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August 13, 2014, 08:42:22 PM

So I've been away since yesterday... Was there a triggering event to this drop, or no? Some news or rumor maybe?

nothing I'm aware of.

200 day MA was broken. technical configurations being exploited by people wanting a lower price, I guess.
 
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August 13, 2014, 08:42:57 PM

Fonz/s, I need your expert analysis on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723392.0

Haven't used bitstamp before, only Kraken. Sorry can't be of much assistance.
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August 13, 2014, 08:46:00 PM

So I've been away since yesterday... Was there a triggering event to this drop, or no? Some news or rumor maybe?

nothing I'm aware of.

200 day MA was broken. technical configurations being exploited by people wanting a lower price, I guess.
 
There are ways to throw away money that are more fun than dumping bitcoins at a loss.
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August 13, 2014, 08:49:15 PM

So I've been away since yesterday... Was there a triggering event to this drop, or no? Some news or rumor maybe?

nothing I'm aware of.

200 day MA was broken. technical configurations being exploited by people wanting a lower price, I guess.

My thoughts as well.  I hope we are right.
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August 13, 2014, 08:49:16 PM

Fonz/s, I need your expert analysis on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723392.0

We both know what this means, i have already prepared a detailed essay about this topic but i won´t release it before the time (market price/sentiment) is right. Such rare gems have to be treated carefully. Qualitative real FUD (aka Facts u....) is not easy to be found nowadays.
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August 13, 2014, 08:50:05 PM

So I've been away since yesterday... Was there a triggering event to this drop, or no? Some news or rumor maybe?

Purely market sentiment.  Everyone was talking about 550, 530, and 480, not about going higher.  All forums I read are very bearish.  You are mocked and downvoted on /r/bitcoinmarkets for saying anything positive.  Suddenly, bitcoin is an idiotic idea that will never catch on.

Or maybe everyone was just bored with sideways.
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August 13, 2014, 08:59:40 PM


Explanation
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August 13, 2014, 09:05:17 PM

should i buy btc now and wait for price to go up?

You should do whatever makes you feel good, but you should NOT listen to the idiots on this forum.

@fonsie
You´re sounding desperate lately? Here is some classical philosophical advice which you might find helpful:

Better cut loose
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August 13, 2014, 09:05:37 PM

Thanks for the update guys.
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August 13, 2014, 09:06:07 PM

Nice bear pennant incoming, better sell now.

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August 13, 2014, 09:07:56 PM

I usually trade these wild swings, but i can honestly say i have no fucking idea which way its going. My general rule of thumb is when im confused, stay put and do nothing. Im a spectator for now. If we break 520, think i'll be selling.
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August 13, 2014, 09:08:46 PM

should i buy btc now and wait for price to go up?

You should do whatever makes you feel good, but you should NOT listen to the idiots on this forum.

@fonsie
You´re sounding desperate lately? Here is some classical philosophical advice which you might find helpful:

Better cut loose

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August 13, 2014, 09:12:32 PM

I usually trade these wild swings, but i can honestly say i have no fucking idea which way its going. My general rule of thumb is when im confused, stay put and do nothing. Im a spectator for now. If we break 520, think i'll be selling.

Don't fight the tape. That's a hard lesson that I've learned this year playing the bitcoin game. We might have a short burst up, but it will fall again. We're deep in bear territory now and we're not even at the "blood in the streets" phase yet.
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August 13, 2014, 09:18:32 PM

I have this overwhelming feeling that we are going to be at 440 before long.

I hope I am wrong  Angry
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August 13, 2014, 09:19:08 PM

Fonz/s, I need your expert analysis on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723392.0

We both know what this means, i have already prepared a detailed essay about this topic but i won´t release it before the time (market price/sentiment) is right. Such rare gems have to be treated carefully. Qualitative real FUD (aka Facts u....) is not easy to be found nowadays.

Will your essay address the impact on popular payment processors, such as bitpay and coinbase?
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August 13, 2014, 09:19:54 PM

...We're deep in bear territory now and we're not even at the "blood in the streets" phase yet.

Can you imagine how these forums will look when we'll reach the "blood in the streets" phase?
It's a couple of months away, and then almost everyone posting will be ashamed to admit holding bitcoins. Cheesy
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August 13, 2014, 09:21:17 PM

...We're deep in bear territory now and we're not even at the "blood in the streets" phase yet.

Can you imagine how these forums will look when we'll reach the "blood in the streets" phase?
It's a couple of months away, and then almost everyone posting will be ashamed to admit holding bitcoins. Cheesy

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 Cool

I lol'd. Good one  Cheesy
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August 13, 2014, 09:23:07 PM

Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.
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August 13, 2014, 09:23:25 PM

Thanks!  Well, between the authors of that study, who saw no arbitrage opportuities, and those two traders, who made piles of money with arbitrage, I would rather trust the latter.  Don't know why, just a hunch.  Wink

By the way, the flaw noted by the critics -- that the study only looked at closing prices every 24 hours -- is also present in the paper from a Czech (?) author that was cited here a while ago,  that "proved"  that China dit not lead the price changes.  That paper did not specify the time resolution of its data; but since it was downloaded from Bitcoincharts.com, it could not be less than 1 minute, and probably was more than that.

As those two traders note, arbitrage between bitcoin exchanges is quite fast: it usually propagates large moves in less than one minute.  (Smaller moves may not propagate at all, and trend reversals may be delayed by the spread.) So it is not surprising that he could not detect a clear leader from that data...

Another problem with both the Czech article and the bank report is that they omitted Huobi and OKCoin, using instead BTC-China as representative of the "Chinese" market.  But, if (as I believe) the November bubble was due to the adoption of bitcoin by the Mainland Chinese speculators, then BTC-China was more likely to be one of the followers, rather than the leader.  Moreover, after last December BTC-China became a very minor player in the Chinese market.  

Because of their no-fee policy, OKCoin and Huobi usually have very narrow spreads, and track each other very closely (often les than 0.50 USD apart), down to the smallest bumps and dips, except for very short fast spikes.  That can only be due to very efficient arbitrage between them, possibly by the exchange owners themselves.

From all I have seen, I still believe that Huobi and OKCoin are the market leaders, who have been defining the BTC price, since last November; and that the other exchanges mostly follow them through arbitrage.
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