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[aesma]

Yet, these small limitations on free speech are still there, simply because they're broadly accepted, not because a tyran imposed them.

you don't get the concept of human right if you think that anything broadly accepted is legit.

A bit like the 2nd amendment madness in the US ?

[Elwar]

So let's accept we are all doomed and i little sheeple just await the end. This saves me a lot of otherwise lost time. See you there!

Best thing to do is...

buy bitcoins and hodl!h

[Elwar]

I feel a weekend pump coming...will we push above $5k or is that going to be a tough one to push through?


On a different note I got a text from my sister of "wow, $4,400 that's amazing". I replied that I was pleased. She replied saying "you should start buying stuff".

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

[Dakustaking76]

I feel a weekend pump coming...will we push above $5k or is that going to be a tough one to push through?


On a different note I got a text from my sister of "wow, $4,400 that's amazing". I replied that I was pleased. She replied saying "you should start buying stuff".

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

Hm i think we Will see a correction slash dump.. the price isnt moving upwards
Its stuck in the range 3700€ The charts are Stanle But again we didnt brake upwards
I hope i am wrong

[gentlemand]

http://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/2107364/china-calls-rein-risks-surging-bitcoin-market

Hey look. It's another China 'ban' on the horizon.

[Torque]

On a different note I got a text from my sister of "wow, $4,400 that's amazing". I replied that I was pleased. She replied saying "you should start buying stuff".

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

We have this mindset everywhere implanted within our sheeple, too. It's indoctrinated, brainwashed into them since birth by the state, and reinforced as they grow up through life. They see it in media, magazines, in entertainment, through social media. Through their friends, colleagues, family. The idea that "stuff" is the only thing that is going to make you happy in life, and at every single chance, you should look to acquire more of it. If you don't, you are falling behind compared to everyone around you.

Because the state knows that 70% of the entire U.S. GDP is all consumption of stuff.  If consumption stops, the U.S. economy completely collapses. So they need you to buy buy buy crap, esp. crap you don't really need. God forbid that you stop buying crap, and actually try to save for the future. Oh no, the state doesn't want that. Can't have that. They want you to just consume stuff your entire miserable life, and die as you came into this world: with nothing. No estate or generational wealth for you.

Well, unless you are the 1% that is. For them the "consumption" rules and pressure don't really apply.

[r0ach]

So let's accept we are all doomed and i little sheeple just await the end. This saves me a lot of otherwise lost time. See you there!

Nobody is doomed, we just repeat ww2 all over again as nationalists vs the international marxist jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFIuATI0558

As you can see in that short video, history has repeated itself exactly because the marxists jews won ww2 and enacted all of the exact same actions over again, forming a state within a state and monopolies in media and finance (and govt by proxy) through nepotism to the detriment of the native inhabitants to try and rule over them as slaves.  This is engrained in their make believe talmudic doctrine that you are "goyim" slaves and they are the "chosen ones" to rule over you. If anyone attempts to enslave you, it's perfectly reasonable to defend yourself and expel them.

Just like Hitler said "are you willing to be plundered?", and the answer is no.  There are no "everyone wins" choices in this.  Most famous leaders through history had to make many Machiavellian choices where lots of people lose. Hitler is framed as the most "evil" leader, when in reality, people like Caesar were probably more brutal; yet nobody demonizes Caesar because...the Gauls Caesar fought don't control the media to use as their personal propaganda outlet, but the people Hitler fought do.

[ErisDiscordia]

On a different note I got a text from my sister of "wow, $4,400 that's amazing". I replied that I was pleased. She replied saying "you should start buying stuff".

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

We have this mindset everywhere implanted within our sheeple, too. It's indoctrinated, brainwashed into them since birth by the state, and reinforced as they grow up through life. They see it in media, magazines, through social media. Through their friends, colleagues, family. The idea that "stuff" is the only thing that is going to make you happy in life, and at every single chance, you should look to acquire more of it. If you don't, you are falling behind.

Because the state knows that 70% of the entire U.S. GDP is all consumption of stuff.  If consumption stops, the U.S. economy completely collapses. So they need you to buy buy buy crap, esp. crap you don't really need. God forbid that you stop buying crap, and actually try to save for the future. Oh no, the state doesn't want that. Can't have that. They want you to just consume stuff your entire miserable life, and die as you came into this world: poor. No estate or generational wealth for you. Well, unless you are the 1% that is.

It seems though that the oligarchs of the coming deflationary crypto-economy are largely free of this consumerist mindset. Makes me hopeful for the future - having large numbers of wealthy individuals concerned more about sponsoring models of a sustainable society as opposed to flaunting personal material wealth is a step in the right direction!

