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I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.
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FYI...from https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/19/whimp/

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If you use the much less common “whimp” instead people may regard you as a little wimpy.

That said, now I am a wimp for not selling at $60 or 50K? Hilarious.

Here is a bet (nonfunded): within 2-3 years anyone who sold at 50-60K would be considered a wimp, unless, of course, they sold at 60K, then bought back at 17.5-20K, but it is REALLY difficult to do if you already did something with that profit plus paid taxes on it; not impossible, but difficult. Every time I sell, I consider that bitcoin gone..but I haven't sell for a while.
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I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.

You will regret it when it goes past $250k  Cool
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I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.

Make it 98-99K, lol...but, if we are in a normal circumstances, perhaps at least 10X from the actual bottom would be in play.
However, I decided to probably sell a chunk in 2025 regardless of the price; well, I would not do it if the price would be something silly (on the lower side).

EDIT Since we seem to replay the seventies (with major similarity being boomers vs millennials and the effect of those large cohorts on inflation), it stands to reason that stonks and bond markets might bottom by 2024 (with or without a flat all the way to 2030). Going long equities either on a spike down around 2024 and/or by the end of the decade should be one of those generational decisions: buy and forget about it for 20 years.
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July 16, 2022, 09:17:54 PM

Bitch please .............. Gold produces more Energy each day than the mining grid uses the whole year worldwide. The mining grid doesnt use little lemme tell you this much. Gold is the most conductive material that exist.


Mining gold uses fossil fuel
Mining Bitcoin uses electricity like renewables


ur still a s l e e p

anyway as long as i know that alaska that produces 40% of all gold is using organic oil as fuel Wink ( they can say whatever they want now )



ps lemme tell you that plant based oil could be fuel for all mandkind

It's 1-2% of all the gold mined
It's still CO2 production even if their caterpillars run on bio avocado oil Wink

Bitcoin mining could be done using solar only, not generating CO2.

Yes bio oil could be an alternative for the future. However I bet you can't generate the amount fuel consumed today using plant based alternatives...
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i bet i alone can generate 3x the fuel needed for the whole world !?!


what people could be focusing is the output of the oil
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Bitcoin mining could be done using solar only, not generating CO2.
Renewable sources of energy should always be in consideration, apart from solar power which can be harnessed, we also have geothermal energy, tidal, wind, water amongst the list. Although implementation may be different in various places, it is best that the one most abundant to you is harnessed for bitcoin mining purpose.
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July 16, 2022, 09:36:54 PM

Bitch please .............. Gold produces more Energy each day than the mining grid uses the whole year worldwide. The mining grid doesnt use little lemme tell you this much. Gold is the most conductive material that exist.


Mining gold uses fossil fuel
Mining Bitcoin uses electricity like renewables

Yeah but if they build ammonia/hydrogen engines it would be mineable  without fossil fuel.

Not that I argue for gold as a value store.

Gold has an issue which is on any give day a new huge supply could be found.

It is possible that gold is more common than copper which would be good for electrical builds but terrible for gold hodlers.
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i bet i alone can generate 3x the fuel needed for the whole world !?!

what people could be focusing is the output of the oil

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Bitch please .............. Gold produces more Energy each day than the mining grid uses the whole year worldwide. The mining grid doesnt use little lemme tell you this much. Gold is the most conductive material that exist.


Mining gold uses fossil fuel
Mining Bitcoin uses electricity like renewables

Yeah but if they build ammonia/hydrogen engines it would be mineable  without fossil fuel.

Not that I argue for gold as a value store.

Gold has an issue which is on any give day a new huge supply could be found.

It is possible that gold is more common than copper which would be good for electrical builds but terrible for gold hodlers.

Making ammonia requires natural gas and has a "remove CO2" step in the process...

Edit: there is also a green production method
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July 16, 2022, 10:18:36 PM

Those who are claiming that bottom will be at $17k seem to forget that we have already visited $17k this cycle.  Tongue

some where a while back I picked 15-17.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


JUNE Ended But Records are still Counting the latest Glassnode report Say's.
Fuck Glassnode and their manipulation games.
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Hm?  They are really manipulating..?    I know that they had to reframe some data in recent times.... and surely we have seen all kinds of ways that entities can take advantage of their position in the bitcoin (crypto in this case?) space...  but maybe you are right..   those folks are fucking around with various aspects of the data.   Could be.  Could be.
It's def. a tool that's used for manipulation.
 
