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December 17, 2017, 10:48:28 PM

It’s not enough for bitcoin to succeed.

Eth and ltc must fail as well, and btc must feast upon their rotting carcasses.
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December 17, 2017, 10:49:02 PM

Then it is even worse than I projected. Fuck the governments.


Actually a house is not really yours. It belongs to the State. If you dont pay your taxes, they just take it and throw you out, like in a rent.

What you pay when you think you are buying a house, is a permission from the State to reside there.

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December 17, 2017, 10:49:05 PM

Gee, you nouveau riche are worse than the old money. No wonder the aristocracy always looked down upon you.

Shoo shoo. Away with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vXurSgwgWU
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December 17, 2017, 10:49:35 PM

It’s not enough for bitcoin to succeed.

Eth and ltc must fail as well.

Bollocks.  Theres plenty of room at the table for all.  
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December 17, 2017, 10:49:58 PM

It’s not enough for bitcoin to succeed.

Eth and ltc must fail as well, and btc must feast upon their rotting carcasses.

"EUR and JPY must fail for USD to succeed."

Perhaps you should think this over.
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December 17, 2017, 10:50:34 PM


Actually a house is not really yours. It belongs to the State. If you dont pay your taxes, they just take it and throw you out, like in a rent.

What you pay when you think you are buying a house, is a permission from the State to reside there.



Head to Nevada, baby. Certain bits have allodial title.
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December 17, 2017, 10:57:10 PM

Head to Nevada, baby. Certain bits have allodial title.

non transferable except for heirs

I try talking to normals about this shit and they look at me like I have mushrooms growing out of my head.
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December 17, 2017, 11:01:27 PM


Actually a house is not really yours. It belongs to the State. If you dont pay your taxes, they just take it and throw you out, like in a rent.

What you pay when you think you are buying a house, is a permission from the State to reside there.



Head to Nevada, baby. Certain bits have allodial title.

This is very interesting... Never heard about it before. It is like this in many countries or is it just a USA thing?
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December 17, 2017, 11:03:26 PM

This is very interesting... Never heard about it before. It is like this in many countries or is it just a USA thing?

It's super, super rare. Just in small patches with legal quirks. I think some Indian reservations in the US have it too. Also some Aboriginal land in Australia. Other than that there's no way governments would permit it.
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December 17, 2017, 11:11:19 PM

CME is live:

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/equity-index/us-index/bitcoin.html
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December 17, 2017, 11:14:26 PM


I have not sensed a party in my pants. When can I expect it to begin?
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December 17, 2017, 11:15:16 PM

Jan 2018: $20310.  

Seems reasonable enough
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December 17, 2017, 11:15:24 PM


Meh. Not sure what the fuss is about these future markets. It only seems to be people gambling for or against the bitcoin price in the future with fiat and settling with fiat. No BTC is ever acquired or sold at all.
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December 17, 2017, 11:15:44 PM

it seems they are opening long position

which is bullish ??
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December 17, 2017, 11:16:49 PM

This on the other hand finally looks like it could be the beginning of a crash

And someone was right about BCH not rallying
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December 17, 2017, 11:19:53 PM

Big dump
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December 17, 2017, 11:21:00 PM

A potential flaw in Lightning is the cost to open and close a channel. The fees are high enough that the average user might find it difficult to get onto payment channels. ALso the motivation to do so by the time they roll it out might not be there.
Indeed, that is the crux with lightning: the cost to open/close a channel. Or equivalently, the blockchain space.
However, channels can be kept open indefinitely. No need to close them if you don't have to cash out and just re-use those new incoming btc for new expenses. The way things are now, re-funding a channel also involves a blockchain transaction.

However, and it's a big however IMO, this kind of issues is already being addressed. I am aware of at least one possible solution that allows multiple channels to be opened together, with one single transactions (and closed too? I'm not sure about that, gotta find the source again). Of course the opening wouldn't be immediate, as the system must find the required number of participants to share the blockchain fee. It's a  mechanism akin to coinjoin, with extra crypto to secure the joining/unjoining steps.

The bottom line is: once L2 really starts working and gets acceptance, there are several technical tricks that can be played to squeeze utility out of it, significantly limiting recourse to L1 (the base blockchain). Ideally, such L1 transactions would only be used in special cases, when really necessary.

Enduring transaction costs such as the current ones hurts. It hurts me too, to the point that I chose traditional banking over bitcoin for some of my smaller recent transactions. However, after some research, I am an informed optimist.
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December 17, 2017, 11:22:16 PM

Gentlemen I sense an ath in the air...

About as common as one of my guffs these days.

guff... lol...now that's a term I haven't heard in awhile.
mine are quite common the morning after a good indian vindy, much to my wifes displeasure I might add...
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December 17, 2017, 11:22:38 PM

Smoothie, how come you are so fast to answer everywhere? I am starting to wonder if you have hired people or scripted bots to make your replies. You tend to write a new answer faster than I read the new posts in the interesting threads. Respect. Tongue
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December 17, 2017, 11:25:01 PM


Meh. Not sure what the fuss is about these future markets. It only seems to be people gambling for or against the bitcoin price in the future with fiat and settling with fiat. No BTC is ever acquired or sold at all.
Because the settlement price is based on the BTC prices on exchanges, this allows arbitrage, so they are somewhat communicating vessels.

I really hate 10 min delayed data though.  That's what I like about regular bitcoin trading, most of the data is open to everybody.
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