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If I had enough bitcoins, I would probably sell some for gold right now. This seems the best advice. But... What if the logic is wrong? If learned something during all these years is that when the chances for an explosive bull run are almost 0, she surprises everybody. I have the (SOMA) feeling that this is the case, and by the end of the year she will touch 200K. No arguments for that, no logic, nothing. Hence not a financial advice.  Cool
Gold or Bitcoin has been a debate for a long time. When Bitcoin is in a bear market and the price of gold increases relatively a little, many investors think that they should sell all their investments and buy gold, but is this a permanent solution? Bitcoin has reached this price gradually, when Bitcoin was in a bear market for a long time, many people sold Bitcoin, but even at that time, those who were patient and did not sell are now getting a good amount of profit. In this case, we can give an example of 2020, in 2020 we only saw a bear in the Bitcoin market and most experts suspected that the possibility of a bull run in the market was very low, but in the end, to our surprise, the market reached a bull run and got enough wisdom.

Now, if we look at the price of gold, it is increasing every day, so if an investor thinks that he sells Bitcoin and buys gold and after a few days, if Bitcoin goes to 200k or above, then these investors will regret it.

So I think we should keep the remaining amount of money as an investment in Bitcoin, leaving gold for use.
Short time, or even impulsive re-balancing never worked out for me with Bitcoin.
I always watched King Daddy going ahead of the other assets, medium and long term.
Once i got this, and it didn't even take a year, i only bought and held Bitcoin, never looked back, no Regrets.

Just my two cents.

It is hard to believe why anyone investing into bitcoin for more than a year would have had regrets for investing in bitcoin rather than gold.

Bitcoin has kicked the shit out of bitcoin for the past several years, and yeah, maybe looking at some shorter timeframes, you might imagine gold out performing bitcoin, but it still seems like a distraction, even if "technically" there are ways to show that gold out performed bitcoin on a few different time slots.

By the way, anyone holding $50k or more of either gold and/or bitcoin and who is wanting to move it around, guess which one is easier to move?  Guess which one is more divisible, the most scarce, easiest to verify its veracity or not needing to use a third party intermediary.  Even more true if you might have $1 million or more in one or the other.

I would have 960 coins left. I am 68. No kids  and a very  good wife.
I can simply spend 30 coins a year until I am 100

Or 40 coins a year till I am 92
Or 20 coins a year till I am 114.

That first move of selling those coins and setting up places to live with some hard assets is just that.
BTW cashing 20 coins for 1 years expenses is far move than I would ever need to do.
or spend 900 cornz on a medbed now for you and your wife. live forever.

then have 60 cornz left to invest like your favorite bot, JJG, formulas in his various posts. that will last forever laura. matter of fact bet you that JJG will bet you something before long(ish)

maybe?
maybe?

I am itching to bet. 

Especially when guys are making outrageous claims.

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Don’t think bearishness is negativity. A lot of the OGs have been around a few cycles and know what comes next. Like I’ve said, there’s a good chance we go higher before the end of the year, but it is a near certainty that Bitcoin will be selling for cheaper in 18 months. Buy if you want, but don’t shrug off the warnings as negativity.

Wow!!

That proposition, with that level of confidence, is almost bettable.  Today's price versus the BTC price 18 months from now. 

Which is lower? 

Do I get odds, or would we be doing a 50/50 bet?  Your level of confidence (OgNasty) causes me to believe that you think that the odds are pretty high that BTC prices will be lower 18 months from now.  Put some money on it.. just for fun.

Stack is growing via btc mining.

dca and hodl
buy the dip and hodl

maybe 1 day I will have 2x 0.63 coins

That is how it works Phil.

Brand new guys might have to start out with goals of 1million, 10 million and/or 21 million satoshis, yet other guys who have been in bitcoin for a while can shoot for higher accumulation goals.

Bessent is a "player"...
Wham...selling a tiny bit of gold and buying bitcoin...

--good numbers--

This is not a real prediction.

Even less so if gold has to be physically delivered  Tongue
Nice thought, though.

Nobody owns physical gold.  They just fantasize about owning actual gold while they are really holding their various paper claims. 

They would not know a $100k piece of gold if it were to fall on their foot (or if it were to be strategically placed in other convenient bodily places if it were to be attempted to be covertly (privately) transported across borders..

Bitcoin vs gold. While the trend is in Bitcoin's favor we are still below the 2021 peak, more than 4 years ago. We need a solid break into the 40 ounce area but we are far from it. Bitcoin has been under performing gold for sometime now.

I should add, this shows that Bitcoin is undervalued right now. If we do go down it is not because the price is in a bubble, it is the opposite right now.

