Evolution is a hoax

[Astargath]

Actually, if an electron bumped the next electron a little to the left of where it bumped it, the second would bump the third a little differently. but the reason the first bumped exactly where it did was, it was bumped in exactly the way it was bumped. If it was bumped differently, then it would bump differently.

We see nothing else in nature or the universe. Cause and effect act exactly as they were programmed to act - EXACTLY - with nothing (like random) making a difference in the way they acted. The whole thing was programmed.

Why do you think that some tremendous numbers of cause and effect are too many to keep them from being pure random? Just because computer programmers work like crazy to make computer programs work right, why do you think that there can't be an Intelligence that is farther above us than we are above a microbe? Just because you feel like thinking that way?

Everything is programmed. Since this is against evolution theory...

Evolution is a hoax.

BADecker you are not actually listing.

I fully agree if you bump the same electron the same way and the exact same circumstances, you will (most likely, because I really don’t know, neither do you) get the very same outcome every time. My point is circumstances are never, ever, the same! Not even in a lab, under a controlled experiment, it will be the same. All other things being equal – if you somehow could make that, time has gone by, thus nothing is ever 100% the same as last time.

What you can do is eliminate some factors that does not have influence on your given experiment, but that does not mean the experiment is 100% the same as the previous. And this is exactly what we do, whether you sit in your garage playing with switches and lightbulbs or with atoms at CERN.

It is not me that says pure random does not exist – you said it! Because it has never been observed.  I beg the difference, on two fronts – First, it is not needed, because you got enough randomness, multiplying by the second, without it – and if you can’t recreate any situation 100% again, don’t you actually have pure randomness? Second, what has never been observed in nature, or man made for that matter, is circumstances that are 100% the same as previously. So in a weird twist of fate, what has never happened in 4.5 billion years of this planet life is a situation that has occurred 100% identical, twice. Now how is that for randomness?

And for the record, I very much believe that there are far more intelligent beings in this universe, than us. The universe is a pretty big place – I would be shocked if we happened to be the top dogs in this big place. But hey I don’t really know. But apparently you do! – please share

Nothing is programmed, Evolution is a fact!

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

''The way the first electron was set in motion'' Yeah but it depends what set it in motion, scientists say it's bigbang which is a random event or at least a non sentient entity and didn't program anything, it just happened. Therefore everything that follows it's also random even if you can track all the causes back to the big bang, the big bang is still random in itself. At least what we know so far scientifically.

[BADecker]

''The way the first electron was set in motion'' Yeah but it depends what set it in motion, scientists say it's bigbang which is a random event or at least a non sentient entity and didn't program anything, it just happened. Therefore everything that follows it's also random even if you can track all the causes back to the big bang, the big bang is still random in itself. At least what we know so far scientifically.

Big Bang Theory is too limited to fit the details of our universe. While it is true that a universe of sorts could come from BB, the complexity of the microcosm of our universe is outside of BB Theory. Because of this, there is no reason to apply BB to our talk here.

There is no need to consider what it was that set the universe going way back in the Beginning. If it is as standard science accepts, the Beginning was some 13 or 14 billion years ago. Even evolution doesn't start until billions of years after the Beginning. So, who cares about the Beginning, regarding evolution.

The only point regarding evolution in considering the Beginning of the universe is, C&E becomes extremely powerful. Why? Because anything that could start back then, and make the complexities of today, all by C&E, certainly placed a tremendous amount of power and greatness into C&E.

If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know. Why not? Because we haven't been able to understand more than a smattering of the physics of the universe that make the C&E reamin constant... constant without any evidence of pure random. So how can we even begin to understand anything outside of the universe?

None of this fits the idea of ETE (evolution theory evolution.)

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

''The way the first electron was set in motion'' Yeah but it depends what set it in motion, scientists say it's bigbang which is a random event or at least a non sentient entity and didn't program anything, it just happened. Therefore everything that follows it's also random even if you can track all the causes back to the big bang, the big bang is still random in itself. At least what we know so far scientifically.

Big Bang Theory is too limited to fit the details of our universe. While it is true that a universe of sorts could come from BB, the complexity of the microcosm of our universe is outside of BB Theory. Because of this, there is no reason to apply BB to our talk here.

