A) although many will do this as doing nothing is the easiest thing to do, and what if all forks crash and I can't get my coins to exchange because fees.......also
If many coins leave exchanges without being sold then liquidity falls, vol rises and potentially price does to if buying demand remains constant as coin supply is reduced.

The difficulty thing needs to be kept in mind. It's possible a UASF chain will be painfully slow until it readjusts. I can imagine many people will be on exchanges that have declared they'll host both as otherwise it might be impractical to capitalise on it.
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June 14, 2017, 11:46:45 AM

Article is light on details. Still, if it is what I think it is....

Everybody wants to rule the world these days. It will also be pre-mined. Still, I guess someone will buy it.

Buy it!? It will be Bitcoin, pure and simple.

And the pre-mine? Not a pre-mine of new coins on a new blockchain. A means of invalidating any progress the UASF makes.

The removal of the precise centrally-planned amount of witness discount is perhaps the removal of the most odious aspect of the SegWit Omnibus Changeset.

While I need to look further into details, I am very encouraged about this development. Big blocks, improved version of segwit, removal of the biggest bug Bitcoin has (the artificial constraint on system capacity), what's not to love?

And the funniest part is that this is nothing but the obvious* solution to the UASF-ers 'threat' to roll back the non-UASF chain.

* (like, duh)

I've not been this encouraged about the future in months.

I think I am starting to understand your position on this issue. But, still, there are some questions I would like to ask you:

- Don't you think miners have already enough power with their hashrate that if they "win" this game they will be too much powerful than desirable?
Specially considering that "miners" is not exactly a distributed group, but mainly Jihan/Antminer... one single entity.
- From what you have just said, I think you are not against Segwit/LN, are you?

I "think" you are much more invested in Bitcoin than I am, so I supposse whatever you support you do it in your belief that it will be a price boost instead of the oppossite. Also you seem to be "tech inclined" so that's why I want to understand your position.
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June 14, 2017, 12:22:36 PM

Options

A) do nothing, if coins on exchange or in a 3rd party wallet you are at mercy of the exchange or wallet provider as to what happens
B) move coins to your own wallet or cold storage - choose after the fact which chain you want your coins to move onto
C) cash out to fiat - choose to buy back inn after the fact if you like on whichever chain wins
D) buy a different crypto/ combination of crypto (i.e. Diversify risk)  and wait and see what happens

The only really foolish decision is option A) although many will do this as doing nothing is the easiest thing to do, and what if all forks crash and I can't get my coins to exchange because fees.......also
If many coins leave exchanges without being sold then liquidity falls, vol rises and potentially price does to if buying demand remains constant as coin supply is reduced.

The difficulty thing needs to be kept in mind. It's possible a UASF chain will be painfully slow until it readjusts. I can imagine many people will be on exchanges that have declared they'll host both as otherwise it might be impractical to capitalise on it.

This is the great question... Who mines this chain? You can expect 2 weeks of mostly non blocks findings. The chaos is guaranteed
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June 14, 2017, 12:25:56 PM

This is the great question... Who mines this chain? You can expect 2 weeks of mostly non blocks findings. The chaos is guaranteed

There's certainly no shortage of people using their pocket money on Amazon hosted nodes. I haven't seen many or any signs of proper miners showing up yet.
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June 14, 2017, 12:42:18 PM

Hello, I am a long time lurker and just made myself an account. I've been in bitcoin for a while, but my stash is smaller than it could be. Long story.

I recently made myself a new account on Bitmex, mainly I'd like to lend crypto for interest. I have a couple questions.

1. What do you think of that exchange? Is it fair, honest etc? As a non-US citizen, it is one of the few exchanges that will let you trade and withdraw BTC without too much ID hassle.

2. Do you think it is possible to lend out a small part of my btc? I'm talking 0.5-1 btc.

3. Is this the right forum for such questions? If it isn't, please point me to a more appropriate discussion on bitcointalk, and I will delete this post from here.
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June 14, 2017, 01:09:19 PM

Hello, I am a long time lurker and just made myself an account. I've been in bitcoin for a while, but my stash is smaller than it could be. Long story.

I recently made myself a new account on Bitmex, mainly I'd like to lend crypto for interest. I have a couple questions.

1. What do you think of that exchange? Is it fair, honest etc? As a non-US citizen, it is one of the few exchanges that will let you trade and withdraw BTC without too much ID hassle.

2. Do you think it is possible to lend out a small part of my btc? I'm talking 0.5-1 btc.

3. Is this the right forum for such questions? If it isn't, please point me to a more appropriate discussion on bitcointalk, and I will delete this post from here.

If your stash is smaller than it could be because of mtgox or any other exchange issues and your are now thinking about lending in bitmex, then your learnt nothing.

1. It's not on my list of "fair" exchanges. But I don't have any reason to suspect much more from them than all the rest.

2- You can lend whatever quantity you want.

3- Probably there are better sections for this type of questions... but this is wall observer and there's not that much walls to observe nowadays.
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June 14, 2017, 01:26:23 PM

2nd. leg down.
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June 14, 2017, 01:36:00 PM

2nd. leg down.


For me it will only count, when it goes below the last one.
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June 14, 2017, 01:43:10 PM

That was ugly.
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June 14, 2017, 01:50:31 PM

Bear porn... who will sell at the bottom again?  Grin
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June 14, 2017, 01:52:43 PM

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
I don't know if Antminer has the firepower to pull this off. Their pools are big, how many other pools can pick up the slack if people decide they want to ditch antpool?

Likewise do they have a new chip in development?

They pulled a similar stunt on litecoin a few months back to try and ditch segwit (the new L3+ miners couldn't be shipped due to a software update, Bitmain offered to mine for clients and send them all earnings, meanwhile something was suddenly mining on the non-segwit pools. Weird coincidence of course) but that seemed to flame out.

Do they have a similar new tech for SHA? If so I could see a sale of the new chip as a "we will keep it in our data center and send you all the bitcoins minted, of course we will use them for our purposes (which could be mining a new shitcoin or competing with bitcoin). Totally valid as long as they pay out the mining revenue (which could come from reserves).

Owning a miner is a lot more than owning the bitcoin coming out of it.
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