[ANN] [ICO] [WGR] | Wagerr | The Betting Blockchain | Bounties

[leowonderful]

Wow! Look at how Wagerr cruises against the storm. 1,253,024 sold within a single night while its bartering coins are still in slow recovery. 60 newly collected BTC amidst the storm that represent 1,645,000+- Wagerr sold. This indicates most of the latest adopters are crypto-newbies who did not hold BTC previously in hand. Newbies are naturally the most careful investors by instinct as they are not yet polluted by the speculation madness.

I'm too lazy to shit any deeper. The logistic simply shows that Wagerr is the rarest star for investment in crypto-history so far.

Or they heard about their friend's successes or an article about other ICOs and decided to throw their money on something. That's unfortunately how it is now. Wagerr may well be a success but the ICO platform is quickly going down with uninformed investors and scams.

[Sowik]

Looks like the last 1-2 rounds won't get sold out. At least the 18th round will get sold which is good

[Don_Blas_de_Lezo]

How much time spend for view our Waggers in Dashboard web buyed via Ehters?

[Apollo777]

Wow! Look at how Wagerr cruises against the storm. 1,253,024 sold within a single night while its bartering coins are still in slow recovery. 60 newly collected BTC amidst the storm that represent 1,645,000+- Wagerr sold. This indicates most of the latest adopters are crypto-newbies who did not hold BTC previously in hand. Newbies are naturally the most careful investors by instinct as they are not yet polluted by the speculation madness.

I'm too lazy to shit any deeper. The logistic simply shows that Wagerr is the rarest star for investment in crypto-history so far.

Or they heard about their friend's successes or an article about other ICOs and decided to throw their money on something. That's unfortunately how it is now. Wagerr may well be a success but the ICO platform is quickly going down with uninformed investors and scams.

The keyword is "FOMO" - Fear of missing out.

"It provokes feelings of anxiety and restlessness, often generated by competitive thoughts that others are experiencing more pleasure, success, or fulfillment in their lives than they are."

When your friend shares their stories of crypto-success and it's literally from clicking a button, who wouldn't? It's like money falling from the sky! What we are experiencing is the California Gold Rush. Someone is bound to get scammed by FOOLS GOLD.

[Sowik]

How much time spend for view our Waggers in Dashboard web buyed via Ehters?

It may take some time. If you want you can contact their support, they will help you out.

[lucidwater]

There are only two types of scammers here. One is trying to scam away your once-in-a-life-time great fortune. The other one is scamming you to join their speculation games for your cheap Wagerr once it goes live.

Several hundred bucks are pathetically too little amount for lotteries. Just lock your Wagerrs in the safe, pretend that you've lost your lotteries, forget everything even if its price hits USD100. Come back and open the safe three years later. It'll surprise the shit out of you!

Yeah! It's great fun!

[SoyLaCasa]

Another round of massive sabotage attack by the competitors. With at least much better planned and designed strategy than the previous one not long ago. But still too idiotic to deserve attention.

A very important Wagerr team member, killer weapon of Wagerr - one of the most experienced senior sport bettor, houser and investor from the most enthusiastic country of sports in the world, must be laughing out his shit now reading those stupid pretending questions relating his most knowledgeable field. 
 

hahaha competitor? I wish I was one.
Tell me which competitor offers what I said would be necessary to beat current bookies.
Say their name and I will go bet there all day long.

Truth is that I only wanted to know if people here, who are placing their money in this ICO, at least have a betting background, or know a thing about what you are investing into.

Most of you don't even know how betting works. You must have never placed a bet in your life, and just focus on hype and throwing future price numbers for this token out of thin air. Good luck with your "investment".

Congratulate your "A very important Wagerr team member, killer weapon of Wagerr - one of the most experienced senior sport bettor, houser and investor from the most enthusiastic country of sports in the world, must be laughing out his shit now reading those stupid pretending questions relating his most knowledgeable field", as now he might also be a great marketeer
Oh, and a multi millionaire with a bookie that was not even launched.

[lucidwater]

When the needle hit the right spot, he jumped like a sodomized mad monkey mouthful of senseless yells. Hahahaha! Far more effective than a lie-detector!

[rizkyrz]

How about payments?

[Sowik]

How about payments?

What do you mean by "payments"?

[*MrPiP*]

I think this ICO was very good for investors at the early stage with really high bonuses. Not sure if the Wager will be able to hold the value over time.

