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December 12, 2014, 03:54:11 PM

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Mate, you're delusional.  This is all obvious stuff that's known to every 13yr-old, and the local lunatic fringe chooses to ignore 'coz it don't jive with their "I's techno vizhunary & guna b rich!" fantasies.

@inca:  I posted data regarding the way things are now.  Get back to me in 5 years, then we'll talk.


bitcoin is a developing technology .. don't let that thought hurt your brain as you think about it. meditate on it and you might grow some new grey matter .

Yeah btc isn't get rich quick, it takes patience and cunning.

Even when bitcoin jumped up to like $1200/btc, it still took it like 3-5 years to do that. That's a long time to wait.

But that wasn't just a simple increased . The price went from less than a cent, in the beginning to 1200$. Pretty big leap, even for 50 years.
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December 12, 2014, 03:56:48 PM

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Yeah btc isn't get rich quick, it takes patience and cunning.
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>Patience and cunning
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With all this big bear flags... I'm sorry but I can't be bullish about bitcoin price in the short/mid term. It is probably going to retest lower levels again.
Right now there is more downside potential than upside, unless an ETF hits the market.

I disagree that it has more downside than upside potential. I see a drop of $100 from here as a small chance of happening but $100 rise could happen at any point. However if your constantly watching charts and are ready to make a move when the market does then you can easily limit risks on both scenarios.

We just had something huge like Microsoft accepting bitcoin and all what happened is a $27 pump (Only $13 remaining at the moment). I don't think another $100 pump is easy at all.

This is just showing us how weak bitcoin price is right now.

Of course I will gladly go long if it starts rising with strength, but IMO that's really unlikely.

The price was manipulated more than 100 dollars higher last month because a suspected 3bn hedge fund was rumoured to be using one of the exchanges to trade so your point is clearly wrong.

Until a US exchange opens with decent depth this thin market volatility will continue. But ultimately demand will overrun even a few forex jokers with twenty thousand coins colluding the price up and down at will.

It was quite different, it was not magic or manipulation, at that moment bitcoin just breakout a longterm downtrend big resistance, so all the traders FOMOed.

Of course from China they helped to create more FOMO with that probably fake news, but anyway price was going up big time there.
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December 12, 2014, 03:58:45 PM

Bitcoin is useful whatever the price. Even if it goes back to 2 digits again, same usefulness for everybody.
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December 12, 2014, 04:00:43 PM


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December 12, 2014, 04:04:06 PM

Shorts are the highest they've been for a while on Finex. Longs have come down a bit but still a large amount of borrowed USD.
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We just had something huge like Microsoft accepting bitcoin and all what happened is a $27 pump (Only $13 remaining at the moment). I don't think another $100 pump is easy at all.

This is just showing us how weak bitcoin price is right now.

This is the wide spread mentality right now. Bitcoin tends to launch when you least expect it.

It is quite the opposite, almost everyone is waiting another big pump because of Microsoft news. All of those who bought in that last rally to get rich fast will start to dump all their coins if we don't have a big pump soon.

These people already sold.

The 70% fall came from somewhere, you knoe
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December 12, 2014, 04:12:20 PM

I feel like we need to wait for a killerapp/a significantly and easier better cryptocurrency before something can happen
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December 12, 2014, 04:13:36 PM

Name suggestions, if some volatility happens soonish.

We could call it:

"Micro bubble", due to rising public interest and legitimacy through Microsoft. or

"Soft crash", due to higher BTC sells via XboxOne christmas sales.
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December 12, 2014, 04:16:14 PM

Well at least I know what my next paycheck will be spent on. It would be nice if btc goes up instead though.

So if it goes up, will you still buy? of course not. We know you think that way, so we won't let it go up by much. Prolly just up enough to draw in the suckers.

BTW, I really don't care if it goes up or down. I have a huge pile of coins in cold storage and if the bottom doesn't get retested, then I actually make much more than I lose on my short. We got the people who don't know what they're doing by the balls and all the time in the world to wait for you to screw up so we can take your money.
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December 12, 2014, 04:21:20 PM

Name suggestions, if some volatility happens soonish.

We could call it:

"Micro bubble", due to rising public interest and legitimacy through Microsoft. or

"Soft crash", due to higher BTC sells via XboxOne christmas sales.

What about "The unsignificant event": north-american bitcoin holders can spend them to buy Xbox games
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December 12, 2014, 04:29:28 PM

I personally don't care about short term price volatility. I will pick up a handful of coins every month until we all know what will happen eventually occurs. If the price inexplicably crashes before we move higher I will buy a lot more coins (->cold storage) which for me is just rebalancing %'s in a portfolio.

I think in a few years this year will be viewed the same as the 2011 bubble high and bear market wanderings thereafter in 2012. Except this time the price is a lot higher and infrastructure, VC funding, utility and ease of obtaining the currency are massively higher than before. With the benefit of hindsight one can imagine it being as obvious a buy as google or amazon was a few years ago.