I'm quite sure the Glassnode guys at least know their tool will be utilized to paint a certain narrative / use a narrative by big players.  
It could also be easily worse and the Glasnost guys are in on it somehow.

Even though I have not yet come to such conclusion, there may well be some kind of legitimacy to your claims... much better than some seeming numerology claims, too.

I would imagine if there is a wee bit of manipulation or even timing of certain data releases, then surely those might ONLY be a kind of insider, or maybe shared with friends and I suppose others can end up using it (without even Glassnode guys actively sharing with them) merely by knowing the true data versus the exaggerated data.

JUNE Ended But Records are still Counting the latest Glassnode report Say's.

Fuck Glassnode and their manipulation games.
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I'm sure 😊 you are good at analysis of all the Transections then. I can't put my whole week to analyze the transfer details to take next position and pack up with the coming time,

Yeah.. take the comment personally Hamza2424.. that makes a lot of senses.. . Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
I guess he didn't stomach well that a few days ago, I was asking him to post some Gay Christmas Eid ul-Adha Cards.  
Well knowing that his #ReligionOfPeace is so peaceful that its believers try to kill anyone for having the humor audacity to do so...

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Sorry, but as long as your guy-in-the-sky cult can't laugh about its own ideas and even kills others who do so, your Eid ul-Adha blessings and best wishes to everyone aren't worth crap, seriously.
Sometimes I cannot really determine if some of the trolling is just getting more sophisticated (subtle) or if there just might be some ideas to bring some legitimate alternative perspectives.. and there could just be some legitimate attempts to work out some kind of balance - and maybe part of the reason why I don't really find too many problems to call into questions a variety of societal presumptions.. even though sometimes deviating into questionably relevant topics of religion, politics and/or sex.. and sex is not even as controversial.. but gosh some of the gender matters can become difficult and identity politics.. and even some of the diet stuff when finding folks in real life who actually might be legitimately tied to some certain ideas that can be difficult to discuss in a face-to-face manner.

It's not easy sometimes in the real world because we might meet people who seem to be nice people and even seem to have several good intentions, in the real world, but they have built their world around some ideas that are quite conflicting (with my own in this example)...

Sometimes all ideas are equal or discretionary.. but then other times they don't really seem to be, and that can be tough. because sometimes the other person will have equally strong views that I am wrong.. just take the meat eating versus vegan example. .I just don't consider vegan eating to be a good idea even though it can be tolerated quite well by some people.. maybe up to a certain age.. but lots of nutrition dangers. including kids (like infants - right after getting off breast milk.. ) being fed in those kinds of vegan ways  I have trouble with that.. just as an example of what I am talking about. ..

and, yeah of course, religions that have certain seeming illogical language proscriptions seem problematic mostly.. yet all of us probably have some language sensitivities too..

Which public #bitcoin miners will be the winners and losers of the bear market?

A Twitter thread by Jason Mallory

https://twitter.com/JMellerud/status/1541444212444614656

Some good miner analysis there. I found it at the end of the interesting thread posted here.

What's it mean though regarding price..?   Are some of those miners going out of business?  Are they going to have to sell levels of BTC that will not be sufficiently absorbed by the market?   What's the summary from the AlcoHoDL perspective?  We going down some more or no?  Inquiring minds want to know what uie pooie(nohomo) thinks.


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Fucking great shit, dudes!!!  Cool
It seems i have found a remedy against that Chronic Fatigue Pain-In-The-Ass.
Nattokinase, alternating with Lumbrokinase every other day, combined with Red Ginseng. I'm on this for a good week now.
Today i was roofing a house with friends, 8 hours of hard work in glaring sunlight, and i feel really tired, but not exhausted.
This would have sent me to bed after one or two hours,leaving me feeling exhausted and brainfoggy for a few more days. But today there's no brainfog, no muscle twitching/pains, no fatigue, no heart palpitations, no Post Excertional Malaise at all!
I*m feeling fucking great, i finally shaked off that fucking curse that got me for the last 11 years!

