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April 10, 2014, 09:22:42 PM

mtgox returns!?
[Suspicious link removed]j.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642

Great, thats all we need!

Now the whole edifice is sure to crumble.
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April 10, 2014, 09:22:43 PM

This explains today's crash...
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April 10, 2014, 09:23:36 PM

Well ain't that sum shit lol
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April 10, 2014, 09:24:11 PM

your first prediction of flash crash to 400 was right but your second prediction on the reversal was and is wrong, you have been calling a reversal from 550 all the way down to $400, sadly we broke that 400.

now there is 2 scary facts, China is really closing accounts on the 15th of April and this is confirmed, now Australia will be closing all Bitcoin business related accounts on the 2nd of may; now  it is unclear for me how there is a chance of a reversal !! till then, I don't know if we reached the bottom yet...

My approach to predictions: If I make a 50/50 prediction, I aim to be "right" exactly 50% of the time. If I make 70/30 (that was perhaps my feeling after the Feb-25 crash) I still need to be "wrong" every third time, otherwise I am playing too safe. If you don't understand this, better not listen to me at all.

Rational investors discount the future to the present, and all information commonly available is already priced in. Now, Bitcoin is very far from an efficient market, and therefore there is a mispricing going on. I am moving funds to exchange if nothing else helps to correct/profit from the situation. I think this is the biggest reason why the reversal/recovery is sluggish: whales like me are scared as hell to send the million$ back to exchanges, no matter if they were originally earned by selling bitcoins or if it is new money. It is the shadow of Gox again.

Please somebody sell me bitcoins at $389, off-exchange, BTC100 minimum. Please.


So you seem to be describing my theory, as well.  That the exchanges push BTC prices down b/c big cats (or whales) are NOT storing their fiat there.... for exactly the GOX fears you mentioned.  Accordingly, the exchanges are disproportionately BTC laden and BTC holder's ability to push down prices by selling lots of BTC.

Are you also saying that you do NOT have any avenues to buy large quantity of BTC off of the exchanges?   

I suspect that some whales are finding ways to transact directly from time to time, and accordingly, they are using the exchange price as their price guideline for such large transactions.  Some of the work on decentralized exchanges will hopefully solve some of these issues, but as soon as we begin to touch fiat, then we are getting back to some kind of bank(s) involvement.


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April 10, 2014, 09:24:43 PM

[Suspicious link removed]j.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642.html


Gox is back?

MAGIC THE GATHERING GAME IS STILL BIG!!!! I've been seeing local comic book shops all over >> booming!!!

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LOL!!!

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April 10, 2014, 09:25:50 PM

now Australia will be closing all Bitcoin business related accounts on the 2nd of may
Actually it is only ONE bank in Australia; and AFAIK there are no exchanges with significant volume in Australia, are there?
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April 10, 2014, 09:26:54 PM

My friend rpietila seems nervous.  I am a Bitcoin true believer and when the chart tells my to buy, I will buy like a motherfucker, but right now I'm margin short and making money.


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April 10, 2014, 09:27:04 PM


Hollywood.  The perfect partner to empty gox  Cheesy
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April 10, 2014, 09:29:53 PM

They are offering buying gox for $400 .. just saying  Cheesy

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The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur, is offering a token payment of one bitcoin, or about $400, to buy the exchange outright, according to these people. The acquisition must be approved by a Japanese bankruptcy court.
Plz post whole article?
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April 10, 2014, 09:30:18 PM

