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If you did not notice this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462314.0

Apparently, Adam Back bet 1mil sats (~$300 right now) that bitcoin would be at or above $100K on 0:00hr UTC time March 31, 2024 (initially); the bet was later later adjusted to 840000 block time.

Is 300$ a challenging amount to bet??  Roll Eyes

Of course, not, but there is a tradition of well known people putting small bets on various occurrences, like black hole information paradox bet (Thorne-Hawking-Preskill) or Hawking bets against Higgs bozon discovery and "naked" singularity. You can see a small bet, I forgot, either $10 or $20 in the "Oppenheimer" movie.

Other notable 'small' bets include George Lucas bet against Steven Spielberg that Lucas' film (Star Wars) would get less profits than The third encounter. Speilberg won and, allegedly, collected $12.5 mil. See some bets here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bets

To me the surprise was that A. Back thinks that 100K is so close...almost here.
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50/50 is the actual market trend. $25k to $35k up and down that's is a common trend.

What is that supposed to mean?

From about late 2018 until late 2021, we had a market trend that was up.. we mostly could see that as of about May 2019, even though we had various dips along the way, including a pretty big (seemingly aberration) dip in March 2020.

Then in 2022 we mostly had down until about November, but we likely did not (mostly unambigously) realize that we were in down until about May 2022.. and then since November 2022 we have been in UP.. but it is not 100% confirmed, but most likely the bottom of $15,479 is in... but still we may have several more dips along the way in terms of this particular up.. and we also don't necessarily know how far we are going up and how long it is going to take.. but the general trend and/or direction seems to be UP, unless it ends up being the case that the bottom is not actually in, which does not seem to be very likely.. and also it seems that at least while we are in this particular UPtrend, that in the upcoming 2-3 years it is most likely that we are going to continue to stay above the 200-week moving average (which is currently $27,264 and moving up nearly $16 per day), even though we remain so close to it, that it might end up getting breached a few more times in the upcoming 2-3 years.

At the same time, none of this is guaranteed.. but the proclamation that we are in a trend that is $25k to $35k seems to be gobble-dee-gook, even though it seems that we are currently in that kind of a price range in which the BTC price may or may not break out in one direction or another (and that is where the 50/50 odds come in, and probably more likely to break towards to the upside, since the actual trend is up, even if we are remaining in this $25k to $35k range for the whole of this calendar year.. and mostly within this range we seem to be trending up within the range, and I am not sure if that supports the idea that the break out of the range will be UP rather than DOWN, but the fact that bottom of the current range includes being quite a bit below the 200-week moving average seems to support conclusions that it would be less likely that we would break down from this current range, rather than up.
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Waiting for the god damn mempool again

I always overpay

But it doesn't matter, bitcoin does what it wants

A while ago, someone was making a metaphor for blocks being mined like waiting for a drink at the bar

Its more like waiting for your number to be rolled on a 6-sided dice

Statistically, each number should come up 1 out of every 6 rolls

But in reality you could be waiting a long ass time for your number to come up.
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Waiting for the god damn mempool again

I always overpay

But it doesn't matter, bitcoin does what it wants

A while ago, someone was making a metaphor for blocks being mined like waiting for a drink at the bar

Its more like waiting for your number to be rolled on a 6-sided dice

Statistically, each number should come up 1 out of every 6 rolls

But in reality you could be waiting a long ass time for your number to come up.

 Go quick!  There are 100 free tx accelerations per hour
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

 edit: hmmm... I guess ViaBTC isn't one of the top miners these days but still free is free
https://www.viabtc.com/statistics
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Go quick!  There are 100 free tx accelerations per hour
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

 edit: hmmm... I guess ViaBTC isn't one of the top miners these days but still free is free
https://www.viabtc.com/statistics


They just rebroadcast old transactions AFAIK... Won't help. I'm waiting for new blocks to be mined. Thanks anyway.
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Go quick!  There are 100 free tx accelerations per hour
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

 edit: hmmm... I guess ViaBTC isn't one of the top miners these days but still free is free
https://www.viabtc.com/statistics


They just rebroadcast old transactions AFAIK... Won't help. I'm waiting for new blocks to be mined. Thanks anyway.

