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December 13, 2014, 12:21:49 PM

The Blockchain solution to decentralisation is a broken one, and BTC is not viable as a currency long term (for the reasons posted many times before and that I listed few days ago).
At the same time, it cannot e replaced by a shitcoin that, behind the gimmicky features (being anonymous, slightly faster transaction times,  etc), shares the same fundamental issues.

It will be replaced by something that works in very different ways to avoid the BTC and Blockchain fuck ups.
For one, it will need to be a decentralised network that allows any existing currency or anything else of VALUE (that cannot be double spent) to be "put in the network" easily and in a frictionless way.

Similar protocols exist today (like Ripple), if they won't be the future specifically, something else that works in very similar ways, will.


And I know that you don't wanna hear stuff like this because you wanna get rich quick with the pyramid scheme aspect of Bitcoin... At least don't lie to yourself.

Ripple is not decentralized you nitwit.
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December 13, 2014, 12:25:03 PM

The Blockchain solution to decentralisation is a broken one, and BTC is not viable as a currency long term (for the reasons posted many times before and that I listed few days ago).
At the same time, it cannot e replaced by a shitcoin that, behind the gimmicky features (being anonymous, slightly faster transaction times,  etc), shares the same fundamental issues.

It will be replaced by something that works in very different ways to avoid the BTC and Blockchain fuck ups.
For one, it will need to be a decentralised network that allows any existing currency or anything else of VALUE (that cannot be double spent) to be "put in the network" easily and in a frictionless way.

Similar protocols exist today (like Ripple), if they won't be the future specifically, something else that works in very similar ways, will.


And I know that you don't wanna hear stuff like this because you wanna get rich quick with the pyramid scheme aspect of Bitcoin... At least don't lie to yourself.

Ripple is not decentralized you nitwit.
Transactions are carried out in a decentralised way (the main idea behind the original satoshi paper, that you don't need a trusted third party for transactions to go through), only the distribution of XRP the currency is centralised.

Try again.


Can we please stop talking about ripple? If you think I'm saying with certainty that ripple is the future and BTC will die, you either didn't read my posts or you didn't understand what I said.
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December 13, 2014, 12:29:58 PM

The Blockchain solution to decentralisation is a broken one, and BTC is not viable as a currency long term (for the reasons posted many times before and that I listed few days ago).
At the same time, it cannot e replaced by a shitcoin that, behind the gimmicky features (being anonymous, slightly faster transaction times,  etc), shares the same fundamental issues.

It will be replaced by something that works in very different ways to avoid the BTC and Blockchain fuck ups.
For one, it will need to be a decentralised network that allows any existing currency or anything else of VALUE (that cannot be double spent) to be "put in the network" easily and in a frictionless way.

Similar protocols exist today (like Ripple), if they won't be the future specifically, something else that works in very similar ways, will.


And I know that you don't wanna hear stuff like this because you wanna get rich quick with the pyramid scheme aspect of Bitcoin... At least don't lie to yourself.

Ripple is not decentralized you nitwit.
Transactions are carried out in a decentralised way (the main idea behind the original satoshi paper, that you don't need a trusted third party), only the distribution of XRP the currency is centralised.

Try again.


Can we please stop talking about ripple? If you think I'm saying with certainty that ripple is the future and BTC will die, you either didn't read my posts or you didn't understand what I said.

If by decentralized you mean by gateways that can and will exert control on your centrally distributed currency, then sure, its decentralized.  Have fun with that.  /s
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December 13, 2014, 12:31:05 PM


Why that focus on ripple in the first place? My post said that because of BTC and Blockchain problems, BTC will probably be replaced by something better in the future. I just mentioned ripple because it's a protocol that tries to do something different.


Because I looked through your recent post history for the reasons that bitcoin was flawed you mentioned (since you didn't give a link). Pretty much every post had something pro ripple in it. Then you come here to disparage bitcoin in the wall observer thread to say something else will displace it. Roll Eyes
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December 13, 2014, 12:56:03 PM

The forum is riddled with Ripple spam this morning for some reason
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December 13, 2014, 01:00:43 PM


Explanation
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December 13, 2014, 01:13:04 PM

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Don't do anything stupid, ChartBuddy...



You too, gentlemen.  My indifference towards your tragic plight is but a facade--My heart breaks for you gentlemen, I worry...

P.S:  Good morning my friends!


.@BlindMayorBitcorn below:  My point exactly!  You can start afresh in a new country, with a new name--no one need ever know about your embarrassing Bitcoiner past.
I hear the Nazis other reputable Bitcoiners have had good luck in Argentina, perhaps try there?
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December 13, 2014, 01:16:49 PM

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You too, gentlemen.  My indifference towards your tragic plight is but a facade--My heart breaks for you gentlemen, I worry...

