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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

It'd take at least another doubling for me to start thinking about quitting my day job. And stranger things have happened.

Wanna get there faster? Other investors will HATE you - http://yetanotherico.com/TokenAntelope.ai/First-solidty-powered-crypto-currency-for-furure-travelling-opportunities

It even has the typos... what attention to detail, wow.

Locking myself out makes me more paranoid than hackers to be honest.

Locking myself out used to be a concern of mine too. So I would never do the 2FA. What turned me off to 2FA was way back in the Paycoin scam. I was using Authy and somehow, GAW let something expire so I couldn't get the Authy to work to access their page to collect my meager 5 XPY. I eventually did figure out how to get it to work with Google Authenticator. After that, I never bothered. However, this year, as my meager holdings gained more value, I began to start using the 2FA again. My holdings may not be worth much, but it would be rather difficult to shrug off a theft of them. Even .005 BTC would smart.

I'm using Google's 2FA, but the amount of passwords and accounts that I use is getting out of hand as well. Damn limits.

[nikauforest]

As soon as the alts start to ease the tide will swing back to Bitcoin. But it will be a flood.

Same as it ever was.

Let's hope that tide swings back soon.

Bitcoin Dominance compared to all cryptos is in a bear market. There is a firm downtrend line.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Thats also my plan.

All this has a bittersweet taste for me;  because I got into bitcoin just 1 week before i registered here..
more than 6 years since that time when i got my first coins,and  almost everything got wrong..    

but im still kicking and hoping for better times  

Ouch, I think some people here, like Arklan, also started in 2011 and supposedly end up with barely anything.  But like Rosewater said, if Andreas Antonopoulos can end up with almost no bitcoin and only recently become debt free, then any bitcoiners can end up making wrong calls that eventually see most of their paper wealth to evaporate (and that includes even the current semi-billionaire such as Roger Ver).

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

[Rosewater Foundation]

It'd take at least another doubling for me to start thinking about quitting my day job. And stranger things have happened.

Wanna get there faster? Other investors will HATE you - http://yetanotherico.com/TokenAntelope.ai/First-solidty-powered-crypto-currency-for-furure-travelling-opportunities

Time travel in crypto-affluence.

[arklan]

Thats also my plan.

All this has a bittersweet taste for me;  because I got into bitcoin just 1 week before i registered here..
more than 6 years since that time when i got my first coins,and  almost everything got wrong..    

but im still kicking and hoping for better times  

Ouch, I think some people here, like Arklan, also started in 2011 and supposedly end up with barely anything.  But like Rosewater said, if Andreas Antonopoulos can end up with almost no bitcoin and only recently become debt free, then any bitcoiners can end up making wrong calls that eventually see most of their paper wealth to evaporate (and that includes even the current semi-billionaire such as Roger Ver).

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

in my case, longterm under/unemployment and selling my btc before the 2013 spike... and lots of dumb choices.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Thats also my plan.

All this has a bittersweet taste for me;  because I got into bitcoin just 1 week before i registered here..
more than 6 years since that time when i got my first coins,and  almost everything got wrong..    

but im still kicking and hoping for better times  

Ouch, I think some people here, like Arklan, also started in 2011 and supposedly end up with barely anything.  But like Rosewater said, if Andreas Antonopoulos can end up with almost no bitcoin and only recently become debt free, then any bitcoiners can end up making wrong calls that eventually see most of their paper wealth to evaporate (and that includes even the current semi-billionaire such as Roger Ver).

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

in my case, longterm under/unemployment and selling my btc before the 2013 spike... and lots of dumb choices.

Ah I see, tough luck. Hope things are better now at least.

[afbitcoins]

As soon as the alts start to ease the tide will swing back to Bitcoin. But it will be a flood.

Same as it ever was.

Let's hope that tide swings back soon.

Bitcoin Dominance compared to all cryptos is in a bear market. There is a firm downtrend line.

Image?

Thats also my plan.