 No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.

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 I've used it many times.
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If you did not notice this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462314.0
Apparently, Adam Back bet 1mil sats (~$300 right now) that bitcoin would be at or above $100K on 0:00hr UTC time March 31, 2024 (initially); the bet was later later adjusted to 840000 block time.
Is 300$ a challenging amount to bet??  Roll Eyes

I think that the symbolic nature of the bet is supposed to be part of the point that is being made.

It seems to me that there are NOT needs to make large public bets merely to show that you are a baller.. or whatever in that direction... To me, trying to show that you are a baller sounds like a shitcoin ploy to feel any kind of need to make large public bets when the point of the bet is likely still communicated by the fact that Adam Back is making that bet.

Many (probably most) people believe that Back is going to lose this particular bet, which it does seem that the odds are against him, even though we likely recognize and appreciate that bitcoin can do a lot of crazy-ass things, including but not limited to reaching new ATHs way before it usually would be expected  to reach such ATH within the four-year cycle (to the extent that 4-year cycles remain "a thing.").

If you did not notice this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462314.0
Apparently, Adam Back bet 1mil sats (~$300 right now) that bitcoin would be at or above $100K on 0:00hr UTC time March 31, 2024 (initially); the bet was later later adjusted to 840000 block time.
Is 300$ a challenging amount to bet??  Roll Eyes
Yes, $300 is a quite challenging amount for many people especially for the ones who belong to low wage areas.

Adam Back is not in the low wage area, and his counter-betting party is likely not in a low wage area either.

I consider myself among those people for whom $300 is quite a huge sum of money and for that much money I can work a whole month for someone.

And you are not making the bet, right?

Some people always try to find many opportunities to earn money the right way and for them such amount really matters a lot my friend.

Betting can be "a right way" to make money, if your purpose is actually to make money rather than to just communicate a message.

People who are ONLY making $300 per month probably should not be easily entering into $300 bets, but even if the bet is 1/12 your annual income, that still is not necessarily an outrageous amount to bet if you were to have a sufficient amount of savings.. I am not sure what the threshold would need to be.

Gosh think about it, if a person makes (and feels somewhat comfortable to live off of $300 per month), then even if we raise that to $1k per month (to account for inflation and debasement of the currency), then a years income would be $12k, and fuck you status is usually 20x to 30x annual income, so you may well end up reaching fuck you status with merely $240k to $360k invested/saved.  Frequently we talk about fuck you status being much higher than that, but surely if we are wanting to be sensitive to the lower income earners (and people who are happy living off of lower amounts), we can still see that fuck you status can be entered way lower than what some folks in the western countries believe to be necessary for them to feel sufficiently happy in terms of attempting to maintain their accustomed standard of living.

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Now now shabban do not think you know the first thing about me.  Let me clarify it for "yours truly" .

You don't even know what the term "yours truly" means, you dumb twat.

Yours truly is an expression that is used to refer to yourself, not the other person.

Sure, maybe could give you a break on that one because many of us can get some of the common and normal expressions WWWWRRRRROOOOONNNNGGGG.

I do not hate Bljatcoin i simply hate what if has become because of lowaks like you and therefore disprove it.

In other words, you are bitter about bitcoin, and just looking for excuses to hate on bitcoiners.

Pobrecito.



Not.

When true early adopters were in it it was easily taken from them by a calculated attack on many exchanges which is bound to happen again and make this bljatcoin worthless again for a time being.

