Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[Last of the V8s]

https://medium.com/@blairerickson/how-is-a-corrupt-criminal-like-jamie-dimon-not-in-prison-for-fraud-f3a1e7eb4cf6

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[Warren Buffert]

Nevermind the fact all crypto is designed to centralize, thus invalidating it's entire claimed fundamental value proposition.

You can't centralize money if you lack a money printer + taxation/extortion system.

Tell that to those big btc pools.

[cAPSLOCK]

https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/909356077233221638

Every day in bitcoin is some jackass trying to fabricate some type of "fact" to justify why the price should be infinity and since the price is currently not infinity, it has to be undervalued.  Nevermind the fact all crypto is designed to centralize, thus invalidating it's entire claimed fundamental value proposition.

One sure way to invalidate your argument is to distort the message of you opposition ad absurdum.

As far as I know $25k is waaaay less than $∞.  And saying something might happen in 5 years is waaaay different that saying something "should be".

[CristiTCM]

ATH guess 01/02/2018

Where are you from though? In the uk I'd read that as 1st Feb 2018. US would read that as Jan 2nd.

Looks like Australia from time. How do they read there? We read it like English.

Actually i'm from Romania

[Torque]

https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/909356077233221638

The "1% establishment" is just pissed that there are way more people in the world that own $5K worth of bitcoin, than there are that own $5K worth of any of the FANG stocks. This is especially true in countries with a shitload of personal debt.

The "1% establishment" doesn't have a corner on the Bitcoin market through excessive derivative leverage, nor do they have a majority stake, and as such will not get uber rich if all the Average Joes continue to buy up bitcoin to the moon over time. They also can't just whip up more bitcoin from thin air like they can/do with stocks. That is why they absolutely hate it. Because they ultimately can't benefit from it and continue to get enriched from it, like they do from stocks, 401ks, etc.

[jbreher]

You are feeling pretty bold with your lillie thread take over...

'thread take over'? Get over it.

I mean, sure - it's irritating to have to deal with incessant walls-o-text (hint, hint), but it is directly related to the thread topic.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Reddit gold:

Crypto is fragmanted unlike other asset exchanges. We do not have 1 large exchange. There are 100's. Each exchange is small compared to centralized stock exchanges. On the stock market, a 10 million buy / sell is meaningless and not enough to move the market. In the independent exchanges in crypto, a small 10 million order has the power to set price. Do you ever wonder why the hell anyone puts in multi-million dollar market orders? The reason they do is to take out part of the order book, causing a large price change, which in turn may be enough to trigger all the stops. Whenever the price crashes, you will always see a series of market sells which then start a chain reaction, dropping the price by a lot.
Before the sell off, they set buys at the level they think they can push to. Basically, they sell for 10 million then buy back in at 9 making a million profit in less than an hour. Rinse and repeat. To help with all this, they also set large buy / sell walls trying to intimidate people to move into a direction they need. Those are those magical ones that are there and poof, they are gone before anyone buys or sells into them. Plus, they employ bots which help to keep constant pressure to one direction, for example buying 25k per minute on the buy side while selling 20k on the other. That creates upward pressure and they are basically buying their own shit back and forth. When they think they reached a resistance level that may become difficult to cross, they start the market rate sell offs. The price of Bitcoin is what they tell us it is since they are creating most of the demand.
They want bitcoin at 5k? they will do it and we just go along for the ride. When they start the huge sell offs at 5k and price goes to 3k, we are along for that ride as well. Until the market matures and all these small exchanges consolidate, we will always be at the mercy of the guys with the most money. This "out in the open" manipulation is why many finance people keep saying fraud. The price is set by market manipulation and not by actual demand or use. Bitcoin went from 900 to 4900 in 6 months. Ever wonder why? Seriously, no one is using it for payments, or any real financial transactions outside of dark markets whose usage actually went down after the silk road bust. So if no one is actually using it more, why would price go 5x for no great reason? The answer to that is that pro traders with millions in backing have found a market that they can manipulate with no repercussions.
Add to that the fact that they know so many in this market have absolutely no finance experience allows them to keep sucking newbies into buying at completely inflated prices that have no real reason to actually be at that level other then the artificially created demand and upwards pressure they are creating.
So there it is in a nutshell. Which is also the reason nobody should EVER gamble their savings on this type of "anything goes" market. No matter what tools you use to predict this market, it will never do what you think it will because you can't predict what an individual may want to do. It wasn't like this before but all the hype is bringing in the well funded Wall street sharks who believe they have found the Disneyland of finance markets. And, they have.

[fabiorem]

If bitcoin will be $25k each this year, it will still be cheap.

Bitcoin was designed to be the GLOBAL currency, that is, the so-much dreamed currency of the globalists, except that, in this case, they aren't controlling it, as it is decentralized.