Yeah, but.  the more you zoom out, the worse it looks for "the case for gold"

This chart merely shows the last 5 years, but you can zoom out further (by clicking on the link and playing with the chart)... especially for those of us who had established our bitcoin position more than 5 years ago.



https://www.longtermtrends.net/bitcoin-vs-gold/
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5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
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What if the real bull run was the friends we made along the way?

I’m in it for the tech any way Wink
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5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
I see gold as the ultimate hedge against monetary inflation: nothing more, nothing less. In the very long run, I'd expect Bitcoin to keep up with inflation: it simply can't keep going up in value indefinitely. But I must say I'm surprised to see Bitcoin more or less reached that point (against gold) for the past 5 years now. I'd say it's far too early for this, and I still expect Bitcoin to outperform gold for many years to come.
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Jojo69-level meme right there.
I miss his wordless contributions quite a bit, almost as much as Bob' rusty pipe threats to the trollz Grin

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I'm coming up with a funny suggestion for a new poll, finally:

1. This cycle is over
2. The earth is flat
3. Bitcoin doesn't care

infofront?  Kiss #nohomoandstuff
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Jojo69-level meme right there.
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1. This cycle is over
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3. Bitcoin doesn't care

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The cycle is not over yet Wink and Bitcoin cares about us!
The problem lies in the hands of those that like using their greed to milk the market.
The Earth is flattened and never spherical like the old lies we were taught at elementary.
Traders cry beneath their charts and walk to the net to shout for huge winnings(camouflaging candlesticks pattern) 
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5 years is a long time Jay, and being we're talking about the lackluster performance of Bitcoin this cycle, going back even further just proves the point more.
I see gold as the ultimate hedge against monetary inflation: nothing more, nothing less. In the very long run, I'd expect Bitcoin to keep up with inflation: it simply can't keep going up in value indefinitely. But I must say I'm surprised to see Bitcoin more or less reached that point (against gold) for the past 5 years now. I'd say it's far too early for this, and I still expect Bitcoin to outperform gold for many years to come.

gold has had long sideways time periods.

1992 to 2003 it stayed in a 200-400 dollar slot.

so it sucked for inflation then.

in 2004 it left the slot for good got up to 455
in 2005 it topped at   540
in 2006 it topped at   720
in 2007 it topped at   840
in 2008 it topped at 1020
in 2009 it topped at 1220
in 2010 it topped at 1430
in 2011 it topped at 1930
in 2012 it topped at 1790
in 2013 it topped at 1690
in 2014 it topped at 1390
in 2015 it topped at 1310
in 2016 it topped at 1370
in 2017 it topped at 1360
in 2018 it topped at 1370
in 2019 it topped at 1550

in 2020 it topped at 2067
in 2021 it topped at 1970
in 2022 it topped at 2060
in 2023 it topped at 2120
in 2024 it topped at 2800

so you had the 1992 to 2003 sideways slot
and the 2011 to 2019 sideways slot for gold
and the 2020 to 2023 sideways slot

gold has sideways slots  at least in 1992 to 2024 3 slots sideways that were about 26 years in 33 years time

it does have uppity

but 2021 to 2025 is 2067 top to 4200 top
and btc is 69k to 126k

but  top to top in
2022 is
2060 to      4200 gold this is 2.03 to 1
50000 to 126000 btc  this is 2.52 to 1

and in 2023-2025
2120 to 4200 for gold
44080 to 126000 for btc

so btc wins that

btc loses the 2024-2025 set so far

2800 to 4200 for gold
106000 to 126000 for btc





it will likely happen again that gold has a few better time slots then btc.

but right now it pays to produce more gold which will start to mean more supply.

and btc do not do that shit.
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What if the real bull run was the friends we made along the way?

I’m in it for the tech any way Wink

i really was into btc at least partly for the (physical) tech; i have tinnitus and the sound fans make (white noise) is great for masking it. and GPUs under load were pretty good white noise generators lol

that white noise was the sound of bitcoin changing history

not bad for a hobby
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dca and hodl
buy the dip and hodl

maybe 1 day I will have 2x 0.63 coins
I'm surprised you use DCA for Bitcoin holdings.

Selling copper to purchase Bitcoin can be one of the smartest way to gather enough Bitcoin through DCA!

I would like to unlearn the old greedy ways of Bitcoin accumulation and stick to the DCA strategy.

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They want your bitcoin.
The big dog game is different...
Than the one we've played.
Big investors have the power of money...but Bitcoiners are ahead in the psychology game.
Also Governments are too late to make decisions.
It's 2025. It is no longer possible to break holders by creating an official panic.
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