Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[cbeast]

popcorn

[octaft]

No mate. They don't have to convince consumers. That's the point. They'll never know their money is being sent using the bitcoin network just like people don't know anything about http works when they're surfing the web now. To the consumer, the infrastructure and methodology they use will be the same as it is now. There's no leap of faith they have to make.

https://stripe.com/blog/bitcoin-the-stripe-perspective

I don't really see a whole lot in there that explains why bitcoin will be so much better for your average consumer than credit cards.

Remittances for less than 1% cost as opposed to 10-15%. Not better? Really?

As far as I can tell, nowhere in that link is that mentioned.

It doesn't have to be. That's what it costs now. In a bitcoin-backed payments system there are tiny barriers to entry into the global remittances industry. A company providing payments services has hardly any costs. Competition will ensure wafer thin margins.

So I say there's not a whole lot in there that explains, and your defense of it is to say something that isn't in there? 

[cbeast]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

[Dotto]

Stop worrying about the freedom of other people, just become free yourselves. You cannot change anything, so stop worrying. Stop trying to convince other people your method or theory of government will work for them, just disentangle yourself from the system you dislike and become free.

That´s the spirit  

[NotLambchop]

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USA used to be a minimal state.

USA was never an Anarcho-capitalist state.  Small government is fine, no government = unsustainable, quickly evolving a government or falling under an existing one [pwnge].

[marcelus]

No mate. They don't have to convince consumers. That's the point. They'll never know their money is being sent using the bitcoin network just like people don't know anything about http works when they're surfing the web now. To the consumer, the infrastructure and methodology they use will be the same as it is now. There's no leap of faith they have to make.

https://stripe.com/blog/bitcoin-the-stripe-perspective

I don't really see a whole lot in there that explains why bitcoin will be so much better for your average consumer than credit cards.

Remittances for less than 1% cost as opposed to 10-15%. Not better? Really?

As far as I can tell, nowhere in that link is that mentioned.

It doesn't have to be. That's what it costs now. In a bitcoin-backed payments system there are tiny barriers to entry into the global remittances industry. A company providing payments services has hardly any costs. Competition will ensure wafer thin margins.

So I say there's not a whole lot in there that explains, and your defense of it is to say something that isn't in there? 

It's implicit These processors don't have a fraction of the costs they would have in the current system. Capital-based barriers to entry are almost non-existent. Anyone who meets AML/KYC and other regulatory rules can become a processor. Of course fees will tumble. I'm hardly engaging in fantasy here am I? It's common sense to me.

[mmitech]

this is why states and borders exist, and some kind of enforced regulation has to exist so people can live with each other.

Here's the problem - you're confusing yourself for humanity. That's called projection.
Maybe you need enforced regulations in order to get along with other people. If so, that's a personal problem you should discuss with a competent psychotherapist.

Yea, I have/had major issues getting along with people who have different visions and different life style that I didn't/don't agree with. thanks to the regulations that exists in my home country (Algeria) and here in EU I could still live with them, in other words I lived the CHAOS first hand between 1991-2000, so try to live in a system where having an Islamic orthodox fucking you up and slaughtering everyone against his vision then tell me how to get people to agree on something in a free of regulations state/world where you have many demographics, because you don't know shit about that, I lived it first hand.
Some of you have no fucking idea what freedom means, freedom is necessary but total freedom is CHAOS, regulations are meant for a reason... take Syria for example, watch how a lack of a government worked for these people.... take Iraq for another example, a total CHAOS, a government that cant do shit about losing territory to a terrorist organization that calls it self a state...
I would love to watch how your technological distributed libertarian state will work...

Minimal state would do for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism

their only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions. Such states are generally called night-watchman states.

USA used to be a minimal state.

you start with that and you end up with what we have today, because then you keep adding, for example education, health care.... the systems that we have today didnt just appear in one night, they are the outcome of development of centuries.

Yes, I also agree about changing some corrupt governments and improving things, but I don't think a free libertarian state is any kind of a help, in fact I think it will just make things worst.

[superresistant]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

European war of religion anyone ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

...
USA used to be a minimal state.

USA was never an Anarcho-capitalist state.  Small government is fine, no government = unsustainable, quickly evolving a government or falling under an existing one [pwnge].

A small government (minimal state) is what is needed before trying anything anarcho-something.
I am for a minimal state as defined as Minarchism.

When most governments will be minimal, we'll see what we can do.

you start with that and you end up with what we have today, because then you keep adding, for example education, health care.... the systems that we have today didnt just appear in one night, they are the outcome of development of centuries.
Yes, I also agree about changing some corrupt governments and improving things, but I don't think a free libertarian state is any kind of a help, in fact I think it will just make things worst.

