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January 20, 2019, 02:48:16 AM |
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... the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
unrelated to the content of the quote... Murad Mahmudov (second person quoted) is that 20-something guy who is full of pseudo-scientific explanations as to why btc has to go to $1700 first (then to 10mil), which on balance is mightily annoying. I guess he wants btc to get low before his fund buy-in. I don't blame him. IMHO, not enough time (in relation to halving) for that if cycle is about to increase in duration (as he claims). you know that's partly why I left it ambiguous who I was calling what. i don't even really think any of the people there are 'the worst', but they are certainly full of crap
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January 20, 2019, 02:52:44 AM |
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... the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
unrelated to the content of the quote... Murad Mahmudov (second person quoted) is that 20-something guy who is full of pseudo-scientific explanations as to why btc has to go to $1700 first (then to 10mil), which on balance is mightily annoying. I guess he wants btc to get low before his fund buy-in. I don't blame him. IMHO, not enough time (in relation to halving) for that if cycle is about to increase in duration (as he claims). you know that's partly why I left it ambiguous who I was calling what. i don't even really think any of the people there are 'the worst', but they are certainly full of crap indeed
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January 20, 2019, 03:12:45 AM |
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No it's just one of the problems of your democracy. Neither a left nor a right thing, but a lack of anything better thing.
Better things: 1. Properly funded education system 2. Properly funded NHS But that requires the ability to see past the end of your nose. There is no money for that. Pay for your own shit. Typical conservative beggar thy neighbor approach. Don't let corporates get away with paying less than 1% tax and suddenly there is enough funding for everything. Why the fuck does a UK power station need to be owned by a company in the Caymans that itself is owned by a company in Turkey that is owned by a Dutch limited partnership? Cut that bullshit and you would be amazed how much revenue is available to the government. http://www.usdebtclock.org/There literally is no money for it. It's not a matter of politics or opinions or feelings. There is no money. But there is $5 billion for a wall? Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept? It's also almost nothing compared to the other stuff you want.
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January 20, 2019, 03:18:50 AM |
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Possible bart/de-bart scenario spotted. #dyor 3h ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2XaXJur.jpg&t=665&c=v_zjhUqfu4anuA)
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January 20, 2019, 03:52:04 AM |
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Don't let corporates get away with paying less than 1% tax and suddenly there is enough funding for everything.
Life was indeed simpler before I realized that corporations can not be made to pay any taxes whatsoever. No corporation has ever paid ANY tax in history.
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January 20, 2019, 04:12:00 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it.
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January 20, 2019, 04:18:17 AM |
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Don't let corporates get away with paying less than 1% tax and suddenly there is enough funding for everything.
Life was indeed simpler before I realized that corporations can not be made to pay any taxes whatsoever. No corporation has ever paid ANY tax in history. I personally paid more income tax last year than Ikea paid corporate tax in my country, despite them having operated here for a long time. One person. I earn a good living but I really don't earn *that* much. And they have billions of revenue here. You wonder why there's no money in the government treasury - that's your answer.
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January 20, 2019, 04:29:22 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it. Again, it's almost nothing compared to the other stuff. And I know you know this. You are being deliberately obtuse.
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January 20, 2019, 04:31:50 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it. Again, it's almost nothing compared to the other stuff. And I know you know this. You are being deliberately obtuse. On the other hand, you don't seem so deliberate this time.
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January 20, 2019, 04:34:03 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it. Again, it's almost nothing compared to the other stuff. And I know you know this. You are being deliberately obtuse. We haven’t started talking about the $2.5 trillion in tax cuts.
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January 20, 2019, 04:44:27 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it. Again, it's almost nothing compared to the other stuff. And I know you know this. You are being deliberately obtuse. We haven’t started talking about the $2.5 trillion in tax cuts. So talk about it.
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January 20, 2019, 04:44:58 AM |
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Yes. It's called an investment. You may have heard of the concept?
Walls are investments. But education and health are not investments. Got it. Again, it's almost nothing compared to the other stuff. And I know you know this. You are being deliberately obtuse. On the other hand, you don't seem so deliberate this time. If you have any arguments then let's hear it.
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January 20, 2019, 04:52:14 AM |
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Don't let corporates get away with paying less than 1% tax and suddenly there is enough funding for everything.
Life was indeed simpler before I realized that corporations can not be made to pay any taxes whatsoever. No corporation has ever paid ANY tax in history. I personally paid more income tax last year than Ikea paid corporate tax in my country, despite them having operated here for a long time. One person. I earn a good living but I really don't earn *that* much. And they have billions of revenue here. You wonder why there's no money in the government treasury - that's your answer. a bit of a double standard here.. what about US based corps,Google/Apple/MS etc... operating in other countries and not paying their fair share of company tax there? Also at the end of the day, it is the individual shareholder who will cop the tax via personal tax returns. much easier/more for gov to tax and collect from the people than the corps...
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January 20, 2019, 04:53:49 AM |
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Also at the end of the day, it is the individual shareholder who will cop the tax via personal tax returns. much easier/more for gov to tax and collect from the people than the corps...
Not when the company execs have private jets and Aspen lodges bought by the company. That’s tax free. Fly into Telluride sometime and count the private jets on the pan. They are almost all corporate owned.
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January 20, 2019, 05:02:08 AM |
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Also at the end of the day, it is the individual shareholder who will cop the tax via personal tax returns. much easier/more for gov to tax and collect from the people than the corps...
Not when the company execs have private jets and Aspen lodges bought by the company. That’s tax free. Not sure about the US tax system, but in Australia, that is covered under fringe benefits tax.. Again, i don't see a problem with corps owning such assets, the cost to maintain and run will flow down to other parties and the profits generated will be taxed.
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January 20, 2019, 05:06:55 AM |
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FBT is great in theory. Hold a half hour company meeting at Telluride. Trip is deductible.
The Australian tax authority is almost as badly funded as the IRS, so can’t run audits effectively. Of course the underfunding is deliberate.
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January 20, 2019, 05:25:36 AM |
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FBT is great in theory. Hold a half hour company meeting at Telluride. Trip is deductible.
The Australian tax authority is almost as badly funded as the IRS, so can’t run audits effectively. Of course the underfunding is deliberate.
In theory, alot of things are great, in practice it is something else, that is with everything not just taxation. Gov knows they are never going to collect 100% of what it is owed to them... self assessment is just that, you telling the government what you want to pay them! Gov hoping you are telling the truth. also, any company who holds a 30mins meeting is not an ikea/google/facebook..
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January 20, 2019, 05:30:14 AM |
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For a potential future societal structure I suggest to read or re-read "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson (first published in 1992).
Cliffnotes? Deadpool delivers pizza. I don't think we can seriously believe anything was "predicted" given that it was published in 1992. You can listen to it while you're working on other things... that way it wont be an entire waste of your time ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) edit: forgot the link! Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZiG4FsYAg (and only 8 hours... suggest you boost the speed to 1.5X) That's some pretty hardcore pizza delivering. Love how he uses nippon instead of japan. It's the little touches.
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January 20, 2019, 08:58:55 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FJxsPCms.jpg&t=665&c=W-G-t2cp2hKDJQ) "Vires in Numeris" (Strength in Numbers) Authentic Bitcoiner > Martin D. Weiss of Weiss Ratings. Bitcoin’s Improving Fundamentals Indicate a New Bull Market is in the Making."Like gold, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies could become a haven for investors who flee from fiat currency devaluations. In fact, in one key aspect, it may be even better than gold: It cannot be confiscated by any government."
Source: https://coingape.com/bitcoins-improving-fundamentals-bull-market-weiss-ratings/
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