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July 22, 2014, 09:21:00 PM

I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?
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I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?

link or it didn't happen
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July 22, 2014, 09:22:36 PM

Ha! Try using any ultra-capitalist third-world country instead of East Germany, and you will reach the opposite conclusion...

yeah, you could say the same thing about capitalism.. socialism is not great, but people act like it's the devil and capitalism is perfect.

Any form of government "breeds" sociopaths. The word breeds is a little misplaced. The fact is, sociopaths are created in time of distress in childhood. The more peaceful your childhood is, the less likely you will become inflicted.

Where sociopaths do the most harm in society, is when they are in power. If you centralize power in the form of a government, you will unwittingly draw the sociopaths to positions in said government. The best liars make the best politicians.

It is much easier to deal with sociopaths when they don't control armed forces.
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July 22, 2014, 09:25:35 PM

I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?

link or it didn't happen



here you go:


Bids on Stamp look healthy. 1000 BTC to 620$ ; 3000 BTC to 610$. Ready to lift off. We also have a very similar fractal compared with the 430$ breakout.


TO THE MOON

is this a Fonzie I see before me? Smiley

It´s even worse. I used snakesoil sale tactics to lure in 3 friends of mine to invest altogether 45k$ into the BTC scheme in the the last 2 weeks.
I´m bullish as fuck( and of course ALL IN)!!!  Cool  Smiley
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July 22, 2014, 09:26:58 PM

I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?

link or it didn't happen


And https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705229.0
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July 22, 2014, 09:30:19 PM

Is Fonie still alive sorry I mean, still posting? god another mystery.
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July 22, 2014, 09:32:36 PM

I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?

link or it didn't happen


And https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705229.0

Today, is a very special day...
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July 22, 2014, 09:38:40 PM

I just came to the Speculation forum and found a thread where fonzie supposedly stated something bullish!!! What happened? Did hell freeze over?

link or it didn't happen


And https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705229.0

Today, is a very special day...

But it's very very confusing! Could this really be the moment bitcoin jumped the shark? Fonzie turning bullish!? Gotta mark that day in my calender!
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July 22, 2014, 09:42:02 PM

Bears are idiots.  It is clear we broke the downtrend - you cannot just redraw a a downtrend line to match today's price  Roll Eyes

Wow, you sir are the perfect example why old time bitcoiners don´t want to contribute to this forum anymore.

<suspect analysis snipped>

I personally would not spend 600 USD on a bitcoin.I believe that it is highly overvalued at this price and everyone paying this amount of money is out of his mind. I still have enough to make a good living, but I will rather sell some than buy...



You could be right and the price may well move down from here. But there is a good probability you are wrong and it will move up instead, we will need you and other bears to frantically buy up coins as the price rises past 700.

Incidentally old time bitcoiners are likely to be filthy rich and quite possibly have far more interesting things speculate in this forum!
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July 22, 2014, 09:50:11 PM

There was once a troll named Fonzie
of which no one was very fond see..
Because every word he spoke, was a terrible joke
and everywhere he looked there waz a ponzi.

There once was a troll named Fonzi..
a little little fish in a big pond see.
Because every meme played, seemed trite and homemade
not the sharpest knife in the box he.

There once was a troll named Fonz
took his name, from Happy Days long gonz
but to all of our despair and with no class or flair
The Fonz liked to share share share share

Has anyone seen dear Fonzie ?
No!
Not I! Not me!
Not us!  
I see!

Excuse me mr Columbo but maybe he is dead?
" but for a troll he seemed really well fed?"
Perhaphs he fell somewhere and banged his stupid head…
Ok Bitcoiners fair enough, that was well said…
but, oh ,ah ,one more question before I go blondie.
Maybe he drowned whilst swimming in the pondie?

Ok ok you got me !  I confess, I really have to get it off my chest
what happened to the dear old lamented Al Fonzi.

He was a float, when I threw him from the boat
but with my boot to his head
I kept him down till he was dead
and now there is no more ol Fonzi.

You see there is no bubble down there I  screamed and cried
and then slowly, thankfuly Fonzie died.

So…..