There is no need to consider what it was that set the universe going way back in the Beginning. If it is as standard science accepts, the Beginning was some 13 or 14 billion years ago. Even evolution doesn't start until billions of years after the Beginning. So, who cares about the Beginning, regarding evolution.

The only point regarding evolution in considering the Beginning of the universe is, C&E becomes extremely powerful. Why? Because anything that could start back then, and make the complexities of today, all by C&E, certainly placed a tremendous amount of power and greatness into C&E.

If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know. Why not? Because we haven't been able to understand more than a smattering of the physics of the universe that make the C&E reamin constant... constant without any evidence of pure random. So how can we even begin to understand anything outside of the universe?

None of this fits the idea of ETE (evolution theory evolution.)

Evolution is a hoax.

''If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know.'' So if we don't know, why are you still using it as an argument?

[OgNasty]

Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

I've heard many scientists give plenty of supporting evidence for evolution, but I have yet to hear a good explanation of where the Rh- blood type came from.  I don't think that it is common knowledge that 15% of the human population has no blood tie to the Rhesus Monkey.

[BADecker]

''If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know.'' So if we don't know, why are you still using it as an argument?

Aren't you beginning to figure out how wacky you are? Random is suggested in evolution theory. Yet, the only place that it might possibly exist is instantly "before" the beginning... way before evolution would have started, if it did. This means that evolution doesn't use random. Since the only place we have knowledge of evolution is evolution theory, evolution doesn't exist according to evolution theory.

Let's say it again. Evolution theory says random, but C&E shows that there isn't any random during the time that evolution would have taken place, if evolution existed. So, evolution theory is talking about something that doesn't exist... evolution. Why? Because evolution theory talks random, which didn't exist during the time that theory says that evolution existed.

Thank you for upholding the the idea that...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

''If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know.'' So if we don't know, why are you still using it as an argument?

Aren't you beginning to figure out how wacky you are? Random is suggested in evolution theory. Yet, the only place that it might possibly exist is instantly "before" the beginning... way before evolution would have started, if it did. This means that evolution doesn't use random. Since the only place we have knowledge of evolution is evolution theory, evolution doesn't exist according to evolution theory.

Let's say it again. Evolution theory says random, but C&E shows that there isn't any random during the time that evolution would have taken place, if evolution existed. So, evolution theory is talking about something that doesn't exist... evolution. Why? Because evolution theory talks random, which didn't exist during the time that theory says that evolution existed.

Thank you for upholding the the idea that...

Evolution is a hoax.

A monkey would understand better than you. Maybe you didn't evolve at all

So is gambling fake then? When commentators in sports say ''random shots'' is that a hoax too? It's random for us, a coin toss or dice is also random for us, we can't calculate it accurately and we call it random even if it's not 100% random, your argument is meaningless.

''instantly "before" the beginning... '' No such thing suggested by scientists, the big bang started time itself so there was no ''before'' If the big bang is a random event, whatever it caused it's also random and all the chains of events are random.

[BADecker]

''If the thing that started the Beginning is or uses random, we don't know.'' So if we don't know, why are you still using it as an argument?

Aren't you beginning to figure out how wacky you are? Random is suggested in evolution theory. Yet, the only place that it might possibly exist is instantly "before" the beginning... way before evolution would have started, if it did. This means that evolution doesn't use random. Since the only place we have knowledge of evolution is evolution theory, evolution doesn't exist according to evolution theory.

Let's say it again. Evolution theory says random, but C&E shows that there isn't any random during the time that evolution would have taken place, if evolution existed. So, evolution theory is talking about something that doesn't exist... evolution. Why? Because evolution theory talks random, which didn't exist during the time that theory says that evolution existed.

Thank you for upholding the the idea that...

Evolution is a hoax.

A monkey would understand better than you. Maybe you didn't evolve at all

So is gambling fake then? When commentators in sports say ''random shots'' is that a hoax too? It's random for us, a coin toss or dice is also random for us, we can't calculate it accurately and we call it random even if it's not 100% random, your argument is meaningless.

''instantly "before" the beginning... '' No such thing suggested by scientists, the big bang started time itself so there was no ''before'' If the big bang is a random event, whatever it caused it's also random and all the chains of events are random.

When gambling started, people were not aware of the all-pervading quality of cause and effect. Because of this, they recognized what seemed to them to be random. But it wasn't random, ever. Rather, gambling has always been based in artificial random, based on the weakness of the understanding that people have.