[Coinologist]

I think this ICO was very good for investors at the early stage with really high bonuses. Not sure if the Wager will be able to hold the value over time.

Disagree, read the whitepaper on how trading WGR works.

[highaltitude20322]

Hi,

Although this project sounds interesting at first sight, and it's the first decentralized sports betting platform that seems to have clear goals, I have some doubts about this project being a success, besides the price of the token or the amount of money raised during the ICO.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest value seems to be the oracle masternode, where anyone holding a certain amount of tokens will be able to act as the bookmaker and earn half of the fee that bettors pay (still not sure about the exact requirements for this oracle masternode).

I will try to focus in the main aim of this company, which is to compete against existing sportsbooks, and create an edge for players to move to this platform.

There are two types of bettors, which are mug players and professionals.

The mug players will always need the following requirements for a new sportsbook:

- User friendly, easy to use interface
- Welcome bonuses. This is the typical catch that most bookies use (in many cases it means a cost for companies, due to bonus abusers).
- PROPAGANDA, and by this I mean mainstream advertising, as all the scam, worldwide known bookmakers do, which makes mugs feel their money is safe playing with them (doesn't really matter if it really is safe, the perception is key here), and they are getting the best deal (usually they are getting the worst deal, but then again, they don't care). This will be expensive, and wagerr will have to compete against billion dollar companies.
- Easy to deposit/withdraw money. Here I see the biggest problem, since mugs are not generally used to crypto, and are pretty skeptical (those who are even familiar to this industry). Even more with the volatility of the market.
- Feeling of being "safe" using the company. This again is related to propaganda, and since cryptocurrencies are not known for good things among general public, I see a very difficult task here to convince people to "risk" their money and avoid current easy-to-use options.


The professionals will need the following things:

- LOW JUICE (low fees), and therefore bigger payouts.
- LIQUIDITY, which is 100% linked to low juice (see PINNACLE business model)
- safe deposits and withdrawals
- No limits/bans on winning accounts

As far as I'm concerned, the lowest fees are 2% on head to head betting and 4% on multi-user betting (this does not beat some of the current leading exchange bookmakers such as matchbook (1%), Smarkets (2%).
The fee for direct chain betting (I guess this is typical "bet against the house odds" system) is 6%, which certainly won't be even close to beating main asian bookmakers, neither in fee nor liquidity.
In case wagerr is thinking about implementing a mode where people can bet against the system, this is a huge risk, and here is why.
Most bookmakers profit from a large number of mug players, and are not able to compete against professionals. In order to still be profitable companies, what they do is limit winning accounts.
If wagerr is planning on decentralized betting, without identity verification and other KYC procedures, they need to be among the very few companies that are profitable against professionals (this would be very expensive, as they would need to hire the best traders and attract the best market makers), otherwise they will be eaten out by value bettors and arbers.

I guess you might think that decentralizing the service is an advantage against current companies, but I will explain you why I think it is not necessarily that way.
Mug players are losing players, who don't even care enough to pay attention to this (this is the vast majority of players), and as I mentioned before, they just need to be brainwashed with very expensive propaganda, welcome bonuses and user friendly interface.
Professionals currently have access to companies who offer huge limits (impossible to replicate by wagerr under their current terms) and lower fees.
They can use reputable and trusted betting agents to access anonymously to many of these companies, and even deposit and withdraw using bitcoin if they want further anonymity.

With all this being said, the cherry of the pie, which are the oracle masternode, is useless without the ability to bring money to the platform, and therefore liquidity.

By no means I'm saying that investing in this token will not be profitable in the short term, since it's a pretty hyped project, but I would not expect this company to be successful in the mid-long term under the current conditions.

The biggest issue with your post is you are wrong.. The 2% fee is against the winning payout.. MEANING that its 1% against the total bet... meaning that it absolutely either beats or at the very least ties the lowest fees out there.

Thanks for your opinion tho, but regulation will only get worse. As governments grow, their power and reach will only increase, centralized systems will be shafted first. Like it or not Wagerr is a really great use case for what is already a starving world, that in my opinion only going to get worse.

[Dvd1989]

Can I send my BTC directly from Poloniex to the ICO address?

Also, what Wallet can I use to hold te tokens?

[Sowik]

Can I send my BTC directly from Poloniex to the ICO address?