Some peeps learned their lessons not to keep so much value with third parties, and others, like uie pooie (to the extent that we can even believe you) merely get bitter about their mistakes.. and they compound the dumbness of their earlier mistake into even more dumbness by failing refusing to buy BTC, and they even further exacerbate their stubborness by chiding the smart ones (which are the ones who bought bitcoin) and hoping that some day that they might be correct in terms of their bitter no coiner status.. which is largely ONLY going to continue to keep them having fun staying poor.

Im enjoying it here i see folks like you posting in all 6 years of my company nothing else but the same words over and over again.

6 years of your having fun staying poor while some of us, including the farter sirazimuth, laughing his way to the bank and building useless additions in his house while you are likely having difficulties finding enough money in order to stop sucking on grandma's milk and cookies teet (or is it apron strings?.. mixed metaphors, I know.)

It is for my personal enjoyment cause repetition like this is rare if you know what i mean(since ya all toxic little killers of joy). I offered the greatest event that could happen to Bljatcoin yet you all refused cause you all scared doubting little girls..

Simply put : Ya'all ruined BTC

Again.  You live in a fantasy.  You are likely not even enjoying these kinds of interactions if you really think about how many of your financial and obvious psychological insecurity issues would have had been resolved (or lessened) with even a modest ongoing investment into bitcoin, and then at least you would have options rather than getting joy from childish interactions within a topic in which you apparently (to the extent that we can even believe you) haven't any investment.
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No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.

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 I've used it many times.

I confirm that the thing still works, it has saved me many times and I hope it will continue to work in the future.
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No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.

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 I've used it many times.

OK, because they're a mining pool operator they can prioritize certain transactions. That's good and I can see how it could be useful but it can't make blocks get mined any faster. My txs will all be included in the next block so long as it confirms within the next 10 mins or so. Its already been 48 fucking minutes since the last block. That's why I'm complaining.
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If you did not notice this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462314.0
Apparently, Adam Back bet 1mil sats (~$300 right now) that bitcoin would be at or above $100K on 0:00hr UTC time March 31, 2024 (initially); the bet was later later adjusted to 840000 block time.
Is 300$ a challenging amount to bet??  Roll Eyes

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Rabbits do sometimes scratch and bite.

I would not overly poo poo the reasonableness of being scared of rabbits (even in this forum, many of us here are scared of bitcoin bunny.. he can be a very irritable rabbit (bunny is a kind of rabbit, correct?) from time to time, including but not limited to scratching and biting).

If you did not notice this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462314.0
Apparently, Adam Back bet 1mil sats (~$300 right now) that bitcoin would be at or above $100K on 0:00hr UTC time March 31, 2024 (initially); the bet was later later adjusted to 840000 block time.
Is 300$ a challenging amount to bet??  Roll Eyes
Of course, not, but there is a tradition of well known people putting small bets on various occurrences, like black hole information paradox bet (Thorne-Hawking-Preskill) or Hawking bets against Higgs bozon discovery and "naked" singularity. You can see a small bet, I forgot, either $10 or $20 in the "Oppenheimer" movie.

Other notable 'small' bets include George Lucas bet against Steven Spielberg that Lucas' film (Star Wars) would get less profits than The third encounter. Speilberg won and, allegedly, collected $12.5 mil. See some bets here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bets

To me the surprise was that A. Back thinks that 100K is so close...almost here.

Remember the $1 bet in "My Fair Lady" between Henry Higgins and Colonel Pickering...

and the bet was whether Higgins would be able to turn the flower girl (Eliza) into a "proper" lady.

A classic but a goodie, and probably could not make such a film today without a bit more gender fluidity contained therein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Fair_Lady#:~:text=Higgins%20wagers%20Pickering%20that%2C%20within,becomes%20part%20of%20Higgins's%20household.

Waiting for the god damn mempool again

I always overpay

But it doesn't matter, bitcoin does what it wants

A while ago, someone was making a metaphor for blocks being mined like waiting for a drink at the bar

Its more like waiting for your number to be rolled on a 6-sided dice

Statistically, each number should come up 1 out of every 6 rolls

But in reality you could be waiting a long ass time for your number to come up.