When i got a hint that Red Ginseng, combined with the two other enzymes, removed blood clotting and Small Fiber Neuropathy in Long Covid patients, i thought: "Hey, this might work with my postviral fatigue syndrome...", and it did.

When i watched the Bitcoin charts at the end of the day, it turned out to be the cream topping of all  Cool

Now there are only the memory problems left, and that high sensibility to noise and light. I'm sure there's a way i can get rid of that too  Grin



This is awesome! My wife has been hit with covid a second time and being a CFS sufferer it's really knocked the shit out of her. You able to PM me or post here the amounts of each you've been taking? If it can help her out I'm more than willing to try
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July 16, 2022, 10:32:03 PM

With gold there is also mercury pollution. And arsenic. It's a big problem in French Guiana with illegal gold mining.

In a few decades I expect asteroid mining to increase the supply of gold significantly.

I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.

You will regret it when it goes past $250k  Cool

Yes that's my point. When we'll get towards 100K I will think about that and will want to cancel the order.

I'm helped by the fact I lost plenty of coins in various ways so I won't delve into the past too much.
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With gold there is also mercury pollution. And arsenic. It's a big problem in French Guiana with illegal gold mining.

In a few decades I expect asteroid mining to increase the supply of gold significantly.

I have a sell order at 100K$. For something like 5% of my stash. The difficulty will be to keep it when we'll be approaching that level, so I'm already preparing myself. When the price goes down under 100K I don't want to have regrets.

You will regret it when it goes past $250k  Cool

Yes that's my point. When we'll get towards 100K I will think about that and will want to cancel the order.

I'm helped by the fact I lost plenty of coins in various ways so I won't delve into the past too much.

Maybe a trailing stop loss at 30% below the current price, on the way up, starting at 100k, might be a better idea.

We've all lost some coins at one point or another. Don't sob, just keep on stacking...
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Gotta keep up the pretence that nuclear power is extremely dangerous.

God forbid a country would build enough safe nuclear power plants in the 21st century and be completely energy independent. The whole WEF globalist house of cards would come tumbling down.

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Pointless post follows -- skip if you're looking for serious TA/charts/predictions.

BBQ with cousin & friends tonight. One is a coiner (sadly, of the crapto variety). In 2017 I talked to him about Bitcoin, but he ended up becoming a shitcoiner out of get-rich-quick greed and falling for the "too expensive" trap. After 5 years of 24/7 chart-watching/day-trading (installed monitors in bedroom, kitchen and bathroom), he's still not rich, just a bit better off. Of his $5k initial investment, he bought some small piece of land (worth $10k) and a 75" TV, and was left with the $5k he started with -- I've already talked about his case here in WO -- not that anyone cares, but it can serve as a lesson to some, if Jay's batslappenings are not enough. Now, cousin focuses on what he does best: handle the meat/BBQ matters (he's really good at that). I just go there for the good company (they're all great guys/gals) and to eat. Easy life. Thank you, Bitcoin.

We are likely going to be dealing with no coiners, low coiners and shitcoiners for a decent amount of time.. hard to predict the future though.. dollar is going to last for how long?  at least 10 years, no?  It's hard to know. It's hard to imagine a world in which the dollar were to disappear and then there is some gravitation of people into shitcoins?  I am having troubles .. except having pretty good ideas that having some kind of bitcoin hedge - even if it is not a whole lot.. 1% to 25%.. and yeah... get the fuck off zero.. and 1% seems almost a minimum.. but people likely don't even do that because they seem to still have troubles knowing what is bitcoin.. they know what is the dollar (at least they think that they know that having more of those dollar thingies is better than having fewer.. hahahahahaha.. why is these BBQs costing more and more and more? and why are there so many zeros on the end of my dollar bills.. reintroduction of the $10k bill.. great.. ).. and they know what is gambling (well they seem to love to get caught up in it)..

It feels like we might have "battomed out". Just tried to send $10k to Kraken to BTFD, but bank says "recipient account blocked". Tried the remaining 3 IBANs. Still blocked. Tried $5k. Still blocked. Fuck you, fiat system. Looks like I will have to open another account on some crypto-friendly bank.

