EOS - Asynchronous Smart Contract Platform - (Dan Larimer of Bitshares/Steem)

[key_z]

I'm seeing a pattern here: the addresses below (and many more; below is a sample) receive ETH from Bitfinex, send ETH to EOSCrowdsale address, receive EOS from crowdsale, then send EOS back to Bitfinex.

One explanation is arbitrage.  But according to https://eosscan.io/ the price for period #146 (which ended 25 min ago) was $1.72, and even tho Bitfinex received a ton of EOS right after period #146, the price didn't drop from $1.78 (it may have dropped 2 cents from $1.80).  If this pattern were just arbitrage, I'd expect the crowdsale price to be closer to the exchange prices.  I have witnessed this many times--ICO price a bit below exchange price, but the exchange price doesn't drop right after the period ends.  In other words, this pattern is probably not part of an arbitrage strategy.  If somebody is accumulating EOS, there is no need to send to Bitfinex.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x4e8c49fab23532ef2ed14058639f55cf45bade1e
https://etherscan.io/address/0x59438809e11ef3a9e197de965abbfd6792092b76
https://etherscan.io/address/0x9fad7a730ba976ea8cbcf8fcd6e4c217386520a8
https://etherscan.io/address/0x188fb986e8932e8469578430acaa5a2c12f5c48b
https://etherscan.io/address/0xe3c2e9512ea8026b68f69012944e89238a011ac7
https://etherscan.io/address/0x71d8b9755bbca15fc491e6520c21e319a574680b
https://etherscan.io/address/0xeae47e717bb68f80180382e954320bed9072676b
https://etherscan.io/address/0x8c63dfba829060122225d22c9d1d33841d8468d0
https://etherscan.io/address/0x47fcb6d294aad242088b026ad87867166c375207
https://etherscan.io/address/0xe777cde17e532f78227554607872adbb36597f06

also, EOS seems to be maybe the most transacted token at finex:
https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x1151314c646ce4e0efd76d1af4760ae66a9fe30f&p=1

I am a huge fan of Dan Larimer, Steemit is a wonderful platform, and I really like the EOS project.  However, I cannot come up with a legitimate reason for the pattern I am seeing above.  The only explanation I can come up with is that ETH is being recycled into the ICO, and Bitfinex is being used to hide this recycling.  I hope I am wrong about this.  I trust Dan, and I would assume he's probably not involved in handling ICO funds.

Furthermore, suppose recycling of ETH was occurring.  The above behavior is exactly what you would expect to see.

Who has access to EOS ICO funds?
block.one claims the ICO is being audited.. when can I review this audit?

I've seen this: https://eos.io/faq.html but I don't blindly trust, especially with no way to verify.

26. Will block.one be contributing to the EOS Token distribution?
No, during the entire EOS Token distribution period, block.one will not do any of the following:
block.one will not purchase EOS Tokens by any means;
block.one will not pay any dividends to its shareholders; and
block.one will not perform any share buybacks.
block.one intends to engage an independent third party auditor who will release an independent audit report providing further assurances that block.one has not purchased EOS Tokens during the EOS Token distribution period or traded EOS Tokens (including using proceeds from the EOS Token distribution for these purposes). This report will be made available to the public on the eos.io website.

Maybe I'm missing some other possibility but it seems like either:

• block.one is lying
• there's another explanation for the activity outlined above

[chryspano]

This is from eos telegram

[sinner]

This is from eos telegram

so they're gonna pay somebody to vouch for them.. sounds reliable.  would prefer to see somebody like Andreas Antonopoulos look at their books.

[shiv06]

EOS, maybe it is good idea. It can be launched in a far and transparent way. They always create interesting project though for sure.

[chryspano]

This is from eos telegram

so they're gonna pay somebody to vouch for them.. sounds reliable.  would prefer to see somebody like Andreas Antonopoulos look at their books.

You were specifically asking.... "block.one claims the ICO is being audited.. when can I review this audit?"

Now that you got your answer, you decided that an audit is not good enought for you? really??

[Pajulapoiss]

Just learning about EOS, it seems very ambitious for sure, but a lot of FUD around.

had I known about this project few weeks earlier, I would have gotten some EOS, but with the price already up  400% since few weeks ago, I'm not sure...

[sinner]

You were specifically asking.... "block.one claims the ICO is being audited.. when can I review this audit?"

Now that you got your answer, you decided that an audit is not good enought for you? really??

Depends on the audit.  If Roger Ver makes a youtube video saying "trust me" then no (for those who don't remember, he did this for Gox in 2014).  But if a legit auditor confirms that their bank accounts + digital currencies correspond to the amounts received in the ICO, that would certainly instill confidence.

