Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[ChartBuddy]

[blackreplica]

We're getting major lag spikes. Haven't seen these in a while



On a more serious note...can anyone here speculate as to what has driven demand these past few hours? The only significant news in that window was the Nikkei crash.

Are people really seeing bitcoin as a safe haven? Or is something else at play?

[icekiss]

look at the changes in asks and bids: lots of asks pulled, and lots of new bids inserted.

though I've also got a question: what is up with green downward bars on the bid side? 

[moocowpong1]

Agreed, moonshot bids for $20 coins don't really count. I keep meaning to create an index that divides each bid/ask by the % distance from the current MMR. I think it would be much more insightful. I just can't square the maths to adjust for the fact that bids only differ by 100% but asks can be many 1000% higher. Anyone know how to properly adjust for that?

Simple, just base it on the logarithm of the price.

[kiko]

ATTENTION SHOPPERS. ATTENTION SHOPPERS.
We are having a 5% discount sale on Bitcoins all this week.
Head on over to the BitStamp aisle where we have half a million dollars for the first customers in line.
Thank you and have a nice day.

[xorglub]

I wouldn't consider bitcoin as a "safe" heaven, but the alternatives have turned sour in the last few days/months...

Gold and silver are down
stocks just took a beating (2008 in the making ?)
fiat is being constantly inflated
commodities are up but for investing

so probably a lot of investors are getting out of the stock market at the moment and while they won't go all in we may see some now money testing the waters over the next few weeks.

[samson]

ATTENTION SHOPPERS. ATTENTION SHOPPERS.
We are having a 5% discount sale on Bitcoins all this week.
Head on over to the BitStamp aisle where we have half a million dollars for the first customers in line.
Thank you and have a nice day.

A lot of those coins are not going to get sold on Bitstamp, they will end up back on MtGox.

[Coinseeker]

ATTENTION SHOPPERS. ATTENTION SHOPPERS.
We are having a 5% discount sale on Bitcoins all this week.
Head on over to the BitStamp aisle where we have half a million dollars for the first customers in line.
Thank you and have a nice day.

ATTENTION SHOPPERS.  ATTENTION SHOPPERS.

We regret to inform you that the sale has been cancelled.
This employee has just been fired for spreading false rumors.
Please return to Mt.Gox so the rest of us can continue to take
advantage of the BitStamp discounts.

Thank you and have a nice day.  

[Rampion]

It looks like the ask wall at $127 is not going to be removed. Anyhow, it is a miniwall (aprox. BTC700). Let's see if the bulls are able to make it fall.

[icekiss]

While the relly at mt.gox is taking a small breather, at bitstamp BTC continue to be bought up.
Ask wall at 120.5$ just got broken through. And isn't it crazy that the ticker for the last 2 1/2 hours on bitstamp looks like a moving average? There aren't any downticks at all.  

Edit: pic as proof:

[samson]

While the relly at mt.gox is taking a small breather, at bitstamp BTC continue to be bought up.
Ask wall at 120.5$ just got broken through. And isn't it crazy that the ticker for the last 2 1/2 hours on bitstamp looks like a moving average? There aren't any downticks at all.  

That's hardly surprising considering how low the bid amounts and quantities have been.

[samson]

That's much better than before.

If you had the numbers for each dollar rotated 90 degrees it would be even better. Then you could display the $ amounts for every $ and not every 5.

[Rampion]

As this is our own FUD-spreading thread, let me quote you the email that the Blockchain.info operator got from Twilio, regarding a possible action against Bitcoin in China:

Hi Ben,

We got further information from our carrier confirming that business such as bitcoin is not a proper financial tool in China and the Authority may treat bitcoin as an illegal business. Unfortunately the China Telecom Authority has requested that all bit-coin traffic to China be blocked.

As the provider of the phone number, Twilio is responsible for assuring the carriers that no more traffic related to bitcoin will be sent to China. Therefore, I have removed your international SMS permission to China. Please do not turn this on or try sending SMS messages to mobile numbers in China. Doing so will very likely lead to immediate account suspension.

