Should I cancel my BFL 4/2/2013 Order?

[k9quaint]

Are you aware that all units are tested prior to shipment? You can't make the leap that they have been tested on mainnet simply because the unit is filled with dust. It's a long extension even for a shill from BFL.

His was damaged and he definitely needs a replacement, ASAP.

Where are they doing this testing, the local rock quarry?  

That is weeks worth of dust.
http://s21.postimg.org/h2pga4yxi/005.jpg

Actually, that is one week's worth of dust on my equipment if I leave my back garage door open for ventilation during the day. I go through a can of compressed air a month trying to keep my rigs clean (dust makes them run hotter).

They are not in a rock quarry. They are someplace much worse.


Air quality in China is notoriously poor.

Then wouldn't they ALL look like that then?

Not if they tested some for 5 minutes and others for a day or two, or even some were not tested at all. Perhaps they burn in every unit for 24 hours before shipping.
I can think of lots of scenarios that are innocent which could result a bit of dust like that.

On the other hand, they could be in a building with excellent air quality control (a semiconductor factory for instance) and could have been mining with them for days or weeks. I was far more concerned with the damage to the unit than the dust.

[minternj]

Who cares if avalon tested on the main chain. They are giving you a magic money machine. It's like getting mad at the lotto for winning 550 mill but having to pay half for lump sum then another half for taxes. You still getting more than you put in(eventually). People really need to change their expectations for asic companies.

Honestly I would prefer if they tested on the main chain for two reasons, firstly it's a more accurate test, after all that's how the unit is intended to be run, secondly if they make a bit more cash flow from it they have a healthier business.

Yep, hopefully they get the gen2 chips out soon. Yifu sounded pretty optimistic in the vids posted from the conference it will happen soon.

[jspielberg]

Hopefully they will make some reference G2 boards compatible with for their Avalon servers.

[Bicknellski]

Are you aware that all units are tested prior to shipment? You can't make the leap that they have been tested on mainnet simply because the unit is filled with dust. It's a long extension even for a shill from BFL.

His was damaged and he definitely needs a replacement, ASAP.

Where are they doing this testing, the local rock quarry?  

That is weeks worth of dust.
http://s21.postimg.org/h2pga4yxi/005.jpg

Actually, that is one week's worth of dust on my equipment if I leave my back garage door open for ventilation during the day. I go through a can of compressed air a month trying to keep my rigs clean (dust makes them run hotter).

They are not in a rock quarry. They are someplace much worse.


Air quality in China is notoriously poor.

Then wouldn't they ALL look like that then?

Not if they tested some for 5 minutes and others for a day or two, or even some were not tested at all. Perhaps they burn in every unit for 24 hours before shipping.
I can think of lots of scenarios that are innocent which could result a bit of dust like that.

On the other hand, they could be in a building with excellent air quality control (a semiconductor factory for instance) and could have been mining with them for days or weeks. I was far more concerned with the damage to the unit than the dust.

We all know they were mining for profit via burn in so that dust was infact dust from Eclipse mining facility most probably.

[philipma1957]

Are you aware that all units are tested prior to shipment? You can't make the leap that they have been tested on mainnet simply because the unit is filled with dust. It's a long extension even for a shill from BFL.

His was damaged and he definitely needs a replacement, ASAP.

Where are they doing this testing, the local rock quarry?  

That is weeks worth of dust.
http://s21.postimg.org/h2pga4yxi/005.jpg

Actually, that is one week's worth of dust on my equipment if I leave my back garage door open for ventilation during the day. I go through a can of compressed air a month trying to keep my rigs clean (dust makes them run hotter).

They are not in a rock quarry. They are someplace much worse.


Air quality in China is notoriously poor.

Then wouldn't they ALL look like that then?

Not if they tested some for 5 minutes and others for a day or two, or even some were not tested at all. Perhaps they burn in every unit for 24 hours before shipping.
I can think of lots of scenarios that are innocent which could result a bit of dust like that.

On the other hand, they could be in a building with excellent air quality control (a semiconductor factory for instance) and could have been mining with them for days or weeks. I was far more concerned with the damage to the unit than the dust.

We all know they were mining for profit via burn in so that dust was infact dust from Eclipse mining facility most probably.

Why are you digging up old BFL threads?

[Bicknellski]

Relevant to the latest Monarch situation. It might help others in their exploration of information before shopping with BFL. Also it may give others a pathway to find out where BFL has lied to customers in the past and that might go to their case. Every little bit will help. Clearly they mine before shipping for profit... looking through these threads and recycling what was said will not allow them to cover it up further.  You might know the history... not everyone else does.

[k9quaint]

We all know they were mining for profit via burn in so that dust was infact dust from Eclipse mining facility most probably.

I believe that was a photo of an Avalon with dust and damage, not BFL. AFAIK there is no proof that Avalon mined extensively on the main blockchain, but that doesn't mean they didn't. It would be very tempting to do. We do know that BFL did, since they admitted to it at Sonny's court hearing.

[Bicknellski]

We all know they were mining for profit via burn in so that dust was infact dust from Eclipse mining facility most probably.

I believe that was a photo of an Avalon with dust and damage, not BFL. AFAIK there is no proof that Avalon mined extensively on the main blockchain, but that doesn't mean they didn't. It would be very tempting to do. We do know that BFL did, since they admitted to it at Sonny's court hearing.

My bad.

There was a thread that indicated dust in BFL machines was there not?

[Rampion]

BFL has pretty much admitted they were mining on customers hardware.

[Bicknellski]

BFL has pretty much admitted they were mining on customers hardware.

Yes in the court documents. Not here in the forum at the time. That is where we all would love dig up all the denials and the defamation of people when they called BFL out on mining with the equipment. Given the defense that BFL is using saying basically no one 'owned' the units while we were testing so you can't claim losses because miners are assigned to customers after the burn in is what they still use today for the Monarch. You purchased a Monarch. You have no claim on hashing a board does before you get it shipped to you. In BFL's mind you have no right to claim ownership even though you supported the development of the card. They use your money to not only fund the development but personal expenses, loans to BFL execs and don't forget the homes. cars and other things that will come out soon enough.

It would be interesting to go back through every BFL post here and check what they said exactly at the time. Refunds were ok now not ok. They only mined on the test net now they were mining for profit on machines that were not owned by customers yet. What other wacky and wonderful things will come out of the Eclipse mining pool. I bet there are plenty of skeletons in that closet that the IRS should rightly audit.

[SgtSpike]

We do know that BFL did, since they admitted to it at Sonny's court hearing.

Source?

[Syke]

We do know that BFL did, since they admitted to it at Sonny's court hearing.

Source?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013

pg 3.

Butterfly Labs earns mining income from their bum testing of machines

[SgtSpike]

We do know that BFL did, since they admitted to it at Sonny's court hearing.

Source?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013

pg 3.

Butterfly Labs earns mining income from their bum testing of machines

Thanks

[Bicknellski]

bum testing?

[ethought]

bum testing?

That gave me a good laugh... 

Maybe they are preparing for jail.