All this has a bittersweet taste for me;  because I got into bitcoin just 1 week before i registered here..
more than 6 years since that time when i got my first coins,and  almost everything got wrong..    

but im still kicking and hoping for better times  

Ouch, I think some people here, like Arklan, also started in 2011 and supposedly end up with barely anything.  But like Rosewater said, if Andreas Antonopoulos can end up with almost no bitcoin and only recently become debt free, then any bitcoiners can end up making wrong calls that eventually see most of their paper wealth to evaporate (and that includes even the current semi-billionaire such as Roger Ver).

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

in my case, longterm under/unemployment and selling my btc before the 2013 spike... and lots of dumb choices.

[LewisPirenne]

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

There are tons of ways to lose BTC over time, scams like Trendon Shavers, Friedcat, Butterfly Labs; getting Zhou Tonged, Goxxed or Bitfinexed; more often than not, lost it in some ALT pump-and-dump or daytrading.  But quite often, simply because people can't afford to hodl and had to sell to paid expenses/debt or emergencies.  So it is actually quite difficult not to make wrong calls along the way that sees one's own BTC holding reduced substantially.  Fortunately, due to exponential rise in fiat terms, people normally end up with more, in fiat terms, than years ago.  But that still leaves a bitter taste for some as they know that they would have substantially more BTC had this and that not happened along the way.  

[TERA2]

I'm 2014 I was fired and lost 80% of my stash supporting  myself for 18 months with no lifestyle changes. I later made it back trading alts

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

These stories make me feel glad that my laziness and frugal lifestyle make unemployment completely irrelevant. I do splurge every now and then, but I'm mostly content with just the internet for entertainment. Once I can just buy at least a squarekilometre of land and set up an OTG mansion on it with some live-in cooks/maids without even caring about that kind of sum I'll probably do it though. In the meantime living small and traveling/eating big is good enough.

[JayJuanGee]

If the "one digit per year" rate of increase in Bitcoin's price continues, then someone who now has XX BTC, in December 2018 his/her coins will have the current value of XXX BTC.

Many of us will achieve "wealthy" status!
Some will progress from "wealthy" to "rich" status!

Can you handle it?  

Yes. So far my crypto trillions have yielded a second hand hat. If I add another few zeroes I'm going brand spanking new.

LOL, same here... I'm far from "wealthy", not to mention "rich"... But we're talking about a geometric progression here, so there's still hope!

I like this idea of progression.  So perhaps, each of us are starting at a different place on the spectrum, and perhaps bitcoin can assist us to move up on the spectrum, depending upon how much we have been able to accumulate and how good we are at HODL.


So maybe I will put these in a slightly different order than you, AlcoHoDL.....


So here it is, perhaps 12 levels could accommodate most of us and show some progression in our financial well-being (especially if we did the right thing in regards to buying, accumulating and hodling bitcoin):

First we start at:

1) supported by the parents

2) living paycheck to paycheck,

3) having a bit of a reserve and using that reserve to invest in bitcoin

4) getting by with a cushion

5) comfortable

6) sassy and splurging a bit

7) well off

8.) moderately rich

9) rich

10) wealthy

11) this is gentlemen

12) filthy rich

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I like this idea of progression.  So perhaps, each of us are starting at a different place on the spectrum, and perhaps bitcoin can assist us to move up on the spectrum, depending upon how much we have been able to accumulate and how good we are at HODL.


So maybe I will put these in a slightly different order than you, AlcoHoDL.....


So here it is, perhaps 12 levels could accommodate most of us and show some progression in our financial well-being (especially if we did the right thing in regards to buying, accumulating and hodling bitcoin):

First we start at:

1) supported by the parents

2) living paycheck to paycheck,

3) having a bit of a reserve and using that reserve to invest in bitcoin

4) getting by with a cushion

5) comfortable

6) sassy and splurging a bit

7) well off

8) moderately rich

9) rich

10) wealthy

11) this is gentlemen

12) filthy rich

Can we quantify these levels? ;)

There's a "Don't use smileys." additional option(s...) by the way.

[nikauforest]

As soon as the alts start to ease the tide will swing back to Bitcoin. But it will be a flood.

