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[Dakustaking76]

I'm bullish for long term BTC, and will only support the original Core Chain, but the times are very uncertain and locking in some profits now is probably a wise move, (TBH I've already completed a sell, as I don't want to get caught in a rush for the door).

Im  still weighing these options, not decided yet:

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2]keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.

4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.

5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

--- aditional possible options:
*short BTC - but it would be against my "no BTC shorting" rule #1 of trading
*spend some bitcoin for hardware and stuff, before it (possibly) drops.

atm I still think we may see another ATH before fork, as people will panic buy, so they can get free b2x forked coins. ( hedging against the the takeover/death of BTC)

The original chain Will survive
The original chain is Just under attack Thats all
To get more free coins
If  SegwitX2 has more hashrate iT doenst mean that Will survive

[starmman]

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2] keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.
4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.
5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

I'm going for a combo of options 2 and 5. After the BCC|BCH fork some of the larger alts like XMR rocketed - Not sure if history will repeat itself - but certainly worth speculating over, if so there will likely be a small correction in BTC price - but nothing to cry about...

[Torque]

"conferences about Bitcoin"
https://youtu.be/CHhcy_QQghU?t=13m15s

W T F   is that guys? Out of all the videos, only the first one was bearable (this one: https://youtu.be/hXRhIXp4idM), thanks to the pretty girls... How is it possible that people fall for this sh*t?

Damn!

people. are. stupid.

you can NEVER overestimate the levels of stupid that exist. never.

I can tell by the smug people in suits and the production values that they are going to fuck so many gullible people over.

[AlcoHoDL]

I'm bullish for long term BTC, and will only support the original Core Chain, but the times are very uncertain and locking in some profits now is probably a wise move, (TBH I've already completed a sell, as I don't want to get caught in a rush for the door).

Im  still weighing these options, not decided yet:

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2]keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.

4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.

5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

--- aditional possible options:
*short BTC - but it would be against my "no BTC shorting" rule #1 of trading
*spend some bitcoin for hardware and stuff, before it (possibly) drops.

atm I still think we may see another ATH before fork, as people will panic buy, so they can get free b2x forked coins. ( hedging against the the takeover/death of BTC)

Call me stupid, but I'm thinking of buying some more coins now... The thing is, if I buy after the fork, then which chain branch will my coins belong to? I don't want to have this uncertainty. I believe in Bitcoin, and even it there is a big drop, I believe and hope it will pick up again. So my losses will be in the short term. It has happened to me before, and HoDLing has rewarded me. Hopefully, after all is said and done, we will be left with valuable coins.

[Searing]

I'm bullish for long term BTC, and will only support the original Core Chain, but the times are very uncertain and locking in some profits now is probably a wise move, (TBH I've already completed a sell, as I don't want to get caught in a rush for the door).

Im  still weighing these options, not decided yet:

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2]keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.

4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.

5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

--- aditional possible options:
*short BTC - but it would be against my "no BTC shorting" rule #1 of trading
*spend some bitcoin for hardware and stuff, before it (possibly) drops.

atm I still think we may see another ATH before fork, as people will panic buy, so they can get free b2x forked coins. ( hedging against the the takeover/death of BTC)

The original chain Will survive
The original chain is Just under attack Thats all
To get more free coins
If  SegwitX2 has more hashrate iT doenst mean that Will survive

still, think it is a plot so slam the price down to like 3k a bitcoin...even if these forks fail...likely price will reflect cheap coin as the fallback option if they can't win the chain from bitcoin core

[afbitcoins]

I'm bullish for long term BTC, and will only support the original Core Chain, but the times are very uncertain and locking in some profits now is probably a wise move, (TBH I've already completed a sell, as I don't want to get caught in a rush for the door).

Im  still weighing these options, not decided yet:

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2]keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.

4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.