Didn't you see the quotes I used around before? Why do you think that I used them? Don't you understand that something that is not expressible can only be expressed in vague, virtual ways, and that one of the ways in English grammar is to place words in quotes? You seem to have some big blind spots in your understanding of some of the simple things you are saying... one of them being your own inadequacy to think in a scientific manner.

Big bang theory depends on all kinds of other theories to fill out the details of the BB universe. BBT, itself, only takes into account the math for some of the major points of universe creation. These additional theories, being theories as BB is, prove that we don't know if BB could even exist, to say nothing about having anything to do with the making of the universe. You keep referring to BB like it is real. No scientists know that BB is a fact. So, anything you try to base on it isn't known to be factual, either.

Thank you for helping to uphold that evolution is a hoax.

[twthmoses]

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.

[BADecker]

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

[Astargath]

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

''Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed'' Only when you prove it's actually programmed meaning that someone intelligent programmed it. If the big bang was the first cause then nothing is programmed, at least not intelligently even if you can track the causes to the beginning. The big bang didn't ''think'' when it happened so no programming. Therefore evolution is real.

[BADecker]

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

''Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed'' Only when you prove it's actually programmed meaning that someone intelligent programmed it. If the big bang was the first cause then nothing is programmed, at least not intelligently even if you can track the causes to the beginning. The big bang didn't ''think'' when it happened so no programming. Therefore evolution is real.

Big bang theory shows that BB is way to inadequate to have started our universe, especially on levels of life complexity. Such complexity isn't written into BBT in any way that shows that BB is more than a silly idea.

Since thought is part of the universe, and thinking "machines" (brains) are at least as complex as thought patterns, whatever brought this complexity into being was a great thinker... just like our machine-makers think before they make our machines.

However, this has nothing to do with cause and effect as we are talking. C&E shows that evolution doesn't exist because C&E doesn't have perpetual random built in, even in small amounts.

We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random. But if we think we might have evidence of such random, we absolutely have no proof of it. This is similar to evolution. Some look of random and evolution. But no proof of either.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

You fully agree? Who are you agreeing with? Nobody has been talking about bumping any electrons exactly the same way twice.

The thing that is being talked about, is how one electron bumps another. The way the first electron bumps the second electron determines how the second one will act. This is a progression that goes all the way back to the beginning of the first electron being set into motion.

The way the first electron was set in motion determined how it bumped the second. And how the second was set in motion determined how it bumped the third... etc. right down to the present. If the first one had been set in motion slightly differently, it would have bumped the second one differently, etc.,... right on down to the present, and things would be different.

There is no random activity. Everything acts exactly according to the way it was caused to act by whatever caused it to act that way. That's exactly how programming works.

Because the laws of physics don't change, there is and can be no pure random. The thing that we generally call random is simply a word for our inability to see and understand the super-complex programming of the universe.

As far as there being more intelligent beings out there, anybody who can program a universe as complex as ours is, certainly has to be way more complex than we are. What are you trying to say? That you believe that God exists?

Everything is programmed. Because of this, the thing that some people call evolution is programming, not evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

So what you are saying is the every action ever happened in the entire universe is the sole result of how the first electron bumped the second! Everything is predetermined. That I blinked twice right now, and not one time. That the 2nd ww happened, the pyramids of Giza, or the landing on the moon. Narr I don’t think so. And even if it was so, how do you know? It’s all theoretical, unproven speculations – of which you conclude that evolution cannot exist. Hmmm…… you just concluded that nothing means anything, as its all set in stone on account of one electron bumping into another.

You do realize that C&E is there whether something is programmed or not? And that programming is not a conclusion or deductible from C&E? Every cause leads to an effect, always.  C&E is not a programming; it’s a process which leads one event to another. It is transit state, from one or more causes to an effect – with absolutely no relation to programming.

Evolution is a fact, nothing is programmed.

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

''Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed'' Only when you prove it's actually programmed meaning that someone intelligent programmed it. If the big bang was the first cause then nothing is programmed, at least not intelligently even if you can track the causes to the beginning. The big bang didn't ''think'' when it happened so no programming. Therefore evolution is real.

Big bang theory shows that BB is way to inadequate to have started our universe, especially on levels of life complexity. Such complexity isn't written into BBT in any way that shows that BB is more than a silly idea.