Also, what Wallet can I use to hold te tokens?

Yes, you can. Just make sure you send the right amount.

Myetherwaller will work for holding tokens.

[SoyLaCasa]

Hi,

Although this project sounds interesting at first sight, and it's the first decentralized sports betting platform that seems to have clear goals, I have some doubts about this project being a success, besides the price of the token or the amount of money raised during the ICO.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest value seems to be the oracle masternode, where anyone holding a certain amount of tokens will be able to act as the bookmaker and earn half of the fee that bettors pay (still not sure about the exact requirements for this oracle masternode).

I will try to focus in the main aim of this company, which is to compete against existing sportsbooks, and create an edge for players to move to this platform.

There are two types of bettors, which are mug players and professionals.

The mug players will always need the following requirements for a new sportsbook:

- User friendly, easy to use interface
- Welcome bonuses. This is the typical catch that most bookies use (in many cases it means a cost for companies, due to bonus abusers).
- PROPAGANDA, and by this I mean mainstream advertising, as all the scam, worldwide known bookmakers do, which makes mugs feel their money is safe playing with them (doesn't really matter if it really is safe, the perception is key here), and they are getting the best deal (usually they are getting the worst deal, but then again, they don't care). This will be expensive, and wagerr will have to compete against billion dollar companies.
- Easy to deposit/withdraw money. Here I see the biggest problem, since mugs are not generally used to crypto, and are pretty skeptical (those who are even familiar to this industry). Even more with the volatility of the market.
- Feeling of being "safe" using the company. This again is related to propaganda, and since cryptocurrencies are not known for good things among general public, I see a very difficult task here to convince people to "risk" their money and avoid current easy-to-use options.


The professionals will need the following things:

- LOW JUICE (low fees), and therefore bigger payouts.
- LIQUIDITY, which is 100% linked to low juice (see PINNACLE business model)
- safe deposits and withdrawals
- No limits/bans on winning accounts

As far as I'm concerned, the lowest fees are 2% on head to head betting and 4% on multi-user betting (this does not beat some of the current leading exchange bookmakers such as matchbook (1%), Smarkets (2%).
The fee for direct chain betting (I guess this is typical "bet against the house odds" system) is 6%, which certainly won't be even close to beating main asian bookmakers, neither in fee nor liquidity.
In case wagerr is thinking about implementing a mode where people can bet against the system, this is a huge risk, and here is why.
Most bookmakers profit from a large number of mug players, and are not able to compete against professionals. In order to still be profitable companies, what they do is limit winning accounts.
If wagerr is planning on decentralized betting, without identity verification and other KYC procedures, they need to be among the very few companies that are profitable against professionals (this would be very expensive, as they would need to hire the best traders and attract the best market makers), otherwise they will be eaten out by value bettors and arbers.

I guess you might think that decentralizing the service is an advantage against current companies, but I will explain you why I think it is not necessarily that way.
Mug players are losing players, who don't even care enough to pay attention to this (this is the vast majority of players), and as I mentioned before, they just need to be brainwashed with very expensive propaganda, welcome bonuses and user friendly interface.
Professionals currently have access to companies who offer huge limits (impossible to replicate by wagerr under their current terms) and lower fees.
They can use reputable and trusted betting agents to access anonymously to many of these companies, and even deposit and withdraw using bitcoin if they want further anonymity.

With all this being said, the cherry of the pie, which are the oracle masternode, is useless without the ability to bring money to the platform, and therefore liquidity.

By no means I'm saying that investing in this token will not be profitable in the short term, since it's a pretty hyped project, but I would not expect this company to be successful in the mid-long term under the current conditions.

The biggest issue with your post is you are wrong.. The 2% fee is against the winning payout.. MEANING that its 1% against the total bet... meaning that it absolutely either beats or at the very least ties the lowest fees out there.

Thanks for your opinion tho, but regulation will only get worse. As governments grow, their power and reach will only increase, centralized systems will be shafted first. Like it or not Wagerr is a really great use case for what is already a starving world, that in my opinion only going to get worse.