5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

--- aditional possible options:
*short BTC - but it would be against my "no BTC shorting" rule #1 of trading
*spend some bitcoin for hardware and stuff, before it (possibly) drops.

atm I still think we may see another ATH before fork, as people will panic buy, so they can get free b2x forked coins. ( hedging against the the takeover/death of BTC)

The original chain Will survive
The original chain is Just under attack Thats all
To get more free coins
If  SegwitX2 has more hashrate iT doenst mean that Will survive

Well I'll be a little bit pedantic but the original chain is an abstract concept with more than one which can claim ancestry of transactions leading back to genesis block. Maybe what you actually mean is the current bitcoin core team will retain the bitcoin brand for their chain?

[Torque]

I'm bullish for long term BTC, and will only support the original Core Chain, but the times are very uncertain and locking in some profits now is probably a wise move, (TBH I've already completed a sell, as I don't want to get caught in a rush for the door).

Im  still weighing these options, not decided yet:

1] to sell BTC now, in case bitcoin+b2x will go down, and after the fork both BTC+b2x will not add up to current price-so it would be cheaper to buy them after that
2]keep my BTC until I get b2x forked coins and then try to dump both as fast as possible, and wait. - the risk is it can drop down much faster before I'll be able to sell.
3] do nothing and keep both BTC and b2x indefinitely, hoping for the best. but i don't want to support any rogue fork or bitcoin takeover attempt.- therefore i would rather be out of BTC completely than hold b2x.

4] get out of all cryptos to fiat temporarily and wait for the dust to settle. (there is a chance alts will go deep down after BTC fork as well as bitcoin.) and reload later.

5] hedge with some alts (diversification) - may be risky as well. Some altcoins may pump hard though

--- aditional possible options:
*short BTC - but it would be against my "no BTC shorting" rule #1 of trading
*spend some bitcoin for hardware and stuff, before it (possibly) drops.

atm I still think we may see another ATH before fork, as people will panic buy, so they can get free b2x forked coins. ( hedging against the the takeover/death of BTC)

[Last of the V8s]

"conferences about Bitcoin"
https://youtu.be/CHhcy_QQghU?t=13m15s

W T F   is that guys? Out of all the videos, only the first one was bearable (this one: https://youtu.be/hXRhIXp4idM), thanks to the pretty girls... How is it possible that people fall for this sh*t?

Damn!

people. are. stupid.

you can NEVER overestimate the levels of stupid that exist. never.

I can tell by the smug people in suits and the production values that they are going to fuck so many gullible people over.

[Rosewater Foundation]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

[Last of the V8s]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

hodl

[Searing]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

I myself never time this stuff correctly, I just HODL

I think there will be FUD and a 1/3 correction, like other waves in BTC's past, this due to the Segwit2x+2mb attempted fork...it will likely survive as an ALT.....muddy'ing the waters with 3 now flavors of BTC claiming they are "the one"

thus usual....pump it up....then pump up the FUD ..drive it down and buy at the bottom

So will let the present hoard ride..since 2013 onward, .and if I am (unfortunately correct about the above) buy when it dumps 1/3 in price, as it has in the past before the next "go around"

to yet another future All-Time High...

rinse/wash/repeat

(how the btc whales splash in the crypto ocean..pump/fud/buy)

[Poboy88]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

People getting all bearish. Makes me think there's one more spike upwards to squeeze all your shorts before the crash actually happens. Hopefully the fork isn't too messy. Who knows, there's still time for the btc1 people to add optional replay protection....

[LewisPirenne]

I bet that right after CME goes live with its BRR contact on Nov 14, someone will do a custom double one-touch right before Nov 16, just so that whales will profit whether it be 5K or 10K after the S2X freak show.

[realsteelboy]

Apologies for the crosspost infofront but I trust most of you guys in here and the majority of you seem to know what you're talking about.

Any idea on this?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367477.new#new

[Rosewater Foundation]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

People getting all bearish. Makes me think there's one more spike upwards to squeeze all your shorts before the crash actually happens. Hopefully the fork isn't too messy. Who knows, there's still time for the btc1 people to add optional replay protection....