There once was a troll named Fonzie
but now we can hear him no more
Maybe a note
or the odd quote..
despite your f'kin ignore

Once long ago there was a troll named Fonz
or maybe it was Al-fonso, or Al Fonzie
I cannot remember ,or quite care...
just a mere flash of memory as I stare
at the Bitcoin price up in the sky
Now Proudon... what a guy...

...and now… well….really what can I say?

I guess in the words of the real Fonzie "Hey hey hey"

Where shall we go a sailing today?
 
(lets catcha train instead- I faintly heard the ghost of Fonzie say!
" apparanty there is a CCMF due any day"
I rested a Bitcoin, in with his corpse and nailed the lid shut and chucked it off my yacht and had a party. the end.
  
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That is because you don´t have any counterpoints.... This is laughable
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1 - pfft
2 - Who are these "lot" of people that knew? that "bought the rumor" and where was their buying? or price spike up from this? (even a small one) and where is the corrosponding dump ? of the sell the news ? price has been stable since news came out...
3 - Do you not consider that volume might actually increase? and then what happens with this theory/problem
4- I think just as many people know the price as knew about Dell accepting BTC - and really we know it was above market value- and that Tim won all lots- that says plenty- and does it look like Tim D is about to sell his coins to realise this "great profit"?
5-  And so what if there is demand- to date demand has not fallen compared to supply - the DPR coins are already part of the coins in circulation- even if they are not currently "out in the market place" it is just as if they are in cold storage - and also so what ? did you see what happened with the last auction?
6- I am bullish about more and more and more merchants accepting Bitcoin , rather than on just one- it is a stage BTC must go through to continue down the path to glory - and it is doing so- how else can we get btc to uniquity without getting more and more merchants onboard? and give it some bloody time.
7- Nice anecdote -please tell us more- do you know everyone on wall street ? and again  = time
8 - The components that make up an I-phone are actually decades old tech ! yup you heard me- it is just now that they are packaged into a "sleek and small" device in the way that they are - and at a price that is affordable- Iphone could have come to market 20 years ago if Jobs had his act together and if people were willing to pay $100,000 for each one- and it be the size of half a brick- the only thing that has changed really is the cost and size- the tech was there already or in advanced stages of being developed decades ago - or was in one form or another already in the market place- it is old tech- repackaged and shrunk - to be accurate. Compared to the blockchain/BTC protocol which is not an old tech.

Also you seem angry - what is that about?




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First of all, I am not angry at all. Not sure why you got this impression. But thank you for taking the time to challenge my opinion. This is what I was looking for !!! Unfortunately I can not claim to be right in all circumstances. who is ?

1. Either you believe or not believe. I like charts you don´t. Fine by me
2. I was quoting an old time market saying. As I said, the market should have sky-rocketed, but it did not. Clearly a signal that there are people who knew more and took positions. Bitcoin is still unregulated. Bitcoin is a perfect underlying to play insider information without going to jail for it....
3. Surely, volume might increase, still this amount of coins will cap the short to mid term performance of bitcoin, if not even crash it. People pay 50% interest p.a. for those positions. They will not pay that for long if there is no reasonable performance soon.
4. Not too sure who Tim is, but it if he paid more than USD 600 he made a bad deal. Maybe you know him better or know more about the auction price. Can you educate me ?
5. see point 4. Still too many coins coming to the market. Including the 3600 daily mined coins. It is all about demand. But looking at exchange volume, there is not much of it....
6. More merchants is good for early adopters. I doubt that anyone who wants to buy a Dell computer will buy a bitcoin to do so. Too many people "stick" to their coins. Once they finally got one, they are not going to spend it....  My precious !!
7. I am in Europe... very difficult to know everyone there. But if you like anecdotes, I got one for you. I was advising major European Banks and Hedgefunds already in 2012 about Bitcoin. Believe it or leave it, I am not going to say more. There are a few people here who know me personally... You cannot win this one.
8. I guess this is a point we will never agree on and I stand to my point. Bitcoin is not new ! It is from 2009.


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July 22, 2014, 09:56:48 PM

Bears are idiots.  It is clear we broke the downtrend - you cannot just redraw a a downtrend line to match today's price  Roll Eyes

Wow, you sir are the perfect example why old time bitcoiners don´t want to contribute to this forum anymore.

