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[mindrust]

Are we mixing up the words 'prophylactic' and 'suppository'?
I mean, it's fine, just tying to keep up.

The treatment scheme which I got says specifically "prophylactic".

It is once or twice a week for that purpose.

For those who have visible symptoms, the dose is higher. Like twice a day.

Maybe it is like what bitserve said, the workers already have the bug so they are using it to prevent the bug from reaching their lungs.

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[Hueristic]

Are we mixing up the words 'prophylactic' and 'suppository'?
I mean, it's fine, just tying to keep up.

Funny thought I saw that on a prep h box somewhere but can't find the image.

anyho...

Dow has worst quarterly performance since 1987

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-march-31-2020-221319837.html

[bitbollo]

Yes, it is my honest opinion based on available data.

DATA? But have you read the paper (actually only 1 preprint) published about this treatment?
No guys this is pretty incredible

I guess you are also giving your honest opinion

LOL I AM PHARMACIST WORKING ON THIS FIELD! You are not able to see the difference?!?  
If your car have a problem you ask information to ... SHOEMAKER?!?
You talk ABOUT DATA and there is only 1 work published WITHOUT ANY DATA THAT ARE YOU CLAIMING !!!!

I would encourage you to improve your research, at least in relation of your strong statement about "having only been tested for people infected and not for profylactic usage" though

Are you able to confirm what are you saying "about profylactic" usage of these substances?  If you're not able to provide anything about that and these are based on your OPINIONS (meaningless and worthless opinions since you don't know what we are talking about...)  no you can't encourage no one!

I do agree with most of them.

It's very strange since FDA has not approved this as an official treatment but as compassionate use... you should be more incisive during FDA meeting since it seems that no one want listen your opinion

P.S.: If I were infected... I would like to have hydroxycloroquine treatment given to me AS EARLY as possible if given the choice. But hey, that's just me and until we KNOW BETTER.

LOL Based on DATA that you're imagine, based in a study with a lot of weak points, and based in an explanation that you have not read.

This is a small scale trial (25 patients), non blinded and non randomized (it means it can be strongly biased by investigators and you have nothing to compare like "standard of care").  
The picture above isn't clear since what they mean by "no treatment"? Who are these patients? how they select these parameters/patients with "no treatment"? (according to clinical trial register - there is no comparator, no placebo, no standard of care, only IMP investigational medical product).
We don't know when these patients received the treatment (we don't know the really health condition of these subjects at screening).
(according to clinical trial register - Women and men with documented respiratory infection with Coronavirus SARS CoV 2)

Despite this product can sound interesting at first sight (like all treatment when we start a clinical trial Cheesy ) I guess is a bit early to claim any real effect, and even it should be evaluated in a large scale with strong scientific criteria (randomization, double blind etc)

(just a note about preprint, they are publishing in a "small" journal, Impact Factor: 4.615 (NEJM Impact factor: 70.67))

Ah I forget... it's totally worthless if some doctor claim this prophylactic usage without any reference and without any data...  
Other doctors are not fool or stupid that waste time running trials evaluating medicine in scientific and rigorous method!
Did you have miracle substance? OK PROOF IT or SHUT UP!
FDA and other health authorities have been developed to avoid THESE USELESS CLAIM WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE !

 

[bullrun2024bro]

Finally it's here! Happy 1st of April folks!   I love da ass!

Read the WIPE-Paper! https://blog.coinmarketcap.com/2020/04/01/toilet-paper-token-wipe-paper/

[sirazimuth]

Maybe we should consult Gwyneth Paltrow.
She’s working on a quack Goop remedy for this nasty bug no doubt.....

[kurious]

My nephew has recently been expressing interest in knowing more about how the financial markets really work. It's nice to see him thinking for himself and expressing scepticism about the system. But I don't have much time at the moment to sit down with him and explain the corrupt relationship between the Fed, banking system, govts, QE, etc. etc. Any recommendations for something which I can direct him to which explains this all for a bright teenager who is already suitably cynical of mainstream media?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

Starts ELI5 easy, then gets much more sophisticated, but it's good on how money and the economy works.  Also shows cycles and explains a credit crunch and the balance between printing money and getting right (or wrong).

See what you think, but it's a start.

It doesn't explain the abuse and rampant Wall Street skulduggery, mind, but you'll find more that do, I am sure.

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The Guppy by Ogden Nash

Whales have calves,
Cats have kittens,
Bears have cubs,
Bats have bittens,
Swans have cygnets,
Seals have puppies,
But guppies just have little guppies.

Quite extraordinary that scientists agree what ails the guppy ails the human and it can all be cured by ground-up mosquito coils.
But kindly don't bite the bittens, that's icky.

[Hueristic]

My nephew has recently been expressing interest in knowing more about how the financial markets really work. It's nice to see him thinking for himself and expressing scepticism about the system. But I don't have much time at the moment to sit down with him and explain the corrupt relationship between the Fed, banking system, govts, QE, etc. etc. Any recommendations for something which I can direct him to which explains this all for a bright teenager who is already suitably cynical of mainstream media?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

Starts ELI5 easy, then gets much more sophisticated, but it's good on how money and the economy works.  Also shows cycles and explains a credit crunch and the balance between printing money and getting right (or wrong).

