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June 03, 2019, 06:17:51 PM

Afaik transaction malleability breaks LN.  So Segwit is necessary for LN as it fixes transaction malleability.  Also BIP 114 for MAST requires Segwit.

I think that the malleability bug is separate from the segwit. I think segwit required the fix in order to work. So segwit in on itself is not required for LN.
This is an important difference if true. Can anyone confirm/deny?

Segwit was one of multiple potential transaction malleability fixes, but it was often billed as the fix. Take a look at Bcash. They fixed transaction malleability without segwit.

It's basically the same thing with LN. Segwit made bitcoin capable of handling LN, but there were other ways to implement lightning without segwit.


you don't want those coffee purchases clogging up the main chain.
Yes I do. I specifically want coffee purchases clogging up the main chain, in fact. And anything else people care to use it on.

That is the entire point of bitcoin. Anyone can send any amount to anywhere at any time without needing the permission of middlemen such as yourself.

Bitcoin was not meant to be a transactional currency. It was meant to be a store of value. Read: https://twitter.com/danheld/status/1084848063947071488

Any other use case, such as buying coffee, is outside the scope of Bitcoin's core use case. That's basically why we'll need 2nd layer solutions (or altcoins) for buying coffee.

U ll soon learn that malleability is a feature, never was a bug.

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Hat gallery update, great job xhomerx10

I don't see mine (maybe I missed it).
Could you add it when you get the chance please ?



And yes, definitely great job xhomerx10 !



Oops, I'm sorry Kenzawak.

You are already in the gallery.
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June 03, 2019, 06:40:55 PM

Think I am just going to wait it out. I think we should see a downward move before the next major move higher. Since everyone and their cousins are thinking the same...maybe we just go higher..

hard to say and I have no clarity..sorry.

you probably should dyor anyway.

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June 03, 2019, 06:47:55 PM

Oh, look.
at last Elwar and Nadia hit the mainstream italian press:

https://www.corriere.it/economia/consumi/19_giugno_02/sfida-furbetta-seasteaders-prendere-residenza-mare-non-pagare-tasse-ca8024b4-850c-11e9-a4c5-122bac19b17d.shtml
(think you can google translate it)


Sadly, the ignorant italian journalist ignores herself we had in Italy one of the first Seadsters experiment in the 60's:


^^Rose Island 1968 circa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island
https://www.visit-rimini.com/when-italy-went-to-war-with-the-esperanto-micro-nation-insulo-de-la-rozoj/




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For a short period the Island was a tourist attraction, with visitors flocking from the Riviera to sample a local taste of the spirit of ’68. It wasn’t to last long, though. On the 25th of June 1968, 55 days after its declaration of independence, the micronation of Rose Island was seized by Italian authorities in what Rosa bitterly declared ‘the only war that Italy has ever won’.


Haha, reminds me of the joke what was the only war the French ever won?

The French Revolution.


I googled. Still says the couple is on the run. Are they still on the run? Or have they been arrested yet? Hope they got out of Thailand and all is ok.

I don't think you have to run far to get out of a Thailand extradition zone but I'm just taking a guess on that one.


Oh Hey. That's what I was looking to buy for my next major toy. Maybe after we buy a ranch.

Not sure what I think of the Porsche Mission E. I'm torn.

2023 if I play my cards right...

HODL.

You do have good taste my friend. Smiley

I googled. Still says the couple is on the run. Are they still on the run? Or have they been arrested yet? Hope they got out of Thailand and all is ok.

As far as I know they are still on the run.
What pisses me off is instead is the cheap reporting on the story: they focused only on the fact they wanted to avoid taxation, notingh else, no context, no reasoning.


Bias reporting has always been a tool of TPTB.
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June 03, 2019, 07:19:39 PM
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sth to read
https://medium.com/portal-finance/the-21-levers-moving-bitcoin-price-part-i-329bfa97c9dd
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https://twitter.com/intangiblecoins/status/1133460621175984134 a++ thread
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I hunted through http://USspending.gov  to learn how much the US federal government spends on blockchain analytics. I looked at contracts and POs awarded to @chainalysis @ciphertrace @elliptic and @BlockCypher thru 2018.


meanwhile

Fun fact: because the CoinJoin bounty payout transaction to JoinMarket and Wasabi wallet was itself a coinjoin transaction with specially chosen inputs, the wallet clustering site walletexplorer.com now thinks that the coinjoin bounty address belongs to the largest wallet cluster (which used to be called MtGoxAndOthers and is now called CoinJoinMess)

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/CoinJoinMess?from_address=3M8XGFBKwkf7miBzpkU3x2DoWwAVrD1mhk

The cluster contains nearly 9 million transactions and over 3.5 million addresses, including of course the CoinJoin bounty multisig address itself. Another demonstration of the fragility of blockchain analysis.
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1 $Btc = $8500
1 $Xrp = $0.45

All you have to do is hold 1 XRP and you could get 20,000x your investment.