To me it looks like since about the beginning of July until now, 7 sats per vbyte would be sufficient to get your transfer to go through in a reasonable time, if you are transacting with yourself...

and maybe if you really want them to go through because you are transacting with a stranger, then just double the fee to 14 sats per vbyte.

https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,30d,weight

I am having difficulties seeing the extent to which there is much of an issue, and sure some wallets have issues with coin control, and maybe some wallets charge the wrong fees too, but there are wallets in which we are able to learn how to set these kinds of fee matters to our own appetites for how much of a delay (and/or costs) we are willing to tolerate...

.. and sure if you are sending from multiple addresses rather than from one address at a time (again coin control), then the fees might end up being higher and even that you might want to prefer for lower fee times, even though it does appear that below 5 sat per vbyte fees have not been going through for several months, even though they were close to being completely cleared in the middle of May... but even in the past few months, you are running risks if you are trying to get transactions to go through for less than 5-7 sats per vbyte.

Waiting for the god damn mempool again

I always overpay

But it doesn't matter, bitcoin does what it wants

A while ago, someone was making a metaphor for blocks being mined like waiting for a drink at the bar

Its more like waiting for your number to be rolled on a 6-sided dice

Statistically, each number should come up 1 out of every 6 rolls

But in reality you could be waiting a long ass time for your number to come up.
Go quick!  There are 100 free tx accelerations per hour
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

 edit: hmmm... I guess ViaBTC isn't one of the top miners these days but still free is free
https://www.viabtc.com/statistics

Oh.. that reminds me.  

There is even RBF replace by fee, which is what some wallets have, which are either parent pays for child or child pays for parent... so some of the wallets have those kinds of features... and another good reason to try to learn about how to use various wallets and various wallet features, even though some of them are changing, and for sure this here yours truly is no kind of a technical expert, but sometimes each of us can still be ongoingly learning some of the various ways to have some kind of an ability to control our transactions or maybe to learn from our earlier experiences regarding potentially better ways to send our coins... if such monitoring and/or coin control options might or might not be available in some circumstances, too.

No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.
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ViaBTC will prioritize your transactions and include them in the next block we mine, provided the volume of this transaction must be ≤0.5 KB, and the transaction fee rate must be ≥ 0.0001 BTC/KB.

 I've used it many times.
OK, because they're a mining pool operator they can prioritize certain transactions. That's good and I can see how it could be useful but it can't make blocks get mined any faster. My txs will all be included in the next block so long as it confirms within the next 10 mins or so. Its already been 48 fucking minutes since the last block. That's why I'm complaining whining.

FTFY

First world problems.
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No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.

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 I've used it many times.

I confirm that the thing still works, it has saved me many times and I hope it will continue to work in the future.

yes when btc goes to 20 sats a byte or more

you can pay 11 sats a byte and use viabtc to muscle it.

I think fees are close to 29 sats a byte so if your tx has a lot of bytes it could be very expensive

maybe 0.0029 btc  for the fee
while this would be 0.0011  btc for the fee
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Go quick!  There are 100 free tx accelerations per hour
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator

 edit: hmmm... I guess ViaBTC isn't one of the top miners these days but still free is free
https://www.viabtc.com/statistics


They just rebroadcast old transactions AFAIK... Won't help. I'm waiting for new blocks to be mined. Thanks anyway.

 No, they include 100 tx per hour into the next block they mine provided they meet certain conditions.

FREE Submission
ViaBTC will prioritize your transactions and include them in the next block we mine, provided the volume of this transaction must be ≤0.5 KB, and the transaction fee rate must be ≥ 0.0001 BTC/KB.

 I've used it many times.

It works fine most of the time. One of the fastest ways to mine your transaction faster. Just keep an eye in their terms and conditions incase they have updated it recently.
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