See what you think, but it's a start.

It doesn't explain the abuse and rampant Wall Street skulduggery, mind, but you'll find more that do, I am sure.

ELI5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgazsNiu3BA

[Syke]

I think strawberries can play a big role in curing COVID19.

Yes, but only the seedless ones.

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Thanks for the laugh guys - 'Italian man of science'
hahaha that's brilliant
one for my list of oxymorons alright
bit of light relief.

[bitserve]

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Ah I forget... it's totally worthless if some doctor claim this prophylactic usage without any reference and without any data...  
Other doctors are not fool or stupid that waste time running trials evaluating medicine in scientific and rigorous method!
Did you have miracle substance? OK PROOF IT or SHUT UP!
FDA and other health authorities have been developed to avoid THESE USELESS CLAIM WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE !

 

Just to make this clear and from your expert opinion as a pharmacist (working in the drug development/research field I assume): Are you saying that hydroxychloroquine has been proven completely useless as a treatment in the early stages of covid-19 infection (as the graph you posted would imply even if the conditions and small sample are far from ideal) or just only that the associated risks could (maybe) exceed its possible benefits?

Or maybe you are just saying that right now there is not ANY proper/official study that would be enough to show the usefulness of it in treatment covid-19 even if it is already being widely used in many hospitals worldwide (where supplies allow which is the main problem they are complaining about)?

I am just trying to know where exactly lies your strong disagreement with my OPINION.

[bitbollo]

Thanks for the laugh guys - 'Italian man of science'
hahaha that's brilliant
one for my list of oxymorons alright
bit of light relief.

What's wrong?  Italians can't be men of science?

As I told several times, this is my job... if you don't agree with my argumentations or other facts that I tried to explain:
- go to university
- become a pharmacist
- then study a while clinical trials
- Become a PHD, get a Post Degree Courses, Publish some scientific paper in peer-reviewed journals
- working in a couple of universities / pharmaceutical companies

and then we can speak at same level because until then you're just learning something if you don't agree explain with facts and data and not provoke with these  
oxymorons

@ bitserve
I have just explained why there are so many concerns about that following the only 1 paper provided.
If it was really "strong" and really proved as treatment it was already adopted by any health authority. IF NOT, MAYBE.........

BTW
Guys it's ok
You find some one that is really involved into it, that has really experience into this and not just opinions.... and this is the way to deal with someone!?
Regards, it's enough!

[Biodom]

Thanks for the laugh guys - 'Italian man of science'
hahaha that's brilliant
one for my list of oxymorons alright
bit of light relief.

Right, that laughable Galileo or Fermi
-10 WO merits.

[bitbollo]

aww

Come on... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5232377.msg54086003#msg54086003
You like free lessons about potentials treatments on COVID19

(ahahahah you deleted also your post! )

[Raja_MBZ]

These stupid people at CNN right now seem so confident that US is going to see 0.1 million deaths. It's like... if US (hopefully not) gets to see 0.1 million deaths, Trump will come out and tweet, "told you so!".

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v1

Hey pompous fellow tell us - for free - what all these words mean because we are uneducated peasants. We don't do words we do ploughs.

[bitbollo]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v1

Hey pompous fellow tell us - for free - what all these words mean because we are uneducated peasants.

NO MORE FREE LESSONS I Told YOU!!

This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?*]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

Testing a new treatment in.... ?!?

31 patients

Yes confirmed, You have totally no idea what we are talking about.... thanks for confirmation!

* https://www.medrxiv.org/content/what-unrefereed-preprint

Before formal publication in a scholarly journal, scientific and medical articles are traditionally certified by “peer review.” In this process, the journal’s editors take advice from various experts—called “referees”—who have assessed the paper and may identify weaknesses in its assumptions, methods, and conclusions. Typically a journal will only publish an article once the editors are satisfied that the authors have addressed referees’ concerns and that the data presented support the conclusions drawn in the paper.

Because this process can be lengthy, authors use the medRxiv service to make their manuscripts available as “preprints” before certification by peer review, allowing

other scientists to see, discuss, and comment on the findings immediately. Readers should therefore be aware that articles on medRxiv have not been finalized by authors, might contain errors, and report information that has not yet been accepted or endorsed in any way by the scientific or medical community.

We also urge journalists and other individuals who report on medical research to the general public to consider this when discussing work that appears on medRxiv preprints and emphasize it has yet to be evaluated by the medical community and the information presented may be erroneous.

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Among patients with COVID-19, the use of HCQ could significantly shorten TTCR and promote the absorption of pneumonia.

I dont fucken understand all this shit. Does the earth revolve around these guys or are they just fucken marvellous
i must get a degree forthwith

[Hueristic]

These stupid people at CNN right now seem so confident that US is going to see 0.1 million deaths. It's like... if US (hopefully not) gets to see 0.1 million deaths, Trump will come out and tweet, "told you so!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7_t2Ri2Zg&feature=youtu.be

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