It's only money, brother
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December 13, 2014, 01:18:26 PM

Some people calling them selves anti.. think that they just can come here and... come here!

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December 13, 2014, 01:40:05 PM

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Don't do anything stupid, ChartBuddy...



You too, gentlemen.  My indifference towards your tragic plight is but a facade--My heart breaks for you gentlemen, I worry...

P.S:  Good morning my friends!


.@BlindMayorBitcorn below:  My point exactly!  You can start afresh in a new country, with a new name--no one need ever know about your embarrassing Bitcoiner past.
I hear the Nazis other reputable Bitcoiners have had good luck in Argentina, perhaps try there?

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December 13, 2014, 01:56:42 PM

We're starting to go in circles...


They are not minor problems... The USD volume (minus changebacks) is flat since April, and still less than January

USD tx is "flat" only from a very shallow analysis. Looking at it in more detail, we see it drastically fell from a peak value in December last year, with one intermediate spike in March, to a low point in May, and has been rising since then despite falling price.

USD tx going up since May despite falling price means one thing and one thing only: usage is going up since then.

Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative, but it's about as close to a fact as you can get, given our imperfect ways to observe the economic network size.


Yes, I will give the same spiel again.  As I wrote before,  adoption surely increased from 2012 to 2013 to 2014. But I do not see any clear signs that adoption has been increasing over the last year.  The most germane indicators that you use as evidence of year-to-year increase show a decrease and stagnation since January.

Bitpay went from 5 million USD per month to 30 million per month from mid 2013 to mid 2014, and you're "not seeing any clear signs adoption is increasing". That's really pretty funny... Let me try to drive home my point that you're cherry picking now:

Is there a climatology department at your university? Maybe go over there in a year when the latest climate data does not show an increase in average temperate or some other metric that is used in the global climate models, and tell them that it looks like climate change/global warming is over, since their latest data point doesn't show a continuation of the trend. See how they'll laugh as they you show you the door.

I'm being a bit facetious here, the Bitcoin market trend is less established (and less researched) than climate trends, but the principle is the same:

If there has been a strong, clear trend of about 5 years, you cannot conclude from a weaker subtrend of a few months that the larger trend has reversed.

You can be "skeptical" perhaps based on the latest data points, but the global assessment still has to be driven by the global trend, not the local one.


I'll summarize:

Fact: Adoption is way up from 2010 (when the network went live on a global scale).

Fact: The latest available data that is indisputably in favor of growing adoption is from mid 2013 to mid 2014 (e.g. Bitpay).

Fact: The intra-2014 data is less conclusive, showing both signs of falling trends and rising trends.

Conclusion: If in one or two years from now, the numbers (like USD tx, Bitpay/Coinbase volume) are stagnant compared to now, we could perhaps conclude adoption halted. But as of December 2014, it is a safe conclusion, given the data, that adoption has been growing.
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December 13, 2014, 01:58:54 PM

Hear hear Oda.

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Explanation
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December 13, 2014, 02:11:50 PM

Hear hear Oda.



Solid reasoning vs Speculation: 1-0  Grin
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December 13, 2014, 02:21:52 PM

The "adoption" is actually early adopters spending their bitcoins and increasing bitcoin liquidity on the exchanges, resulting in more seller pressure and lower prices.
I find quit likely that 1 - 2 months from now the ask sum on exchanges to almost double. Bears rejoice over increased "adoption". Cheesy
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December 13, 2014, 02:22:41 PM

Hear hear Oda.



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The Bitcoin Brain Trust likes your reasoning, Oda.  Well done!
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December 13, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
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Sorry to bust your balls with ripple again, but you gotta see this:


BTC Bearwhale is now XRP BullWhale?     17Million USD buy wall for XRP at 0.01538 USD:

On Bitstamp:




https://www.ripplecharts.com/#/markets


1.1 billion XRP = 50K BTC = 17 Million USD
 Shocked Shocked

Does somebody know if this is a glitch or something?
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December 13, 2014, 02:26:39 PM

The "adoption" is actually early adopters spending their bitcoins and increasing bitcoin liquidity on the exchanges, resulting in more seller pressure and lower prices.
I find quit likely that 1 - 2 months from now the ask sum on exchanges to almost double. Bears rejoice over increased "adoption". Cheesy

Adoption or not, you're also here for a reason. The same reason we are all here for. Me you, and even that Lambtroll who I falsely thought he got away, because everybody got him on ignore!

Come on Tzupy, say the reason...

SAY IT! Grin

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December 13, 2014, 02:28:14 PM

Hear hear Oda.



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FTF...etc

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December 13, 2014, 02:32:21 PM

Hear hear Oda.



Solid reasoningWishful Thinking vs Speculation: 1-0  Grin

FTF...etc



I'm sure you never got down to the 2nd paragraph.
Which is... you know... OK.  Grin
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