Same as it ever was.

Let's hope that tide swings back soon.

Bitcoin Dominance compared to all cryptos is in a bear market. There is a firm downtrend line.

Image?


Chart for Bitcoin Dominance. Scroll Down to the bottom of the page. Shows the down trend. I am not saying that alts have performed better. ( They have NOT!) What I am saying is that over time Bitcoin will become less important overall relative to all the improvements this tech will bring humanity.
https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/

[JayJuanGee]

As soon as the alts start to ease the tide will swing back to Bitcoin. But it will be a flood.

Same as it ever was.

Let's hope that tide swings back soon.

Bitcoin Dominance compared to all cryptos is in a bear market. There is a firm downtrend line.

Sounds like some real wishful thinking going on here.

 

[JayJuanGee]

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

There are tons of ways to lose BTC over time, scams like Trendon Shavers, Friedcat, Butterfly Labs; getting Zhou Tonged, Goxxed or Bitfinexed; more often than not, lost it in some ALT pump-and-dump or daytrading.  But quite often, simply because people can't afford to hodl and had to sell to paid expenses/debt or emergencies.  So it is actually quite difficult not to make wrong calls along the way that sees one's own BTC holding reduced substantially.  Fortunately, due to exponential rise in fiat terms, people normally end up with more, in fiat terms, than years ago.  But that still leaves a bitter taste for some as they know that they would have substantially more BTC had this and that not happened along the way.  

Yep, there are a variety of scenarios that could cause bitterness, and let's say if you were in BTC for 3-4 years and you end up buying around 100 BTC and it cost you around $600 per BTC (average) (which would have been about a $60k investment), but then you make some pretty severe mistakes including some of the ones that you mentioned and even hackings or something, and you end up losing 80% of your built up stash.

At today's BTC prices you still have 20BTC x $19,000 = $380,000, and you are 6x in the profits, but you might still feel a bit bitter about the whole ordeal.

Overall, any of us can assess our current situation and continue to make plans that involve continuing to dollar cost average buy into bitcoin, unless we happen to be at the liquidation stage of our life - which, depending on health, might be someone in his/her 60s or 70s?.. and then in those circumstances, we might project how long we think that we have to live, and then schedule a draw down schedule based on such a projected timeline.. and sure the bigger of the two tragedies would be to draw to much and run out of money early rather than to have a considerable amount remaining upon death.

[nikauforest]

I like to think of Bitcoin as the AOL of Blockchain tech. Wow, AOL was awesome in the 1990's when everyone logged in with a modem.(AOL was also a darling of the market for some time. )  I am just saying Bitcoin is not a religion for me. Bitcoin prices will continue higher and blow most peoples minds. As an investor I try to keep an open mind. As hard as AOL tried to maintain dominance it eventually became less relevant.

Don't get me wrong I am a HODLer 'for now'.

[savetherainforest]

bch pumpin, is it a bad sign ?

For people buying BCH, yes. This is a very VERY bad sign.

Well... as long as someone can trade and make money from BeeCash, everything will be normal and profitable. So probably it will be just another alt coin like the rest of them. Anything that is tradable will exist 4ever.

Plus, it will do what the other alt coins do, it will help boost the real bitcoin price in the long term.

[BitChick]

How do you wipe out your paper money? Did he not keep enough to maintain his lifestyle stashed away in secure assets and went on a reckless spending spree?

There are tons of ways to lose BTC over time, scams like Trendon Shavers, Friedcat, Butterfly Labs; getting Zhou Tonged, Goxxed or Bitfinexed; more often than not, lost it in some ALT pump-and-dump or daytrading.  But quite often, simply because people can't afford to hodl and had to sell to paid expenses/debt or emergencies.  So it is actually quite difficult not to make wrong calls along the way that sees one's own BTC holding reduced substantially.  Fortunately, due to exponential rise in fiat terms, people normally end up with more, in fiat terms, than years ago.  But that still leaves a bitter taste for some as they know that they would have substantially more BTC had this and that not happened along the way.  