Again I'm sorry for the convenience. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thanks,
Twilio Customer Support

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg2243603#msg2243603

[samson]

As this is our own FUD-spreading thread, let me quote you the email that the Blockchain.info operator got from Twilio, regarding a possible action against Bitcoin in China:

Hi Ben,

We got further information from our carrier confirming that business such as bitcoin is not a proper financial tool in China and the Authority may treat bitcoin as an illegal business. Unfortunately the China Telecom Authority has requested that all bit-coin traffic to China be blocked.

As the provider of the phone number, Twilio is responsible for assuring the carriers that no more traffic related to bitcoin will be sent to China. Therefore, I have removed your international SMS permission to China. Please do not turn this on or try sending SMS messages to mobile numbers in China. Doing so will very likely lead to immediate account suspension.

Again I'm sorry for the convenience. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
Thanks,
Twilio Customer Support

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg2243603#msg2243603

Any Chinese who want to buy will find a way, especially if it's banned.

[MickeyT2008]

Trading appears to have stopped, this seems suspicious

Edit:  One or two trades happening now, maybe everyone was just on a tea break

[Ultraviolet]

That's the thing about China, you can get wiped out by the CCP at any time, and once it begins you can't do anything about it. People who are throwing huge sums of BTC into Asic Miner shares don't seem to realize that. The risk of ruin from being totally wiped out in an AM investment is multiple times higher than being totally wiped out in a straight BTC investment is. But people are thrilled to get 0.02B in dividends, so they get what they deserve.

[Its About Sharing]

OK summary time:

-Asks are dropping
-Bitstamp Orderbook is looking better every hour
-We are still at 125, though on low volume, nothing pulled it back this time
-Low Volume german exchange bitcoin.de: availaible Coins steadily decreasing
-Recent Good news not priced in yet ( i think)
-No Apocalypse regarding the dwolla issue
-Another spike in Chinas interest this week (yeah i wouldn't call it a hype either, but you get the idea)

Bullish to me, see you at the top.

Thanks for the info.

How are you tracking Bitcoin.de's available coins? I see it available on their marketplace section of the website, but is there also a record of it? (You have one maybe???)
I just looked and there are 4369 coins available. I think the other day it was at 7k but can't be sure.

[Kazu]

Something weird here:



Look at that chart. Both the bid and ask amounts are declining. But then you notice that a "tick" down for bids is drawn in such a way that it is much more than a "tick" down for the asks. Yet, the price is going up. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from this is that people are slowly realizing that being in the Gox orderbook (which is public knowledge and reported as market depth) is an inherent disadvantage, and thus while the bid and ask sums are declining the trades are still being executed through market orders or very-close-to-market-orders.

[Rampion]

Something weird here:

Look at that chart. Both the bid and ask amounts are declining. But then you notice that a "tick" down for bids is drawn in such a way that it is much more than a "tick" down for the asks. Yet, the price is going up. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from this is that people are slowly realizing that being in the Gox orderbook (which is public knowledge and reported as market depth) is an inherent disadvantage, and thus while the bid and ask sums are declining the trades are still being executed through market orders or very-close-to-market-orders.

IMO that only means that both fiat and coins are saying "bye bye" to MtGox, slowly but steadily.

[Kazu]

Something weird here:

Look at that chart. Both the bid and ask amounts are declining. But then you notice that a "tick" down for bids is drawn in such a way that it is much more than a "tick" down for the asks. Yet, the price is going up. The only logical conclusion that can be drawn from this is that people are slowly realizing that being in the Gox orderbook (which is public knowledge and reported as market depth) is an inherent disadvantage, and thus while the bid and ask sums are declining the trades are still being executed through market orders or very-close-to-market-orders.

IMO that only means that both fiat and coins are saying "bye bye" to MtGox, slowly but steadily.

That only partially explains this. The issue is that dollar volume is still roughly in the same range it always was.