Since thought is part of the universe, and thinking "machines" (brains) are at least as complex as thought patterns, whatever brought this complexity into being was a great thinker... just like our machine-makers think before they make our machines.

However, this has nothing to do with cause and effect as we are talking. C&E shows that evolution doesn't exist because C&E doesn't have perpetual random built in, even in small amounts.

We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random. But if we think we might have evidence of such random, we absolutely have no proof of it. This is similar to evolution. Some look of random and evolution. But no proof of either.

Evolution is a hoax.

Complexity arises from simple rules, atoms bumping into each other is enough. Humans are capable of creating things more complex than themselves, you don't need something more complex. This is already debunked several times in the other thread where I destroyed your god arguments. ''We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random.'' Quantum theorists disagree with you and there is no reason to believe you instead of them.

[twthmoses]

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Hmm, ad hominem i see! Arguing against the man, does not strengthen your argument. It a logical fallacy. I’m not going there.

Your deducting of programming out of C&E is equally a logical fallacy. It like saying water exists because I build a hose for it to flow though. Well it does not. You are not in control of causes and you cannot deduct the effect 100%, cause never ever in all the universe history has the cause been 100% the same, twice. How do you deduct programming out of this?

Once again Evolution do need random mutation, it has enough randomness as explained. Two parents, 4 children, tell me you don’t have random evolution right there. No? How come the 4 children are not identical then? Ohh yes the fetus (or the very mixing) adapted, I know!  Whether pure random exist or not, is pure speculation, I can’t prove it, you can’t prove it. And just the fact that it is speculation, true or not true, makes your relicense on it to explain away Evolution, yet another logical fallacy. I don’t need it to either true or not true, cause randomness is all around us, in trillion of examples.

Nothing is programmed and Evolution is fact.

[Badman-Crypto]

I honestly can't believe that in this day and age, there are people that don't believe in evolution, gravity or a spherical Earth. Where did these people go to school?

[Moloch]

I honestly can't believe that in this day and age, there are people that don't believe in evolution, gravity or a spherical Earth. Where did these people go to school?

What blows my mind is that someone spends every day on here for years arguing nonsense... quite a dedicated troll

[BADecker]

I honestly can't believe that in this day and age, there are people that don't believe in evolution, gravity or a spherical Earth. Where did these people go to school?

What blows my mind is that someone spends every day on here for years arguing nonsense... quite a dedicated troll

What's wilder than all of it is, people don't understand that believe is connected to religion, not science. So, if people believe in evolution, flat or globe Earth, gravity, etc., they are simply making it a religion for themselves.

Gravity isn't something to be believed it. It is something in evidence all day long around the world. Gravity is a fact.

Globe earth is something that has been proven over and over scientifically. While the average person only accepts the word of other people that globe earth is a fact, anybody can do the simple experimentation, himself, to prove globe earth.

Evolution is suggested to exist by its theory. There is no proof that all the rantings about evolution are not simply science fiction. Why is this? Because all evolution stuff is better explained by adaptation, like-begets-like, and creation. There is no proof that evolution exists.

Fill in the blank regarding everything that exists. Do you believe it? Or do you know it? If you believe it, it is religion, or at best philosophy. That's the category evolution fits into. Religion. Because everything that makes up what evolution is supposed to be all about, is either an unproven story, or can be applied much more easily and factually to adaptation, like-begets-like, and creation. Why not drop the silly evolution idea and call it what it is... adaptation, like-begets-like, or creation.

Evolution is a hoax.

[BADecker]

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Hmm, ad hominem i see! Arguing against the man, does not strengthen your argument. It a logical fallacy. I’m not going there.

Your deducting of programming out of C&E is equally a logical fallacy. It like saying water exists because I build a hose for it to flow though. Well it does not. You are not in control of causes and you cannot deduct the effect 100%, cause never ever in all the universe history has the cause been 100% the same, twice. How do you deduct programming out of this?

Once again Evolution do need random mutation, it has enough randomness as explained. Two parents, 4 children, tell me you don’t have random evolution right there. No? How come the 4 children are not identical then? Ohh yes the fetus (or the very mixing) adapted, I know!  Whether pure random exist or not, is pure speculation, I can’t prove it, you can’t prove it. And just the fact that it is speculation, true or not true, makes your relicense on it to explain away Evolution, yet another logical fallacy. I don’t need it to either true or not true, cause randomness is all around us, in trillion of examples.