Yep, there are a variety of scenarios that could cause bitterness, and let's say if you were in BTC for 3-4 years and you end up buying around 100 BTC and it cost you around $600 per BTC (average) (which would have been about a $60k investment), but then you make some pretty severe mistakes including some of the ones that you mentioned and even hackings or something, and you end up losing 80% of your built up stash.

At today's BTC prices you still have 20BTC x $19,000 = $380,000, and you are 6x in the profits, but you might still feel a bit bitter about the whole ordeal.

Overall, any of us can assess our current situation and continue to make plans that involve continuing to dollar cost average buy into bitcoin, unless we happen to be at the liquidation stage of our life - which, depending on health, might be someone in his/her 60s or 70s?.. and then in those circumstances, we might project how long we think that we have to live, and then schedule a draw down schedule based on such a projected timeline.. and sure the bigger of the two tragedies would be to draw to much and run out of money early rather than to have a considerable amount remaining upon death.

I think all of us who have been involved with BTC for a long period of time have some sort of regrets.  We could certainly lose some sleep over the "Would have, should have, and could have" thoughts that race through our minds.  Hey, even after hodling for several years and avoiding having our coins lost on Gox (got them off just a few weeks earlier) my husband and I still had some coins swiped a few weeks ago just trying to move them onto Coinbase to sell using Bitcoin QT.  We double and triple checked the address we were sending them to as well (never had a single problem) but the address was totally changed behind the scenes somehow.  We decided to do everything we could to protect what coins we have remaining.  We purchased an entirely new computer and didn't even connect it to our network and used our backup disk to load the coins onto it and bought a Trezor.  I guess there is a feature on the Trezor where we can check the address being sent to on the Trezor itself for security.  That is necessary we now can see.  We had several people ask why we didn't send a very small amount of coin first.  Well, since we never had any problems and this computer that my husband uses is checked repeatedly for viruses and I don't even allow myself on it (I don't trust myself to go to sites that might access a virus of some sort) we just trusted it was fine as it always had been.  But the hacks are becoming more sophisticated.

[JayJuanGee]

I like this idea of progression.  So perhaps, each of us are starting at a different place on the spectrum, and perhaps bitcoin can assist us to move up on the spectrum, depending upon how much we have been able to accumulate and how good we are at HODL.


So maybe I will put these in a slightly different order than you, AlcoHoDL.....


So here it is, perhaps 12 levels could accommodate most of us and show some progression in our financial well-being (especially if we did the right thing in regards to buying, accumulating and hodling bitcoin):

First we start at:

1) supported by the parents

2) living paycheck to paycheck,

3) having a bit of a reserve and using that reserve to invest in bitcoin

4) getting by with a cushion

5) comfortable

6) sassy and splurging a bit

7) well off

moderately rich

9) rich

10) wealthy

11) this is gentlemen

12) filthy rich

Can we quantify these levels?

There's a "Don't use smileys." additional option(s...) by the way.

Sure the quantities would be different for each person, and could even lead us into prolonged arguments.  It would not hurt for anyone to punch-in their numbers for these categories - or even add or subtract categories that might help to illustrate differing perceptions.

On a personal level, I have been pretty frugal my whole life, in terms of attempting to "live within my means," so as I have passed through the categories, and more rapidly in recent times, almost any category has been comfortable for me, and probably before I was in bitcoin, I perceive that I was mostly in between 6 and 7, and perhaps now, after about 4 years of bitcoin (and more than one year of beyond expectation BTC performance) I would consider myself between 9 and 10, and I would have likely remained content in the 6-7 territory for the rest of my life - that is if I would have been able to remain in that category absent bitcoin and absent knowing exactly what life calamities could have befallen me or any person at any time.

[Rosewater Foundation]

my husband and I still had some coins swiped a few weeks ago just trying to move them onto Coinbase to sell using Bitcoin QT.  We double and triple checked the address we were sending them to as well (never had a single problem) but the address was totally changed behind the scenes somehow.  We decided to do everything we could to protect what coins we have remaining.

Wow. Cautionary tale.