Well, my point is not wrong because most betting exchanges measure their fees either in winning part of the bet, or in the stake (or sometimes the higher of both). This is taken for granted.
Even though fee being on winning bets means the true cost is lower, it does not really mean it is 1% on payout, as that depends on the odds you are playing. Low odds will have fees under 1% of your total payout and higher odds will have higher fees.
This would be very good if it applied both to head-to-head and multi-user (twice the fee from head to head).
Take into account that existing bookies don't distinguish between these two types of bets, as your stake can be matched entirely by one player, or by as many players as it's necessary (or not every bet entirely matched).
By the way, this certainly does not beat the lowest fees in the market, and will have trouble beating highest liquidity as well.

However, what I consider to be a bigger issue about the business model is unlimited chain betting, as the system is proposing an easy way to avoid being banned.
As I mentioned before, very few bookies where you bet against the system are sharp enough to be profitable against pro players, and 99% of them avoid them by limiting accounts.
Their chain betting model has fees that are too high to compete against industry leaders, but low enough to offer value and create arbitrage opportunities.

In their white paper, they say the following:
"Peerless direct chain betting.
Peerless betting does not require a complementary transaction to forge a contract. Any bettor can initiate a contract on chain, which the Wagerr network is programmed to pay out if the bettor wins.".
This is a very risky behavior, as tokens will be generated to pay winning players, and believe me that without account limits they will most probably attract many arbitrage bettors and value investors who will make them lose money (big time).

There are still many countries where online gambling is not taxed, so decentralizing the industry will not be a fast procedure.
It's true on the other hand that regulation is horrible and will get worse for most people (ask people who use skrill and neteller how they feel about CRS and their money being safe), but in my opinion, it will be more likely to see consolidated and profitable bookies add bitcoin as payment method, and even as currency for betting, either directly or through betting agents, than a project like this or any other existing one being successful.

Anyhow, time will tell us if this project can attract at least a portion of the huge betting industry.
Let's hope some day we can see a decentralized bookie worth using, either this one or any other one, as it will be amazing news for so many people who bet on sports for a living.

[demofx]

Will be watching this project closely... Got some potential here..

[Dvd1989]

Can I send my BTC directly from Poloniex to the ICO address?

Also, what Wallet can I use to hold te tokens?

Yes, you can. Just make sure you send the right amount.

Myetherwaller will work for holding tokens.

Great, thanks for replying!

[highaltitude20322]

Hi,

Although this project sounds interesting at first sight, and it's the first decentralized sports betting platform that seems to have clear goals, I have some doubts about this project being a success, besides the price of the token or the amount of money raised during the ICO.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest value seems to be the oracle masternode, where anyone holding a certain amount of tokens will be able to act as the bookmaker and earn half of the fee that bettors pay (still not sure about the exact requirements for this oracle masternode).

I will try to focus in the main aim of this company, which is to compete against existing sportsbooks, and create an edge for players to move to this platform.

There are two types of bettors, which are mug players and professionals.

The mug players will always need the following requirements for a new sportsbook:

- User friendly, easy to use interface
- Welcome bonuses. This is the typical catch that most bookies use (in many cases it means a cost for companies, due to bonus abusers).
- PROPAGANDA, and by this I mean mainstream advertising, as all the scam, worldwide known bookmakers do, which makes mugs feel their money is safe playing with them (doesn't really matter if it really is safe, the perception is key here), and they are getting the best deal (usually they are getting the worst deal, but then again, they don't care). This will be expensive, and wagerr will have to compete against billion dollar companies.
- Easy to deposit/withdraw money. Here I see the biggest problem, since mugs are not generally used to crypto, and are pretty skeptical (those who are even familiar to this industry). Even more with the volatility of the market.
- Feeling of being "safe" using the company. This again is related to propaganda, and since cryptocurrencies are not known for good things among general public, I see a very difficult task here to convince people to "risk" their money and avoid current easy-to-use options.


The professionals will need the following things:

- LOW JUICE (low fees), and therefore bigger payouts.
- LIQUIDITY, which is 100% linked to low juice (see PINNACLE business model)
- safe deposits and withdrawals
- No limits/bans on winning accounts

As far as I'm concerned, the lowest fees are 2% on head to head betting and 4% on multi-user betting (this does not beat some of the current leading exchange bookmakers such as matchbook (1%), Smarkets (2%).
The fee for direct chain betting (I guess this is typical "bet against the house odds" system) is 6%, which certainly won't be even close to beating main asian bookmakers, neither in fee nor liquidity.
In case wagerr is thinking about implementing a mode where people can bet against the system, this is a huge risk, and here is why.
Most bookmakers profit from a large number of mug players, and are not able to compete against professionals. In order to still be profitable companies, what they do is limit winning accounts.
If wagerr is planning on decentralized betting, without identity verification and other KYC procedures, they need to be among the very few companies that are profitable against professionals (this would be very expensive, as they would need to hire the best traders and attract the best market makers), otherwise they will be eaten out by value bettors and arbers.