I'm not thinking of selling, I'm thinking of where to park my coins during the fork. Trezor doesn't plan to be very helpful.

[krogothmanhattan]

HODLing all the way boys... Whatever the outcome!  SO will you HODL or FODL?

[eXpl0sive]

This thread has attracted more than 19 million views now (19,499,935 to be precise). Won't take much long to reach the magic number 21 million

[Searing]

HODLing all the way boys... Whatever the outcome!  SO will you HODL or FODL?

I'm kinda looking at a justification (hedge) on my ego on holding as per usual since 2013 in the following manner....

IF I was to sell some...capital gains would be high in my state with me at 47% tax rate etc already to IRS...

thus I say lose what 35% all said in done on my sale of more than 1 year and 1 day of held BTC

then

we are due, according to most reputable economists of either the liberal or conservative stripe...of a correction (ie recession)

a recession is 20% retraction or more

thus now my BTC moved to fiat lost another 20% in my view if we do have a recession..it will be more like 40% with the dysfunction of USA gov't at this time, imho

boy, would I feel silly

thus if I hodl and ONLY have a 30% (usual 1/3 pullback before the next leg) with BTC and this recession comes along as I expect in spring

well.....I can live with that

I also ALWAYS GUESS WRONG thus another reason to just HODL

anyway, my 'rationalization' on HODL

[Torque]

we are due, according to most reputable economists of either the liberal or conservative stripe...of a correction (ie recession)

a recession is 20% retraction or more

thus now my BTC moved to fiat lost another 20% in my view if we do have a recession..it will be more like 40% with the dysfunction of USA gov't at this time, imho

boy, would I feel silly

thus if I hodl and ONLY have a 30% (usual 1/3 pullback before the next leg) with BTC and this recession comes along as I expect in spring

I'm starting to wonder if we are even going to have a correction of any sort.

The Fed and the world CBs have engineered the most massively manipulated soft-landing that world history has ever seen. I think we already are in a recession since the beginning of 2017, and they are making sure there is no significant crash by keeping interest rates slammed to near 0, continuous money printing, buying up everything, and nationalizing certain mega corps.

They know that a crash or correction now, when the world economy is the most vulnerable, would be devastating and long felt.

What is starting to settle-in though, is rising inflation. So you want to HODL your Bitcoin to outrun that long term. Same with the FAANG stocks, as equities go they're a long term safe bet since the world banks are actively nationalizing them and will keep buying them forever. But know that the FAANG companies will continue their expansion of their worldwide spying game for their govt masters.

[600watt]

https://medium.com/@jimmysong/segwit2x-game-theory-scenarios-part-1-7f863904a72
Jimmy gives a balanced-ish view

My tl;dr - scammers Mike Belshe, Brian Armstrong and Barry Silbert are gonna need a bigger float.

There is no way that this round of attacks has enough dollars or secret, reserved hashpower behind it.

I'm not looking forward to this. Without a surefire plan to capitalize on these fork coins, short term seems doomish.

People getting all bearish. Makes me think there's one more spike upwards to squeeze all your shorts before the crash actually happens. Hopefully the fork isn't too messy. Who knows, there's still time for the btc1 people to add optional replay protection....

I'm not thinking of selling, I'm thinking of where to park my coins during the fork. Trezor doesn't plan to be very helpful.

trezor does it well:
https://blog.trezor.io/trezor-statement-segwit2x-2x-hard-fork-b2x-f245fe4f0fb

what exactly is "not helpful" here?

TREZOR device supports both BTC and B2X.

The TREZOR device supports both BTC and B2X. For both, new and legacy addresses will be supported.

However, as SegWit2X will not implement replay protection, there are certain steps you need to take before you can use both coins safely. We will prepare a guide for you to follow, should you wish to split your coins and use both coins.