Even though I do see the odd "I'll buy a Lambo when BTC hits xx$ price" but it is the responsibility of the community to create a culture in which this kind of behavior will be frowned upon and denigrated as backwards. We shall pay no respects to this kind of behavior - quite the opposite!

[aesma]

Real estate isn't really "stuff".

If I had thousands of BTC I would definitely sell some to buy a couple of apartments. Sure I will lose the opportunity of BTC going higher for those coins, but at the same time I would protect my future.

[aesma]

So let's accept we are all doomed and i little sheeple just await the end. This saves me a lot of otherwise lost time. See you there!

Nobody is doomed, we just repeat ww2 all over again as nationalists vs the international marxist jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFIuATI0558

As you can see in that short video, history has repeated itself exactly because the marxists jews won ww2 and enacted all of the exact same actions over again, forming a state within a state and monopolies in media and finance (and govt by proxy) through nepotism to the detriment of the native inhabitants to try and rule over them as slaves.  This is engrained in their make believe talmudic doctrine that you are "goyim" slaves and they are the "chosen ones" to rule over you. If anyone attempts to enslave you, it's perfectly reasonable to defend yourself and expel them.

Just like Hitler said "are you willing to be plundered?", and the answer is no.  There are no "everyone wins" choices in this.  Most famous leaders through history had to make many Machiavellian choices where lots of people lose. Hitler is framed as the most "evil" leader, when in reality, people like Caesar were probably more brutal; yet nobody demonizes Caesar because...the Gauls Caesar fought don't control the media to use as their personal propaganda outlet, but the people Hitler fought do.

Jews didn't attack Hitler. Hitler invaded countries.

[r0ach]

Real estate isn't really "stuff".

It's a hell of a lot more "stuff" than make believe super mario tokens.  The only downside is that in lieu of hyperinflation, the price of real estate should collapse to 1/2 or less of what it is now, so they will likely print us into hyperinflation to prevent deflationary collapse since it's the lesser evil of allowing the system to continue for a brief period longer.  Silver is one of the few underpriced assets on the entire planet right now, while gold is also lower than it should be, but not anywhere to the extent of silver.

[Torque]

It seems though that the oligarchs of the coming deflationary crypto-economy are largely free of this consumerist mindset. Makes me hopeful for the future - having large numbers of wealthy individuals concerned more about sponsoring models of a sustainable society as opposed to flaunting personal material wealth is a step in the right direction!

Even though I do see the odd "I'll buy a Lambo when BTC hits xx$ price" but it is the responsibility of the community to create a culture in which this kind of behavior will be frowned upon and denigrated as backwards. We shall pay no respects to this kind of behavior - quite the opposite!

I'm hopeful for this as well. But for many Bitcoiners I see talking about their future, I'm not so convinced.

Going back to the brainwashing thing, I should mention that it is so powerful and insidious that in the U.S., millions of people play the lotto every week just for a tiny chance of striking it rich.

But if you go back and interview U.S. lotto winners (people who won $Ms) years after they won, statistically you find out that 98% of them blew every single dollar on "stuff" and are now completely bankrupt. That's how powerful the brainwashing is at birth, that these people just cannot help but buy buy buy all the crap that "society" said will make them happy.

[r0ach]

So let's accept we are all doomed and i little sheeple just await the end. This saves me a lot of otherwise lost time. See you there!

Nobody is doomed, we just repeat ww2 all over again as nationalists vs the international marxist jews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFIuATI0558

As you can see in that short video, history has repeated itself exactly because the marxists jews won ww2 and enacted all of the exact same actions over again, forming a state within a state and monopolies in media and finance (and govt by proxy) through nepotism to the detriment of the native inhabitants to try and rule over them as slaves.  This is engrained in their make believe talmudic doctrine that you are "goyim" slaves and they are the "chosen ones" to rule over you. If anyone attempts to enslave you, it's perfectly reasonable to defend yourself and expel them.

Just like Hitler said "are you willing to be plundered?", and the answer is no.  There are no "everyone wins" choices in this.  Most famous leaders through history had to make many Machiavellian choices where lots of people lose. Hitler is framed as the most "evil" leader, when in reality, people like Caesar were probably more brutal; yet nobody demonizes Caesar because...the Gauls Caesar fought don't control the media to use as their personal propaganda outlet, but the people Hitler fought do.

Jews didn't attack Hitler. Hitler invaded countries.