Those ramps seem to need to be regularly activated.. NOT trying to say what to do.. .. but sometimes I am doing some back and forth with fiat systems just to do it and to keep it active and to know that it is active.. but still sometimes they dry up.. those fucks..

fiat overlap seems almost inevitable.. and maye one of the reasons to spend more time on BBQ expert friend.. because sometimes it may well be good to have some ways to directly transact with people.. instead of going back and forth through fiat systems that can get blocked.. and actually when I was in another geographical location, I had developed a pretty deep network of direct interactions.. but some geographical areas are less endowed with even possible people.. .. and sure some of them might get on board.. so maybe will be easier at some point down the road.. 10 years?  20 years?  pay with lighting in local stores?.. so yeah.. we have buying and selling.. hate to deviate into the "we need transactions" talking points of the big blockers..

Can't wait to re-read the current WO posts in 2025, by which time we'll be in 6 digits and slowly marching towards the $million/coin mark. There will be dips along the way, but hey, what's new? The $100k party is already so last year... The $million party will be so awesome. There won't be any OPSEC issues, as we'll all be meeting in Bob's Virtual Ranch using our $10k VR gear, which will stimulate all 5 (6?) senses to the point of not being able to tell the difference from RL. The only remnants of the past will be BitcoinTalk, which will still be powered by SMF 1.1.19, and proudhon, who will still be predicting doom and gloom backed by math & science (and still be the party's biggest whale).

VR gear?  Will I earn a token?.. gosh.. I hope not.. but one way to guard some OPSec matters..

Well.. $1million by 2025?  not sure.. not sure.. I thought up to $1.5 million had a 0.5% chance for this cycle.. so it should have even better odds for next cycle.. which would include 2025.. but have not worked out the probabilities, yet... harder to really get enthusiastic.. while still stuck below the 200-week moving average, currently at $22,617 as of yesterday.

Aim for 1 BTC (not less than that, more if you can).

You are right that 1 BTC is way more reachable than what it was in the last year and a half.. but it still seems a bit high for those outside of  the western world for an initial target... .. and so I still think that sticking with 0.21 BTC seems a good generally applicable starting point..  ..and of course, we can battle back and forth about this.. but even fucking normies in the western world, who hardly are able to save shit (think of BBQ guy), they need to get inspired to get the fuck off zero and to get an amount that is manageable for them.. .. yeah, if they go above the initial goal, then that's fine.. but getting to 0.21 BTC seems a great start.. like an amount that once you get it, you are not dipping into it.. and it could even take some of the folks a whole fucking long time, even though they might consider themselves as stacking sats..

Take my example of a person who I had been talking to about bitcoin since at least early 2016 (BTC prices around $400-ish), and the person even said that I was talking with them about it before that, so whatever, I cannot always remember, but my point is that this person only got involved in mid-2021.. So since the person owns a house and lives a pretty comfortable life in terms of frequently splurging on lodging or good quality food ingredients, I suggested starting at $100 per week, and the person did about $50-ish per week.

I am thinking that the person did less than $50 per week based on some of my conversations, and sometimes I have been afraid to get into some details recently because sometimes when I do talk about the topic, the person seems to have few clues about why bitcoin except number go up and that I recommended it.. and doesn't seem to do any of the homework that I gave.. hardly any maybe once in a while saying that reading had been done (I have my doubts).. .... and we know that number goes up but surely not in recent times.. not even in the past 1.5 years.. and maybe not even in the past 4.5 years if we go by our 2017 top.. ..so even smart people seem to fail/refuse to do hardly any due diligence that helps them to actually understand in any kind of meaningful way.. and so a year buying at $50 per week is going to get such person around $2,650 invested and only about 0.06 BTC (that is ONLY worth about $1,260 currently even though $2,650 invested).. that is an affluent person who believes that s/he is taking reasonably prudent steps to hedge other investments.. whimpy for sure.. whimpy.. .. and maybe even scared and maybe even stopping the DCA when the BTC prices are low because scared..

Of course, more investment into BTC is better.. but we gotta consider to get people to get off zero first, and then to shoot for a reasonable and reachable goal.. and they likely are ONLY looking at the dollar value anyhow.. and I think that 1 BTC is too hight of a target for a newbie.. even one who might be wanting to aim towards some level of aggressiveness (non whimpiness)...
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