<suspect analysis snipped>

I personally would not spend 600 USD on a bitcoin.I believe that it is highly overvalued at this price and everyone paying this amount of money is out of his mind. I still have enough to make a good living, but I will rather sell some than buy...



You could be right and the price may well move down from here. But there is a good probability you are wrong and it will move up instead, we will need you and other bears to frantically buy up coins as the price rises past 700.

Incidentally old time bitcoiners are likely to be filthy rich and quite possibly have far more interesting things speculate in this forum!

I wish I had a crystal ball and know what will be happening. There is a good probability that I am wrong, but I am always waging the odds and in my view we are rather going down. The thing is, I do not need Bitcoins, and the majority of people neither. They are still a speculative object.

You are right, they probably have other things to do :-) Still there are some which are still active. :-)
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Ha! Try using any ultra-capitalist third-world country instead of East Germany, and you will reach the opposite conclusion...

yeah, you could say the same thing about capitalism.. socialism is not great, but people act like it's the devil and capitalism is perfect.

socialism is evil. capitalism is not perfect.



anyho, screw politics and centralization of power: gogo digital anarchy Cheesy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10881213/The-coming-digital-anarchy.html
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What exactly do you define as 'ultra-capitalist'?  Could you name a few such countries, just so I understand what you mean here?
Mine, for example.  A little bit less now than 20 years ago perhaps, but still much more plutocratic than the US.
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That is because you don´t have any counterpoints.... This is laughable

1 - pfft
2 - Who are these "lot" of people that knew? that "bought the rumor" and where was their buying? or price spike up from this? (even a small one) and where is the corrosponding dump ? of the sell the news ? price has been stable since news came out...
3 - Do you not consider that volume might actually increase? and then what happens with this theory/problem
4- I think just as many people know the price as knew about Dell accepting BTC - and really we know it was above market value- and that Tim won all lots- that says plenty- and does it look like Tim D is about to sell his coins to realise this "great profit"?
5-  And so what if there is demand- to date demand has not fallen compared to supply - the DPR coins are already part of the coins in circulation- even if they are not currently "out in the market place" it is just as if they are in cold storage - and also so what ? did you see what happened with the last auction?
6- I am bullish about more and more and more merchants accepting Bitcoin , rather than on just one- it is a stage BTC must go through to continue down the path to glory - and it is doing so- how else can we get btc to uniquity without getting more and more merchants onboard? and give it some bloody time.
7- Nice anecdote -please tell us more- do you know everyone on wall street ? and again  = time
8 - The components that make up an I-phone are actually decades old tech ! yup you heard me- it is just now that they are packaged into a "sleek and small" device in the way that they are - and at a price that is affordable- Iphone could have come to market 20 years ago if Jobs had his act together and if people were willing to pay $100,000 for each one- and it be the size of half a brick- the only thing that has changed really is the cost and size- the tech was there already or in advanced stages of being developed decades ago - or was in one form or another already in the market place- it is old tech- repackaged and shrunk - to be accurate. Compared to the blockchain/BTC protocol which is not an old tech.

Also you seem angry - what is that about?




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First of all, I am not angry at all. Not sure why you got this impression. But thank you for taking the time to challenge my opinion. This is what I was looking for !!! Unfortunately I can not claim to be right in all circumstances. who is ?