Nothing is programmed and Evolution is fact.

Nobody is quarreling. Pointing out a flaw in a person is not ad hominem.

Play pool, sometime. If you hit the cue ball in exactly this way, it will do exactly this. If you hit the ball in exactly that way, it will do exactly that. If you hit the ball exactly the same way every time, it will do exactly the same thing every time. This is the standard of science... do exactly the same thing the same way, and the result will be exactly the same every time.

The reason the 4 children are different is not because there is random. Rather, it is because the C&E is different for all of them. If the C&E were exactly the same for all of them, they would all be exactly the same. This is what scientific experimentation is all about... getting the exact same results when doing things exactly the same way.

Just because people are incapable of seeing/understanding/recording the trillions of C&E actions involved in making 4 different children, doesn't mean that those trillions of C&E actions don't exist.

Not one proof of pure random has been shown. In fact, pure random doesn't even fit how things work in the universe. Yet there are countless, proven C&E operations. Many of these are in the field of science.

Since there is no proven pure random, evolution theory evolution cannot be proven. Why not? Because the theory says random mutations must exist for evolution to exist. If the kind of random being talked about is not pure random, but only the kind of random used is the way you toss a coin - artificial random, C&E that is too complex to understand the way the toss works - then we are talking C&E. Then all the evolution stuff has been guided by the way things work, in an exact way. Such smacks of programming. And programming of the universe is Intelligent Design.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

How in the world dense are you. Nobody knows how many electrons, other particles, and energies were created at the same time. We don't know if there was a first electron or a second one. But it seems that you are way to dense to understand that I was giving you an example of the C&E way electrons and everything else works in the universe.

Because you are like you are, I am really going to throw you for a loop with this: Everything absolutely is predetermined except for predetermination itself.

As far as anything meaning something, you don't understand what you are too ignorant to understand. Study and think a little more, so you can finally start to talk intelligently about the thing you are blabbing.

The laws of physics determine the way C&E works. How do we know? Because if the cause acted slightly differently, the effect would be slightly different. But since the cause acted as it did, the effect became what it became. Remember, every cause is simple the effect of whatever it was that caused the cause it to act the way it did, before it became the cause of something else that was its effect. All of it acts exactly the way it was pre-programmed to act at the time of the Beginning.

Because of this, the thing that is called evolution was pre-programmed. Because it was pre-programmed, it doesn't fit what evolution theory says it should be in random mutations. In fact, evolution theory is self-contradictory in its ideas of natural selection and random mutations. Why don't evolution theorists use proper wording to keep the theory from being self-contradictory? They can't. Why? Because evolution doesn't exist.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Hmm, ad hominem i see! Arguing against the man, does not strengthen your argument. It a logical fallacy. I’m not going there.

Your deducting of programming out of C&E is equally a logical fallacy. It like saying water exists because I build a hose for it to flow though. Well it does not. You are not in control of causes and you cannot deduct the effect 100%, cause never ever in all the universe history has the cause been 100% the same, twice. How do you deduct programming out of this?

Once again Evolution do need random mutation, it has enough randomness as explained. Two parents, 4 children, tell me you don’t have random evolution right there. No? How come the 4 children are not identical then? Ohh yes the fetus (or the very mixing) adapted, I know!  Whether pure random exist or not, is pure speculation, I can’t prove it, you can’t prove it. And just the fact that it is speculation, true or not true, makes your relicense on it to explain away Evolution, yet another logical fallacy. I don’t need it to either true or not true, cause randomness is all around us, in trillion of examples.

Nothing is programmed and Evolution is fact.

Nobody is quarreling. Pointing out a flaw in a person is not ad hominem.

Play pool, sometime. If you hit the cue ball in exactly this way, it will do exactly this. If you hit the ball in exactly that way, it will do exactly that. If you hit the ball exactly the same way every time, it will do exactly the same thing every time. This is the standard of science... do exactly the same thing the same way, and the result will be exactly the same every time.

The reason the 4 children are different is not because there is random. Rather, it is because the C&E is different for all of them. If the C&E were exactly the same for all of them, they would all be exactly the same. This is what scientific experimentation is all about... getting the exact same results when doing things exactly the same way.