Intelligent people who understand the superior mathematical properties of bitcoin over conventional fiat are those who will continue to buy and store bitcoins speculatively. What is interesting is the next price surge and wave of adoption could come from an ETF and US investment funding, or it could come from the current demographics or even a younger cohort (say those born in the noughties who want to changetip or send money between each other or buy xbox or steam games)..

Exciting times to be accumulating bitcoin..
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December 12, 2014, 04:39:18 PM

Name suggestions, if some volatility happens soonish.

We could call it:

"Micro bubble", due to rising public interest and legitimacy through Microsoft. or

"Soft crash", due to higher BTC sells via XboxOne christmas sales.
The news of microsoft would hardly bring any changes to the price. Its just like Dell accepted bitcoin this year.
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December 12, 2014, 04:46:03 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?
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December 12, 2014, 04:48:18 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

Ripple consesus algo is faulty should be very careful
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December 12, 2014, 04:53:35 PM

1 Ripple = 0.0175 USD.

Is it worth spending a couple of hundred dollars on Ripple incase it explodes?

It already exploded, it is at around 3-4x since one month ago.
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December 12, 2014, 04:55:08 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.
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December 12, 2014, 04:56:05 PM

Ripple pump soon to be followed by the inevitable dump.

These pumpers & dumpers.

Ripple is dead.


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December 12, 2014, 05:00:44 PM


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December 12, 2014, 05:02:14 PM

bitcoin adoptoin is growing fast

We do not know that, really.

"Growing adoption" would be more people buying bitcoin for the purpose of paying for goods and services.  As has been pointed out many times, there is no reliable data on that parameter.

Numbers derived from blockchain traffic volume are not reliable, since most of the transactions there seems to be transfers between addresses owned by the same person, or other transfers unrelated to e-commerce. (IIRC, the 50'000 coins auctioned by USMS moved three times in a few days, another 50'000 moved twice, and the remaining 44'000 moved once.  That is almost 300'000 BTC = 105 million USD of blockchain traffic, none of it paying for goods or service.)

The few slightly reliable sources I have suggest that the dollar value of the payments processed by BitPay has been flat or declining in 2014.  I have no data on Coinbase and other processors.  The mere fact that they don't quote any numbers when talking to the media suggests that the numbers are not good.

As has been pointed out many times, almost all of the merchants that "accept bitcoin" do not accept bitcoin really, they accept dollars through BitPay or similar services.  So the number of dollar output channels (affiliated merchants) for BitPay seems to be growing, but we do not know anything about the number of bitcoin input channels (consumers) and the amount of dollars that flows through those channels.

We also have no idea of how many of those consumers bought their coins just to pay for something, and how many spent old coins that they had been holding for months or years.  And we have no idea of how much of that bought-to-pay traffic is new bitcoin adopters, and how much is the same people using bitcoin regularly.

I posted some weeks ago the number of blockchain *addresses* that hold at least 0.1 BTC.  Assuming that a bitcoin user has at least one such address, that number puts the number of users at 650'000 or less (as of the end of September).  That number has increased since January, but that may be only a reflection of the price having dropped by half since then (so that more users can afford to leave 0.1 BTC unspent in their wallets).

maybe newegg should accept gold and silver as payment ..
or maybe they should accept government bonds as payment.
or maybe they should start accepting derivatives and equities as payment.
it appears to me bitcoin is more than just a speculative commodity.

Good point, actually... Imagine if someone set up a VinylPay company: "send your old vinyl records to us and we will send their market value in dollars to a merchant of your choice, for a small fee".  Suppose that many merchants signed up for that service (since it would not cost them anything, and could bring in extra dollars).  Would we say that "vinyl record adoption is increasing"?

- 94k bitcoin will be auctioned in the next months by US Marshalls.
- 30k extra bitcoins also auctioned by Australia soon.
- 200k recovered frozen bitcoins from MtGox could be returned to their owners at any time.
- Less bidders in the recently 50k auction, was also really bearish sign.

The 220'000 MtGOX bitcoins will be locked up at least until September 2015, which is the current deadline for the trustee to validate the claims by former customers (that they are supposed to submit until May 2015, in some way that is still unspecified.)  After that, they may be reurned to clients as bitcoins, pobably through Kraken accounts; or they may have to be auctioned in Japan for yen.

The USMS may soon auction a few more coins seized from other sites and individuals that they have arrested after the SilkRoad 1.0 raid: SilkRoad 2.0, a Dutch SR merchant (Joop?), Trendon Shavers, some LocalBitcoins guys, ...  Those auctions, if they happen, would enter the USMS queue, after the remaining SR coins.

The last USMS auction not only had fewer bidders, but the winning bidders (except Draper, who got 2000 coins) were small fish who bid for 1200 BTC each, on average, and could not afford to bid for a whole 2000 BTC lot (or did not want to).  The relative lack of interest by whales, compared to small fish, seems bearish too.

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