1. Either you believe or not believe. I like charts you don´t. Fine by me- No I like charts A LOT- I just did not like that chart or see it as your argument.
2. I was quoting an old time market saying. As I said, the market should have sky-rocketed, but it did not. Clearly a signal that there are people who knew more and took positions. Bitcoin is still unregulated. Bitcoin is a perfect underlying to play insider information without going to jail for it....But these people - where is their "selling of  the rumor then?" basically you are just staing a guess and it does not even sound slike a solid one. And of course I know the old saying - I used to work for various banks at various levels, ainly offshore and private equity surrounded by traders and speculators.
 3. Surely, volume might increase, still this amount of coins will cap the short to mid term performance of bitcoin, if not even crash it. People pay 50% interest p.a. for those positions. They will not pay that for long if there is no reasonable performance soon. - Maybe volue will increase and ncrease at a vast rate? maybe not and those people will default ?
4. Not too sure who Tim is, but it if he paid more than USD 600 he made a bad deal. Maybe you know him better or know more about the auction price. Can you educate me ? I do not know tim, one person I have not met - he paid the deal - for him a good deal obviously, not the kind of thing you fall accidently into ...
5. see point 4. Still too many coins coming to the market. Including the 3600 daily mined coins. It is all about demand. But looking at exchange volume, there is not much of it.... too many coins- only if the volume stays static - I will hazard a quess- it wil not.
6. More merchants is good for early adopters. I doubt that anyone who wants to buy a Dell computer will buy a bitcoin to do so. Too many people "stick" to their coins. Once they finally got one, they are not going to spend it....  My precious !! You miss my point I do not giv e dam about Dell- I give a dam about Dell+Overstock+Ebay+ Aazon+Tesos+etc etc you get my point I care about merchant adoption growing overall and the good thing from it is not so early sellers can sell there coin, but it is building the ecosystem and n that are merchants involved- it is growing.. right? that is what I care about- and sprinkle a little bit of time and the list will grow and mechant adoption is ONE of the KEY eliments in this part of its growth  indeed a needed part- in my view we are 1 year ahead of schedule at this point in terms of merchant adoption- next year end of- then lets have a recap.
7. I am in Europe... very difficult to know everyone there. But if you like anecdotes, I got one for you. I was advising major European Banks and Hedgefunds already in 2012 about Bitcoin. Believe it or leave it, I am not going to say more. There are a few people here who know me personally... You cannot win this one. - fair play but you do not know them all is my point- you know some.. and some will think in one way and others another.
8. I guess this is a point we will never agree on and I stand to my point. Bitcoin is not new ! It is from 2009.  Right an iphone Apple phone is essentially from 1990 and older tech - there are compenents - key ones that exsisted even before then - the military do not just blow stuff up you know- you could even argue that they are repsonsible in a large way for or all of the R&D that led to soe of the ore interesting compenents that make up and iphone. The technology that enabled gps,touch screens, voice activation and transmission and etc etc etc etc etc (list would be long) is all decades long tech - sure it was bundeld into marketable package, once and only once that had sourced the orignial components from te original R&D/owners (certainly some from MOD) and then made it, but only once it was cheap enough to mass manufacture, at a cost that could be possible in the market (we certainly COULD have had a "2009" iPhone in 1990 already ,but the tech would have cost $50,000-$100,000 each, nothing to disagree with really...  BTC is 5 years old-in terms of tech which not new to you if you helped develop the protocol/tech or to anyone in the field maybe - but the actual" product"  BTC at 5 years old is relatively new.. is (it is a toddler)

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Ha! Try using any ultra-capitalist third-world country instead of East Germany, and you will reach the opposite conclusion...

yeah, you could say the same thing about capitalism.. socialism is not great, but people act like it's the devil and capitalism is perfect.

socialism is evil. capitalism is not perfect.

http://rexcurry.net/socialism-red-flags-socialists1b.jpg

& i'm all in for digital anarchy Cheesy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10881213/The-coming-digital-anarchy.html

capitalism is as evil or worst than socialism, it is the pure slavery it is the real pyramid... stop being delusional.
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Wow!  That was an exciting day!  I hope tomorrow bitcoin Hi/Lo range is 7 entire dollars again!

Updates:
-The paint is still a bit sticky in the corners
-The grass grew 1.2mm today in the garden
-The layer of dust on top of the computer display is .1 microns thicker than yesterday
-31 people walked down the street outside my house today, 2 more than yesterday
I can't take this much excitement!!1!11!


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Ha! Try using any ultra-capitalist third-world country instead of East Germany, and you will reach the opposite conclusion...

yeah, you could say the same thing about capitalism.. socialism is not great, but people act like it's the devil and capitalism is perfect.

socialism is evil. capitalism is not perfect.



& i'm all in for digital anarchy Cheesy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10881213/The-coming-digital-anarchy.html
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capitalism is as evil or worst than socialism, it is the pure slavery it is the real pyramid... stop being delusional.

Smith, Proudhon and Marx understood something about how property inevitably leads to the slave pyramid, no need to move backwards, we tested everything and its failed, the next step is forwards.
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