I agree with your post tho, I did move the goal posts a little  

Thought about the transactions I posted above, and it's certainly possible that most people buy on exchange, and some people are making a small spread between ICO price and exchange price (sometimes there is a difference).  In that case it would make sense to see the transactions posted above, but shenanigans are also possible, which is why I look forward to seeing the audit.

[CornCube]

Dan replied:

https://busy.org/eos/@anonymint/re-dan-in-defense-of-consortium-blockchains-20171119t122516214z

[zantezu]

You were specifically asking.... "block.one claims the ICO is being audited.. when can I review this audit?"

Now that you got your answer, you decided that an audit is not good enought for you? really??

Depends on the audit.  If Roger Ver makes a youtube video saying "trust me" then no (for those who don't remember, he did this for Gox in 2014).  But if a legit auditor confirms that their bank accounts + digital currencies correspond to the amounts received in the ICO, that would certainly instill confidence.

I agree with your post tho, I did move the goal posts a little  

Thought about the transactions I posted above, and it's certainly possible that most people buy on exchange, and some people are making a small spread between ICO price and exchange price (sometimes there is a difference).  In that case it would make sense to see the transactions posted above, but shenanigans are also possible, which is why I look forward to seeing the audit.

agree, i heard and read interesting thing about EOS online, most probably they are BS (they were tagged as theories) but it is always good to keep an eye open, ICO's lately have been a little shady. Also i have to admit, the line that say that EOS token cannot be used for nothing (they are pretty much defined useless by their own creators...) on their FAQ is understandable (they have to protect themselves) but it's still really scary.

[sinner]

i did not start either of these threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7e7bnf/eos_are_wash_trading_to_fake_volume/
https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/7e7jfd/can_anybody_please_address_this_eos_are_wash/

[Rogerdale]

i did not start either of these threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7e7bnf/eos_are_wash_trading_to_fake_volume/
https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/7e7jfd/can_anybody_please_address_this_eos_are_wash/

In fact, they do not use collected ethers to re-contribute money to the ICO. Instead, they buy back tokens on Bitfinex and support the price. When price fell from the top to the very bottom people complained that EOS token is falling and were dissapointed, so I believe that EOS decided to spend part of the collected ethers to do buy backs and support the price.

It's not bad in my opinion. At least, if they won't dump these tokens one day.

[chryspano]

i did not start either of these threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7e7bnf/eos_are_wash_trading_to_fake_volume/
https://www.reddit.com/r/eos/comments/7e7jfd/can_anybody_please_address_this_eos_are_wash/

lol, nice finds, those "EOS has syphilis!" guys are always funny.

the pain in the eth camp is reaching critical levels. 

I wish I'm around in a couple of years when EOS will start reaching or surpassing their marketcap and watch their reactions.

 

[asuusa]

I am very confused about EOS project. Price is falling and still i am not in this ship. I will throw some eth if the price falls more.

[newb-dev]

Hey guys, can I send ether from my ledger nano S eth address to buy EOS? Will I be able to claim them when I will login on myetherwallet with the ledger? Thanks

[Moebius327]

I got my tokens from Shapeshift on the Exdous wallet. Can anyone tell me when EOS goes into production are these exchangable into some sort of new EOS token?

[key_z]

I got my tokens from Shapeshift on the Exdous wallet. Can anyone tell me when EOS goes into production are these exchangable into some sort of new EOS token?

they will be exchangeable. FAQ on https://www.eoscollective.org/ should explain how the transition happens and link you to resources on steps you need to take.

[alinka]

There is still nothing build from EOS side and too much fund raised. I hope this will not turn to scam.

[gribble]

There is still nothing build from EOS side and too much fund raised. I hope this will not turn to scam.

Well you can check on Press.One it is a Content Distribution Public Chain (CDPC) based on the EOS blockchain infrastructure. Wait up to meet up on Virginia. Blacksburg, Virginia's first Meetup this November with  the Dev team of eos, if you are part of community of EOS and residence on Virginia, you can go there and share with us on here, what's happening on there, due to i am not from Virginia. Let's wait and see about the development of eos blockchain. Thank you very much https://www.meetup.com/EOSBLACKSBURG/

[init4money]

There is still nothing build from EOS side and too much fund raised. I hope this will not turn to scam.

All of us are waiting. I believe we should buy more closer to the end of sale. Now it is not clear what will happen.

[weston4mills]

Hi all, I have my eos still on bitfinex and want to move them off. Is there any advantage to keeping them on there? Can I store my eos on my ledger nano? Thank!