Do the math.


https://twitter.com/CryptoMessiah/status/1135598569921159168


LOL we got a math teacher with wheals brain 🤣

Seriously, blinds are leading the blind.
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June 03, 2019, 07:45:41 PM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.msg51104007#msg51104007

Mmmm forked HAT? Same design.... Roll Eyes
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June 03, 2019, 07:49:42 PM

I don't see which one but I think it's plagiarism 🤪
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I don't see which one but I think it's plagiarism 🤪

rooshians  Roll Eyes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113854.msg51199990#msg51199990
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Justin, my price if you want lunch with me is $4.7million.
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June 03, 2019, 08:10:43 PM

Ahh! Avatar plagiarism LOL

Now we need to find out who had this avatar first. Give this assignment to some of the Reputation guys, they will find a connection 🤣
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https://twitter.com/intangiblecoins/status/1133460621175984134 a++ thread
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I hunted through http://USspending.gov  to learn how much the US federal government spends on blockchain analytics. I looked at contracts and POs awarded to @chainalysis @ciphertrace @elliptic and @BlockCypher thru 2018.


meanwhile

Fun fact: because the CoinJoin bounty payout transaction to JoinMarket and Wasabi wallet was itself a coinjoin transaction with specially chosen inputs, the wallet clustering site walletexplorer.com now thinks that the coinjoin bounty address belongs to the largest wallet cluster (which used to be called MtGoxAndOthers and is now called CoinJoinMess)

https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/CoinJoinMess?from_address=3M8XGFBKwkf7miBzpkU3x2DoWwAVrD1mhk

The cluster contains nearly 9 million transactions and over 3.5 million addresses, including of course the CoinJoin bounty multisig address itself. Another demonstration of the fragility of blockchain analysis.




something here must be smeritable..  you know I hate giving them to you..   I much prefer you all strung out..   Kiss

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June 03, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
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About the 100k party, I really would like for it to happen, but we need to plan it in time, the reason because nobody was able to organize a proper party at 1k or 10k was the price going faster than anyone's planning ability, and this time will be no exception.

I think that a strict opsec would not be so necessary in any EU country (well maybe excluding east europe and UK, for different reasons). Also I was not imagining a bilderberg meeting but something more like a real party, with at least an hundred people (40 people means 20+ friend/gf) and a "normal" security service.

About the price even 0.01 btc/ticket (1k usd) would mean an hell of  a party,  maybe even 2/3k could be ok too, but 10k would be only a waste of coins. Not to mention I will not be retired even at 100k because reasons, and I think I'm not the only one.

Who is in party organizing? I could have some friends but they are nocoiners, and they would be very skeptical about organizing an epic event they think will never happen (even with coins in escrow ready to be sold).

My real concern is not that bitcoin will never reach 100k, but that nobody will be able to organize a proper party before that!

Btc will reach 100k, by the time everyone arrives to the party the price would more than likely have dropped to 50-70k.
We need an arbitrary timeline and 100k to be the resistance level before we could plan such an event.
I’m looking forward to meeting trollgoosens.
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June 03, 2019, 08:28:10 PM

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Why for? If you think me a troll, why wanna meet? Strange point of view....

Then again I wanna see the face and everything of r0ach as well, thinking does he has a Tiny moustashe, silver teeth, eyelap, uniform.....
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Why for? If you think me a troll, why wanna meet? Strange point of view....

Then again I wanna see the face and everything of r0ach as well, thinking does he has a Tiny moustashe, silver teeth, eyelap, uniform.....

I don’t think you’re a troll, for some reason the name itself is funny. I enjoy your twitter links.
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Ahh! Avatar plagiarism LOL

Now we need to find out who had this avatar first. Give this assignment to some of the Reputation guys, they will find a connection 🤣

Still they don’t look bad still not XhomerX way of original thinking and perfection.... Then he Made me a HAT first makes me honoured Roll Eyes

Still good he wanna help out XhomerX work in other section Cheesy same community still... Smiley
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Why for? If you think me a troll, why wanna meet? Strange point of view....

Then again I wanna see the face and everything of r0ach as well, thinking does he has a Tiny moustashe, silver teeth, eyelap, uniform.....

...and one testicle like the original.
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Why for? If you think me a troll, why wanna meet? Strange point of view....

Then again I wanna see the face and everything of r0ach as well, thinking does he has a Tiny moustashe, silver teeth, eyelap, uniform.....

I don’t think you’re a troll, for some reason the name itself is funny. I enjoy your twitter links.

THX, I don’t mind r0ach calling me that way as well, can feel the humor in it Smiley
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