I guess you might think that decentralizing the service is an advantage against current companies, but I will explain you why I think it is not necessarily that way.
Mug players are losing players, who don't even care enough to pay attention to this (this is the vast majority of players), and as I mentioned before, they just need to be brainwashed with very expensive propaganda, welcome bonuses and user friendly interface.
Professionals currently have access to companies who offer huge limits (impossible to replicate by wagerr under their current terms) and lower fees.
They can use reputable and trusted betting agents to access anonymously to many of these companies, and even deposit and withdraw using bitcoin if they want further anonymity.

With all this being said, the cherry of the pie, which are the oracle masternode, is useless without the ability to bring money to the platform, and therefore liquidity.

By no means I'm saying that investing in this token will not be profitable in the short term, since it's a pretty hyped project, but I would not expect this company to be successful in the mid-long term under the current conditions.

The biggest issue with your post is you are wrong.. The 2% fee is against the winning payout.. MEANING that its 1% against the total bet... meaning that it absolutely either beats or at the very least ties the lowest fees out there.

Thanks for your opinion tho, but regulation will only get worse. As governments grow, their power and reach will only increase, centralized systems will be shafted first. Like it or not Wagerr is a really great use case for what is already a starving world, that in my opinion only going to get worse.

Well, my point is not wrong because most betting exchanges measure their fees either in winning part of the bet, or in the stake (or sometimes the higher of both). This is taken for granted.
Even though fee being on winning bets means the true cost is lower, it does not really mean it is 1% on payout, as that depends on the odds you are playing. Low odds will have fees under 1% of your total payout and higher odds will have higher fees.
This would be very good if it applied both to head-to-head and multi-user (twice the fee from head to head).
Take into account that existing bookies don't distinguish between these two types of bets, as your stake can be matched entirely by one player, or by as many players as it's necessary (or not every bet entirely matched).
By the way, this certainly does not beat the lowest fees in the market, and will have trouble beating highest liquidity as well.

However, what I consider to be a bigger issue about the business model is unlimited chain betting, as the system is proposing an easy way to avoid being banned.
As I mentioned before, very few bookies where you bet against the system are sharp enough to be profitable against pro players, and 99% of them avoid them by limiting accounts.
Their chain betting model has fees that are too high to compete against industry leaders, but low enough to offer value and create arbitrage opportunities.

In their white paper, they say the following:
"Peerless direct chain betting.
Peerless betting does not require a complementary transaction to forge a contract. Any bettor can initiate a contract on chain, which the Wagerr network is programmed to pay out if the bettor wins.".
This is a very risky behavior, as tokens will be generated to pay winning players, and believe me that without account limits they will most probably attract many arbitrage bettors and value investors who will make them lose money (big time).

There are still many countries where online gambling is not taxed, so decentralizing the industry will not be a fast procedure.
It's true on the other hand that regulation is horrible and will get worse for most people (ask people who use skrill and neteller how they feel about CRS and their money being safe), but in my opinion, it will be more likely to see consolidated and profitable bookies add bitcoin as payment method, and even as currency for betting, either directly or through betting agents, than a project like this or any other existing one being successful.

Anyhow, time will tell us if this project can attract at least a portion of the huge betting industry.
Let's hope some day we can see a decentralized bookie worth using, either this one or any other one, as it will be amazing news for so many people who bet on sports for a living.

A classic take from someone who trusts centralized systems.  Go ahead keep all your money/fiat/bitcoin on a site that is controlled by and held by a single entity or person.  If you want to roll the dice be my guest, sounds like you are a betting man as is anyhow so it makes sense.  Just don't come complaining when the government freezes it, or the company just ups and walks away with it, or gets it taken from them.

This project takes advantage of the power of decentralization better than almost all that i have seen out there to date. (at least in proposal)

"If you don't hold the keys, you don't own the coin." or dollars for that matter as well...

[Piston Honda]

hope this moons nicely into 2018 

sold off more icn as it fliiieesss recently to top up on WGR!