[Last of the V8s]

Youtube bitcoin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPcuWC5qmbE

[Torque]

Reddit gold:

<snip>

If that guy thinks that the stock market is actually better, he should read my take on it here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2098580.msg21161390#msg21161390

[jbreher]

ATH guess 01/02/2018

Where are you from though? In the uk I'd read that as 1st Feb 2018. US would read that as Jan 2nd.

ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04

date formats in the above sentence from the original xkcd tooltip - is one to conclude some message from the ironic usage?

[AlcoHoDL]

I don't know Why but i Just want to make same ATH guess like last time
Rules ....: the one  with the right date of ATH gets .25 btc paid directly  (UTC time)    (closest to ATH.....)
I look to Every page in here from now When a date is picked first iT cannot been taken again ( 1st =1st)
Another .25 btc is rewarded for ho makes best of technical analyse of the time When we strike ATH.... and Why iT happens at that time.....
So This .25 also only to been payed 1 time .... and not 2 times te same explanation.... (1st =1st)

Both answers to win must been inside before 20-09-2017
Goodluck to the ones that like This 

UPDATE listmaking                 notice a * is when the person put good enough explanation for other .25 BTC  (person with no * only play ATH or have to put little better )

19/9 rayx12
25/9 binaryreign*
28/9 khufuking
29/9 jhayzxenon*
30/9 yermom
04/10 minermannc
05/10 punisher1314*
07/10 player514*
10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER
11/10 ted e. bare
13/10 cryptoqueeen*
14/10 bitcoinaire*
15/10 ludwigvon*
17/10 shroomskit_disgrace
18/10 dakustaking76
19/10 birobob*
20/10 leowonderful
21/10 paashaas
22/10 cmacwiz*
23/10 spaceman_spiff_original*
25/10 soullyG
26/10 weltmaster*
28/10 entons*
29/10 roombot*
30/10 notme*
31/10 twocorn
01/11 YamashitaRen
02/11 orpington
03/11 Haciendo*
04/11 lilloboy
05/11 jojo69*
06/11 d_eddie*
07/11 empowering*
08/11 northyplole*
09/11 podyx*
10/11 u9y42*
11/11 starving_marvin
13/11 dotto*
14/11 hazukison*
15/11 organic*
17/11 foxygoxy*
19/11 arriemoller
20/11 drbrockcoin*
22/11 rakessh
21/11 icygreen*
23/11 erisdiscordia
24/11 oblox*
25/11 mfort312*
26/11 globbo*
27/11 lfc_bitcoin
28/11 conspirosphere.tk*
29/11 rjclarck2000
30/11 last of the v8s *
01/12 newworldcoiner*
02/12 souspeed*
04/12 sgk*
05/12 fluidjax
08/12 imbatman
10/12 fragout*
11/12 itod
12/12 lontonbit*
15/12 philivey
16/12 marcus_of_augustus*
17/12 mattimann
18/12 coincube*
24/12 bones261*
26/12 karatma1*
28/12 deathangel*
30/12 erre
31/12 elwar
01/01/2018 lewis pirenne*
02/01/2018 addressed*
18/01/2018 raja_mbz*
21/12 2dogs
22/01/2018 _javi_
26/01/2018 kurious*
28/01/2018 steelboy*
01/02/2018 cristitcm
18/02/2018 in the silence
20/04/2018 fractal universe*
15/06/2018 samson
16/08/2018 samarkand

hope to still got  everybody    LIST IS GROWING NICELY   ( hope to be sending BTC soooooon  )

hi micgoossens, please include me for the date of...

29/01/2018

Many thanks, good luck (to me, of course)! 

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Reddit gold:

<snip>

If that guy thinks that the stock market is actually better, he should read my take on it here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2098580.msg21161390#msg21161390

Real things

Most people have absolutely no clue how stocks in the stock market work.

Before a company "IPOs", basically a launch valuation is determined by (get this) the angel investors themselves. The launch valuation is based on some future market valuation of the company that may or may not ever happen. The stock is basically "pre-mined" and the lions share (99%) of the shares go into the hands of the owners, employees, and original investors of the company. The remaining tiny float hits the exchange market.

You have to then pay market value for the stock, whether or not you agree with its initial valuation. This in turn makes the original investors instant paper millionaires or in some cases billionaires. Lucky for you, they have a lock up period and can't just instantly dump on your head. But they will eventually sell their shares over time.

The value of the stock you have bought can decrease if the company "issues" more stock shares. This is called dilution. I believe this also happens covertly when huge Wall Street and banking entities and investors want to get more exposure to a stock. The issuer can "print" more on the down low and the public never even hears about it.