Just because people are incapable of seeing/understanding/recording the trillions of C&E actions involved in making 4 different children, doesn't mean that those trillions of C&E actions don't exist.

Not one proof of pure random has been shown. In fact, pure random doesn't even fit how things work in the universe. Yet there are countless, proven C&E operations. Many of these are in the field of science.

Since there is no proven pure random, evolution theory evolution cannot be proven. Why not? Because the theory says random mutations must exist for evolution to exist. If the kind of random being talked about is not pure random, but only the kind of random used is the way you toss a coin - artificial random, C&E that is too complex to understand the way the toss works - then we are talking C&E. Then all the evolution stuff has been guided by the way things work, in an exact way. Such smacks of programming. And programming of the universe is Intelligent Design.

Evolution is a hoax.

''Not one proof of pure random has been shown''

Again: Complexity arises from simple rules, atoms bumping into each other is enough. Humans are capable of creating things more complex than themselves, you don't need something more complex. This is already debunked several times in the other thread where I destroyed your god arguments. ''We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random.'' Quantum theorists disagree with you and there is no reason to believe you instead of them.

Bring evidence and debunk quantum theory then.

[BADecker]

''Not one proof of pure random has been shown''

Again: Complexity arises from simple rules, atoms bumping into each other is enough. Humans are capable of creating things more complex than themselves, you don't need something more complex. This is already debunked several times in the other thread where I destroyed your god arguments. ''We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random.'' Quantum theorists disagree with you and there is no reason to believe you instead of them.

Bring evidence and debunk quantum theory then.

Is the reason why scientists haven't found out everything about physics, yet, because complexity rises from simple rules? You are starting to sound like a simpleton who can't begin to realize how complex the rules are.

Something more complex than humans created them, so that they are able to create a few things that are complex in different ways than they are. Other than that, you don't really know that humans create things that are more complex than they are.

That other thread was where you destroyed your integrity rather than my points, by simply not accepting proof for what it is, right in its face.

Did you see your, above, line about quantum theorists? Notice the word "theorists." A scientific theory is known to be subject to change based on new findings. This alone shows that it is not fact. C&E is a fact, as proven by the vast quantities of C&E that exist, without even one pure random proof. Quantum is theory, not fact.

If a scientist who is a theorist says that a theory is fact, he is contradicting himself simply by the nature of what a scientific theory is. If YOU state that he says such, you are just as self-contradictory as he is.

Still waiting for proof of one instance of evolution, and now pure random, as well. Are you getting hot under the collar, yet, because your ideas are so easily being shown to be a bunch of blab that doesn't have any substance?

Evolution is a hoax, and you are part of the hoaxing team.

[Astargath]

''Not one proof of pure random has been shown''

Again: Complexity arises from simple rules, atoms bumping into each other is enough. Humans are capable of creating things more complex than themselves, you don't need something more complex. This is already debunked several times in the other thread where I destroyed your god arguments. ''We see C&E all over the place. We have not one evidence of pure random.'' Quantum theorists disagree with you and there is no reason to believe you instead of them.

Bring evidence and debunk quantum theory then.

Is the reason why scientists haven't found out everything about physics, yet, because complexity rises from simple rules? You are starting to sound like a simpleton who can't begin to realize how complex the rules are.

Something more complex than humans created them, so that they are able to create a few things that are complex in different ways than they are. Other than that, you don't really know that humans create things that are more complex than they are.

That other thread was where you destroyed your integrity rather than my points, by simply not accepting proof for what it is, right in its face.

Did you see your, above, line about quantum theorists? Notice the word "theorists." A scientific theory is known to be subject to change based on new findings. This alone shows that it is not fact. C&E is a fact, as proven by the vast quantities of C&E that exist, without even one pure random proof. Quantum is theory, not fact.

If a scientist who is a theorist says that a theory is fact, he is contradicting himself simply by the nature of what a scientific theory is. If YOU state that he says such, you are just as self-contradictory as he is.

Still waiting for proof of one instance of evolution, and now pure random, as well. Are you getting hot under the collar, yet, because your ideas are so easily being shown to be a bunch of blab that doesn't have any substance?

Evolution is a hoax, and you are part of the hoaxing team.

''C&E is a fact'' So what? A cause can still produce randomness, what's the cause of rolling a dice? A human hand, now that you know the cause, do you know the outcome?