They are offering buying gox for $400 .. just saying  Cheesy

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The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur, is offering a token payment of one bitcoin, or about $400, to buy the exchange outright, according to these people. The acquisition must be approved by a Japanese bankruptcy court.
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Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox
A group of investors with Hollywood ties is seeking to revive bankrupt bitcoin-trading exchange Mt. Gox, according to people familiar with the matter.
The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur, is offering a token payment of one bitcoin, or about $400, to buy the exchange outright, according to these people. The acquisition must be approved by a Japanese bankruptcy court.
Mt. Gox collapsed in February after disclosing that 750,000 bitcoins belonging to customers had vanished, along with an additional 100,000 bitcoins owned by the virtual-currency exchange. Since then, about 200,000 bitcoins have been recovered and are part of the exchange's assets.
The investor group hopes to revive the exchange and set aside 50% of its transaction fees to pay back burned customers and other creditors over time, according to documents filed to the Japanese bankruptcy court and reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
The near-zero valuation of the proposed deal could to be a hurdle in bankruptcy court.
According to people familiar with the plan, the group is justifying the low price because of the "information vacuum" over Mt. Gox's 550,000 missing bitcoins, currently worth about $220 million. It isn't possible to place a value on the lost coins, they said.
Creditors, who have been stuck in limbo since their accounts were frozen, would have the option of receiving a prorated payment from the 200,000 recovered bitcoins, an estimated 20% recovery value on their claims, or receiving the equivalent amount in equity in the new exchange.
Launched in 2009, bitcoin is a computer-driven currency that isn't backed by a central bank. Users "mine," or create, bitcoins by tapping high-powered computers to answer complex mathematical problems. The coins are stored in digital wallets that have proven to be susceptible to hacking.
Bitcoin's price soared to more than $1,100 in November before plunging as Chinese government officials clamped down on bitcoin trading and Mt. Gox lurched toward bankruptcy. The Tokyo exchange halted customer withdrawals in dollars last year, and in February stopped allowing customers to withdraw money in any currency.
The potential revival of Mt. Gox, which had struggled with technical problems for months before its collapse, comes at a critical time for the virtual currency. A wave of big investors are pouring money into startup bitcoin businesses, but price volatility and regulatory scrutiny are creating uncertainty about the currency's long-term prospects.
Mr. Pierce, 33 years old, appeared in "The Mighty Ducks" movie series in the 1990s, and has since become an investor focused on technology companies.
Other investors in the group include venture capitalists William Quigley, the managing director of Santa Monica, Calif.-based Clearstone Venture Partners and a former financial director Disney Inc.'s licensing businesses; and Matthew Roszak, a partner at Chicago-based SilkRoad Equity, a venture-capital firm. John Betts, who ran electronic trading platforms at Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., would be the chief executive of the proposed new firm, according to the plan.
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April 10, 2014, 09:30:32 PM

you are sooo full of shit! =) ^i'll sell you as many as you want@ $389!

I doubt you have BTC100 considering your posting history, but just in case I'm mistaken, send as many as you like here and PM your wire info. Price is the Bitstamp last trade for each of the transfers.


cash talks shit walks!!! =) it's me fucker, i'm calling you out on your bullshit(->just like the $700 BTC you re-nigged on)

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SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!

Yeah.

This is what I was saying weeks ago - Bitcoin's street price will never go below 400. You will not now, not ever, be able to actually buy them as many as you want, safely, at that price or lower. Only by wiring to these exchanges and taking huge haircuts every once in a while, you are able to gamble if you can get any coins. Not currently a very bright situation but just in case someone wants to prove me wrong, the address is there.

PS. No need to reply, punk. A full bitcoin is something that you dream of.

SHOW ME THE MONEY YOU SCAMMER!!!!

like i said you are totally full of shit ! I have as many bitcoins you want to buy @ $389 ! You don't remember me pushing the price over $500 via the Wall Street "usual suspects" you said you would sell me coins for $700 and when the time came you ignored me!!! Now how many you want to buy? LOL that's what i thought you fucking troll!!! =) GTFO!!!
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April 10, 2014, 09:30:49 PM

Man, I'm so depressed right now...

May I offer you a Pez?
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April 10, 2014, 09:31:08 PM

ytd lows LTC  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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April 10, 2014, 09:32:32 PM

After I make this post, I am going dark on anything bitcoin related. I am not in a panic, just a little annoyed about seeing the price go down constantly. Hopefully by the time I come back, we will be on our way to the moon. C ya later boys.

                                                                               

Sounds like a good plan for me.
I am out of fiat on Stamp (might transfer a little more after the next pay check), and I am going to pull all of my sell orders, except for a couple of high-end ones, and move all my BTCs from the exchange to cold storage.
See you all in a few months (yes, I know optimistic of me) Smiley
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April 10, 2014, 09:33:28 PM


is there a way to get behind that wsj paywall?
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April 10, 2014, 09:34:42 PM

article above
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April 10, 2014, 09:34:54 PM

mtgox returns!?
[Suspicious link removed]j.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642

Hollywood.  The perfect partner to empty gox  Cheesy


no i don't think so Hollywood i checked it out they want nothing to do with bitcoin(~nervous Russians mehhh)

:-)

i may be wrong but who would throw money into that murky pool with tainted history and huge debt?
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April 10, 2014, 09:36:09 PM

Has anyone noticed that usually these bad news/crashes come before the weekend?

I am just saying... from Friday to late Monday, usually you can't move fiat around. If you deposit on Friday, it will probably arrive sometime on Tuesday/Wednesday.
Therefore, a rally won't come until Tuesday / Wednesday, when more fiat will come into the market.

At the same time, if you want to crash BTC to buy cheap, you will want to crash it on a Friday.
Hmmm...
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April 10, 2014, 09:36:24 PM

This is a prime time to tell you about the prime cycle; the overall cycle is 37 weeks broken up by 37 day mini-cycles. The next mini-cycle ends on April 19th, this ending does not denote a bottom just a turning point.
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April 10, 2014, 09:36:36 PM

LTC is dying lols...
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