When you buy a company stock, you are not getting access to the actual stock. You are buying from a pool of shares allocated to market makers. The stock is not something that you can even "own" directly. You are basically leasing an IOU from a market maker. You will never get access to a stock market certificate of ownership. Ever. Even if you tried.

Market makers are free to let other funds "borrow" their (and thus your) stocks as collateral for other investments(!) The stocks you supposedly have a claim to can be hypothecated and re-hypothecated over and over again. Think fractional reserve for stocks. This is extremely dangerous and irresponsible, but all perfectly legal.

When your stock that you supposedly own crashes, and you have stops set, guess who gets paid their money first on the way down? Not you little guppy.

If the funds that "borrowed" your stock have a sudden liquidity crisis, guess who takes the haircut first to pay back the losses? Yes, a bail-in can happen with your stock portfolio, and it is all perfectly legal. Go read the fine print on your broker agreement. It is all there.

This is why the Bitcoin market may actually be the most honest and transparent market on the planet right now.

Now the ICO token market. Yeah... that is another story... a complete scam... the tulip bulb analogy fits there.

[conspirosphere.tk]

Nevermind the fact all crypto is designed to centralize, thus invalidating it's entire claimed fundamental value proposition.

You can't centralize money if you lack a money printer + taxation/extortion system.

Tell that to those big btc pools.

No need to.
They can't print for free; They can sell only once each coin; There are few barriers to competition.

[Colonel Panic]

micgoossens, kindly put me down for 24/10/17*

*by then we'll have had five weeks for China to show they can route round exchanges loss with one or more OTC variations, and Segwit 2x - another wing of the ongoing Chinese attempted take over of protocol decision-making power - will have climbed down because of rejection from all independent economic players. They might even (ironically) blame the 'turmoil' in China to postpone.

edit: name misspelling. sorry

[vortex1878]

You are feeling pretty bold with your lillie thread take over...

'thread take over'? Get over it.

I mean, sure - it's irritating to have to deal with incessant walls-o-text (hint, hint), but it is directly related to the thread topic.

Oh, thanks for that.
But please just stop quoting this idiot. The toast I had this morning was way more intelligent than this fucktard.

[sirazimuth]

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hope to still got  everybody    LIST IS GROWING NICELY   ( hope to be sending BTC soooooon   )

hey micg
I'll take 12/11 please. it's a shoo in.
why? well because its still available and i just took it, thank you!...

[600watt]

I don't know Why but i Just want to make same ATH guess like last time
Rules ....: the one  with the right date of ATH gets .25 btc paid directly  (UTC time)    (closest to ATH.....)
I look to Every page in here from now When a date is picked first iT cannot been taken again ( 1st =1st)
Another .25 btc is rewarded for ho makes best of technical analyse of the time When we strike ATH.... and Why iT happens at that time.....
So This .25 also only to been payed 1 time .... and not 2 times te same explanation.... (1st =1st)

Both answers to win must been inside before 20-09-2017
Goodluck to the ones that like This 

UPDATE listmaking                 notice a * is when the person put good enough explanation for other .25 BTC  (person with no * only play ATH or have to put little better )

19/9 rayx12
25/9 binaryreign*
28/9 khufuking
29/9 jhayzxenon*
30/9 yermom
04/10 minermannc
05/10 punisher1314*
07/10 player514*
10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER
11/10 ted e. bare
13/10 cryptoqueeen*
14/10 bitcoinaire*
15/10 ludwigvon*
17/10 shroomskit_disgrace
18/10 dakustaking76
19/10 birobob*
20/10 leowonderful
21/10 paashaas
22/10 cmacwiz*
23/10 spaceman_spiff_original*
25/10 soullyG
26/10 weltmaster*
28/10 entons*
29/10 roombot*
30/10 notme*
31/10 twocorn
01/11 YamashitaRen
02/11 orpington
03/11 Haciendo*
04/11 lilloboy
05/11 jojo69*
06/11 d_eddie*
07/11 empowering*
08/11 northyplole*
09/11 podyx*
10/11 u9y42*
11/11 starving_marvin
13/11 dotto*
14/11 hazukison*
15/11 organic*
17/11 foxygoxy*
19/11 arriemoller
20/11 drbrockcoin*
22/11 rakessh
21/11 icygreen*
23/11 erisdiscordia
24/11 oblox*
25/11 mfort312*
26/11 globbo*
27/11 lfc_bitcoin
28/11 conspirosphere.tk*
29/11 rjclarck2000
30/11 last of the v8s *
01/12 newworldcoiner*
02/12 souspeed*
04/12 sgk*
05/12 fluidjax
08/12 imbatman
10/12 fragout*
11/12 itod
12/12 lontonbit*
15/12 philivey
16/12 marcus_of_augustus*
17/12 mattimann
18/12 coincube*
24/12 bones261*
26/12 karatma1*
28/12 deathangel*
30/12 erre
31/12 elwar
01/01/2018 lewis pirenne*
02/01/2018 addressed*
18/01/2018 raja_mbz*
21/12 2dogs
22/01/2018 _javi_
26/01/2018 kurious*
28/01/2018 steelboy*
01/02/2018 cristitcm
18/02/2018 in the silence
20/04/2018 fractal universe*
15/06/2018 samson
16/08/2018 samarkand

hope to still got  everybody    LIST IS GROWING NICELY   ( hope to be sending BTC soooooon  )

hi micgoossens, please include me for the date of...