Jews attack people every day through usury and economic warfare.  Their intelligence agencies' motto is "by way of deception".  They don't field troops on a battlefield due to their small number.  They would be crushed instantly.  Everything is done by backstabbing, subterfuge, and other dishonest manipulation and trickery.  They're a pathetic, Woody Allen-like paper tiger that can only do things like financial manipulation and media propaganda.  As soon as they are named and exposed to the general public, they and all of their Goldman Sachs and federal reserve snakes will be destroyed.  It's getting close to that time now.

[aesma]

Usury was the job Christians gave Jews when they banned them from other jobs.

[Elwar]

Real estate isn't really "stuff".

If I had thousands of BTC I would definitely sell some to buy a couple of apartments. Sure I will lose the opportunity of BTC going higher for those coins, but at the same time I would protect my future.

Real Estate is certainly a wise investment. But I look at the US long term real estate market with two major things hanging over its head. The baby boomer generation that is now the retiring generation and soon to be in the old folks homes generation leaving a lot of empty homes. Also, property only holds its value because the government protects those property rights. As the US debt climbs and the budget requires more and more money to fund just the interest on that debt there will be a struggle by the government to find new sources of revenue. Property owners may end up in the cross hairs (among many sources) as they are already paying taxes...what's another one added on. Either through their local government, the state or the federal government directly. Or just simply the expanded use of eminent domain. When the majority of voters do not own property...they now own your property.

[r0ach]

Usury was the job Christians gave Jews when they banned them from other jobs.

Lol, that's a great lie you got there.  Religions ban usury because it's just an evil, obfuscated form of slavery, yet they're going to allow others to practice this evil against them?  Yea, no.  Many of these Ashkenazi Khazars aren't even real jews.  They converted to Judaism in the 5th century AD or something to avoid war with christians and muslims, then started trying to insert themselves as middlemen into these nation's affairs and lending to their kings to wage war against each other.  

They then decided why go through a middle man like a king when they can just issue the money directly to the citizens as a loan (debt based currency), so they were instrumental in overthrowing the monarchs in places like the French revolution.  The entire history of the modern world is nothing but Jewish economic warfare trying to enslave the common man.  They are parasites that have to be expelled.  It doesn't matter if not all of them are guilty of it. The facts through history show that if you only throw one or two of their Bernie Madoffs in jail, they are instantly replaced by new ones.  This is why so many nations have expelled ALL of them, over 109 times and counting.

Anyone that has a shred of knowledge on finance or history is against this evil cult.

[conspirosphere.tk]

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

A little mansion (or bunker) in the right place could help you to get fiscal residence there and could be useful for your retirement. Like in Panama maybe.

[bitserve]

I feel a weekend pump coming...will we push above $5k or is that going to be a tough one to push through?


On a different note I got a text from my sister of "wow, $4,400 that's amazing". I replied that I was pleased. She replied saying "you should start buying stuff".

I didn't really understand what she was talking about so I asked "like what?". Her response was "property"..."or a mansion".

I just told her I would rather retire than worry about stuff.

I think she is talking about diversifying your investment... that you convert some of your "digital money" into some "real assets" just in case it goes down again. It's a reasonable advice coming from a non-believer. And she is not completely wrong anyways.

[Torque]

I think she is talking about diversifying your investment... that you convert some of your "digital money" into some "real assets" just in case it goes down again. It's a reasonable advice coming from a non-believer. And she is not completely wrong anyways.

Diversifying a little bit into some other deflationary hard assets might not be a bad thing along the way. But what most people don't understand is that holding out for longer can reap enormous upside for bitcoin, so diversifying too soon can feel like a big mistake.

For example, why convert 20 bitcoins for a $86K piece of property now, when you might be able to do that for as little as 2 bitcoins just 5 years from now? Five years from now that property is not going to cost much more, if any more. Of course no one knows the future of the market, but the upside potential with bitcoin is unbelievable. Holding out on diversifying reaps crazy rewards.

[bitserve]

Real estate isn't really "stuff".

It's a hell of a lot more "stuff" than make believe super mario tokens.  The only downside is that in lieu of hyperinflation, the price of real estate should collapse to 1/2 or less of what it is now, so they will likely print us into hyperinflation to prevent deflationary collapse since it's the lesser evil of allowing the system to continue for a brief period longer.  Silver is one of the few underpriced assets on the entire planet right now, while gold is also lower than it should be, but not anywhere to the extent of silver.

I think you know even less about real state than you do about Bitcoin. The real state bubble exploded years ago. Maybe in some places/locations/type of property there is still some overprice.... but there are LOTS of great buying opportunities.

Ie: PLease tell me how do you consider this overpriced, and how could it go 1/2 from here?:

https://www.idealista.com/inmueble/32360792/

It's just an example. Could show you hundred of others.