This is what we must fight. This is the perversion.
You don't get anything by being passive and submissive.
We must fight against corrupted obese government by shutting down the infinite free money generator : the banking system.

No social care bulshit is possible without the ability to print money !

[mmitech]

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No mate. They don't have to convince consumers. That's the point. They'll never know their money is being sent using the bitcoin network just like people don't know anything about http works when they're surfing the web now. To the consumer, the infrastructure and methodology they use will be the same as it is now. There's no leap of faith they have to make.

https://stripe.com/blog/bitcoin-the-stripe-perspective

mmm, that sounds like ripple more or less.

[Richy_T]

Minimal state would do for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minarchism

their only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions. Such states are generally called night-watchman states.

USA used to be a minimal state.

Quite frankly, I'd be happy if we could just *start* turning things back in the opposite direction. We can discuss what exactly are the appropriate levels of taxation and control but that is by-the-by. The issue is that such discussion is irrelevant. They have been increasing and there is no end in sight. Those driving this just keep acquiring more and more power.

[NotLambchop]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

We have provided alternative religions to placate and suppress rebellious earthlings elsewhere.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

[Richy_T]

you start with that and you end up with what we have today, because then you keep adding, for example education, health care.... the systems that we have today didnt just appear in one night, they are the outcome of development of centuries.

Yes, there was no education or healthcare before governments took it upon themselves to provide it. 

[justusranvier]

you start with that and you end up with what we have today, because then you keep adding, for example education, health care.... the systems that we have today didnt just appear in one night, they are the outcome of development of centuries.

Yes, I also agree about changing some corrupt governments and improving things, but I don't think a free libertarian state is any kind of a help, in fact I think it will just make things worst.

You're exactly right. The US empire is the direct result of minarchism.

Cancer treatments has to kill every single cancerous cell, because if even one cell remains it will form a new tumor.

The only solution is to give up on the addition to the state entirely. Cold turkey.

This has happened before - slavery was a near-universal human institution right up until it was rejected for moral reasons. Then we learned how to live without it.

[cbeast]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

We have provided alternative religions to placate and suppress rebellious earthlings elsewhere.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

Yes, but that was before the Reptilians and you know it scale breath.

[mmitech]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

Because religion in it self was the only way to govern people, sadly the old ages and nowadays are not that different, people still rely so much on religion and this is one of the biggest problems we face today.

[NotLambchop]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

European war of religion anyone ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

...
USA used to be a minimal state.

USA was never an Anarcho-capitalist state.  Small government is fine, no government = unsustainable, quickly evolving a government or falling under an existing one [pwnge].

A small government (minimal state) is what is needed before trying anything anarcho-something.
I am for a minimal state as defined as Minarchism.

When most governments will be minimal, we'll see what we can do.

You wish smaller governments, earthling?  Write letters to your local authorities and vote.  Run for office.  We're fine with that, as long as your flesh is tender



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

[Richy_T]

This has happened before - slavery was a near-universal human institution right up until it was rejected for moral reasons. Then we learned how to live without it.

Arguably, conventional slavery was on its way out anyway, morality or no. Though it still does exist in some places.

[superresistant]

A small government (minimal state) is what is needed before trying anything anarcho-something.
I am for a minimal state as defined as Minarchism.
When most governments will be minimal, we'll see what we can do.

You wish smaller governments, earthling?  Write letters to your local authorities and vote.  Run for office.  We're fine with that, as long as your flesh is tender

I know exactly what to do.

This is what we must fight. This is the perversion.
You don't get anything by being passive and submissive.
We must fight against corrupted obese government by shutting down the infinite free money generator : the banking system.

No social care bulshit is possible without the ability to print money !

No one will support strong obese government when the FIAT they use to corrupt people will be worth nothing.

[mmitech]

This has happened before - slavery was a near-universal human institution right up until it was rejected for moral reasons. Then we learned how to live without it.

Arguably, conventional slavery was on its way out anyway, morality or no. Though it still does exist in some places.

Well it still exist everywhere, when most have less chances for educations than the elites which result them to work for the rich 1% elites at a minimum wage job to barely survive. what do you call that ? I call it modern slavery.

and don't tell me it is not possible to have a better system, yes someone has to do that Job, I agree on that, but that one has to be fairly paid, take Switzerland as an example, I love their payment scheme. 

[NotLambchop]

Anarchism has never existed in Western Culture because Christianity.

We have provided alternative religions to placate and suppress rebellious earthlings elsewhere.

...
  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.

Yes, but that was before the Reptilians and you know it scale breath.

We is atemporal.  We "always" am.  You is [are/were/will be--temporal rubbish!] without understanding.
*Plurality is illusion.



  ~Your Beneficent Reptilian Overlords.