29/01/2018

Many thanks, good luck (to me, of course)! 

dear micgoossens,

I pick the 18/11/2017 as the day we will reach new ath.

will give a detailed explanation later.

thank you

[Torque]

If anyone ever doubted that some of Bitcoin's run ups in prior years weren't manipulation by nefarious whales that had a known vulnerability (exploit, exchange hack, etc.) waiting in their back pocket to take the market back down (crash and short), look no further than Equifax's stock chart since 2013:

https://www.google.com/search?q=equifax+stock&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Zoom out to max and compare the last 3 years performance to the years prior to 2013. There's just no way that company was suddenly worth that much more since 2013 (up 300%). The insider whales had and were sitting on the security exploit the whole time. They were just waiting to run the stock up first.

[El duderino_]

I don't know Why but i Just want to make same ATH guess like last time
Rules ....: the one  with the right date of ATH gets .25 btc paid directly  (UTC time)    (closest to ATH.....)
I look to Every page in here from now When a date is picked first iT cannot been taken again ( 1st =1st)
Another .25 btc is rewarded for ho makes best of technical analyse of the time When we strike ATH.... and Why iT happens at that time.....
So This .25 also only to been payed 1 time .... and not 2 times te same explanation.... (1st =1st)

Both answers to win must been inside before 20-09-2017
Goodluck to the ones that like This 

UPDATE listmaking                 notice a * is when the person put good enough explanation for other .25 BTC  (person with no * only play ATH or have to put little better )

19/9 rayx12
25/9 binaryreign*
27/9 xhomerx10
28/9 khufuking
29/9 jhayzxenon*
30/9 yermom
02/10 bitchick *
03/10 ^BuTcH^
04/10 minermannc
05/10 punisher1314*
07/10 player514*
09/10 Oinas*
10/10 bikerlezno*     LAST WINNER
11/10 ted e. bare
12/10 harrymmmm*
13/10 cryptoqueeen*
14/10 bitcoinaire*
15/10 ludwigvon*
16/11 Heater*
17/10 shroomskit_disgrace
18/10 dakustaking76
19/10 birobob*
20/10 leowonderful
21/10 paashaas
22/10 cmacwiz*
23/10 spaceman_spiff_original*
24/10 colonel panic
25/10 soullyG
26/10 weltmaster*
28/10 entons*
29/10 roombot*
30/10 notme*
31/10 twocorn
01/11 YamashitaRen
02/11 orpington
03/11 Haciendo*
04/11 lilloboy
05/11 jojo69*
06/11 d_eddie*
07/11 empowering*
08/11 northyplole*
09/11 podyx*
10/11 u9y42*
11/11 starving_marvin
12/11 sirazimuth*
13/11 dotto*
14/11 hazukison*
15/11 organic*
17/11 foxygoxy*
18/11 600watt
19/11 arriemoller
20/11 drbrockcoin*
22/11 rakessh
21/11 icygreen*
23/11 erisdiscordia
24/11 oblox*
25/11 mfort312*
26/11 globbo*
27/11 lfc_bitcoin
28/11 conspirosphere.tk*
29/11 rjclarck2000
30/11 last of the v8s *
01/12 newworldcoiner*
02/12 souspeed*
03/12 jaapgvk
04/12 sgk*
05/12 fluidjax
08/12 imbatman
09/12 yonton
10/12 fragout*
11/12 itod
12/12 lontonbit*
13/12 CistaCista
14/12 cAPSLOCK
15/12 philivey
16/12 marcus_of_augustus*
17/12 mattimann
18/12 coincube*
24/12 bones261*
26/12 karatma1*
28/12 deathangel*
30/12 erre
31/12 elwar
01/01/2018 lewis pirenne*
02/01/2018 addressed*
18/01/2018 raja_mbz*
21/12 2dogs
22/01/2018 _javi_
26/01/2018 kurious*
28/01/2018 steelboy*
29/01/2018 alcohodl
01/02/2018 cristitcm
18/02/2018 in the silence
20/04/2018 fractal universe*
15/05/2018 oldtimegin*
15/06/2018 samson
16/08/2018 samarkand

hope to still got  everybody    LIST IS GROWING NICELY   ( hope to be sending BTC soooooon  )