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February 25, 2018, 02:04:35 PM
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The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

The article does not say they re-do the experiment.

You understand how shady that whole issue looks like? You wait until the guy dies, then you find his stuff (ofcourse everyone play fair like evolutionists always did) and you say - hey - his stuff proves our point..........

And nowhere in the article about it says that the experiments was redone... Only you say. Based on your word that experiment was redone....

It all looks criminal to me - you know?

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Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You know? You had some purpose to give this scientist and not the other. Why this one if he is not known? It makes no sense. Or maybe you wanted it to not make sense. That's why I asked - do you know what are we talking about? Or can't you not only read but think as well.
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February 25, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
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You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

You lack the ability to think don't you?

Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You will never convince these religious extremists of anything, they just wont accept the evidence, ever.



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February 25, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
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You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

You lack the ability to think don't you?

Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You will never convince these religious extremists of anything, they just wont accept the evidence, ever.

What evidence? Of crime scene? Yeah Im convinced.
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February 25, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
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The article does not say they re-do the experiment.

You understand how shaddy that whole issue looks like? You wait until the guy dies, then you find his stuff (ofcourse everyone play fair like evolutionists always did) and you say - hey - his stuff proves our point..........

And nowhere in the article about it says that the experiments was redone... Only you say. Based on your word that experiment was redone....

It all looks criminal to me - you know?



Oh. My. God. It's like talking to a brick wall. Please at least TRY to educate yourself before posting such utter nonsense.

Firstly, you were the one that linked that article. I'm not basing my arguments on that article, and to claim that I am is a complete strawman.



Here is the paper where they re-analysed his vials with modern equipment:

Parker ET, et al. Primordial synthesis of amines and amino acids in a 1958 Miller H2S-rich spark discharge experiment. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 108(14), 2011.



Here is just a tiny selection of papers redoing and reproving the Miller-Urey experiment in a variety of ways:

Plankensteiner K, Reiner H, Rode BM. Amino acids on the rampant primordial Earth: Electric discharges and the hot salty ocean. Mol Divers, 2006.

Ruiz-Bermejo M, Menor-Salván C, Osuna-Esteban S, Veintemillas-Verdaguer S. Prebiotic microreactors: A synthesis of purines and dihydroxy compounds in aqueous aerosol. Origins Life Evol Biosph, 2007.

Navarro-González R, Molina MJ, Molina LT. Nitrogen fixation by volcanic lightning in the early Earth. Geophys Res Lett, 1998.

Parker ET, et al. Prebiotic synthesis of methionine and other sulfur-containing organic compounds on the primitive Earth. Origins Life Evol Biosph, 2010.

Heyns HK, Walter W, Meyer E. Model experiments on the formation of organic compounds in the atmosphere of simple gases by electrical discharges. Die Naturwissenschaften, 1957.

Lu H-K, et al. Formation of sulfur-containing amino acids by electric discharge in a reductive atmosphere. Chem Abstracts, 1960.

Sagan C, Khare BN. Long-wavelength ultraviolet photoproduction of amino acids on the primitive Earth. Science, 1971.

Khare BN, Sagan C. Synthesis of cystine in simulated primitive conditions. Nature, 1971.

Van Trump JE, Miller SL. Prebiotic synthesis of methionine. Science, 1972.



You know? You had some purpose to give this scientist and not the other. Why this one if he is not known?

He is the earliest example of which I am aware. There are hundreds of others I could tell you about.



Since I have provided you with literally screeds of evidence, I want you to now provide evidence to back up your claims. All you have done is make nonsense, baseless, factless and outlandish claims, and if you do the same again, this argument is decidedly over. Evidence or nothing.

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February 25, 2018, 02:34:05 PM
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You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

You lack the ability to think don't you?

Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You will never convince these religious extremists of anything, they just wont accept the evidence, ever.

What evidence? Of crime scene? Yeah Im convinced.

Well I hope you never become a lawyer or a judge because everyone would be innocent unless there is video evidence, right?



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February 25, 2018, 03:05:35 PM
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Plankensteiner K, Reiner H, Rode BM. Amino acids on the rampant primordial Earth: Electric discharges and the hot salty ocean. Mol Divers, 2006.

Ruiz-Bermejo M, Menor-Salván C, Osuna-Esteban S, Veintemillas-Verdaguer S. Prebiotic microreactors: A synthesis of purines and dihydroxy compounds in aqueous aerosol. Origins Life Evol Biosph, 2007.

2006 and 2007...... ummmm.... Well.... They found the vial in 2008... Shouldnt they repeat the experiment after 2008? None of your papers are after the 2008. You know what is the definition of redoing the experiment don;t you? There are no conclusions just a veeeeeeeeeery brief mention "may have played a significant role in the prebiotic origin of molecular diversity and evolution" That could mean anything. On the internet I could only find the abstract. Can you give me some links to whole of the reaserch and what its about? It is not a redo of Miller experiment.... So do not lie.

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Parker ET, et al. Prebiotic synthesis of methionine and other sulfur-containing organic compounds on the primitive Earth. Origins Life Evol Biosph, 2010.

I checked that because its after the 2008. And I have found that:

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Identification of Vials and Experimental Description

Read that.... Seriously. The describtion of the experiment means how to re-examine the Miller's vials. It is not a redo of the experiment...

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He is the earliest example of which I am aware. There are hundreds of others I could tell you about.

As I am not aware what he found out I have to assume he found that adaptation works. I agree. It works. Anything more? What exactly has he proven. If you had read it - tell me. What have he discovered? Have he made a new specie - and by specie I mean the speciment that is seperated in his ability to breed with the previous speciments.

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Since I have provided you with literally screeds of evidence,

L O L...... You are funny. You had gave me some materials with basicly only abstract that could be about anything but not Miller experiments that were before 2008 when I asked you to prove they redone the experiment after 2008....
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February 25, 2018, 03:18:37 PM
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Have he made a new specie - and by specie I mean the speciment that is seperated in his ability to breed with the previous speciments.

Let's go back to my very first comment in this thread (emphasis added):

Georgy Shaposhnikov evolved a new and reproductively isolated species of aphid by altering their food source in the 1950s.

We are now going in circles. Your inability to read, process or respond to the mountains of evidence I have presented to you, coupled with the fact that you have offered exactly zero evidence of your own, suggests there is no point in continuing this conversation with you. You seem quite happy to be wilfully ignorant.

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February 25, 2018, 03:24:31 PM
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Have he made a new specie - and by specie I mean the speciment that is seperated in his ability to breed with the previous speciments.

Let's go back to my very first comment in this thread (emphasis added):

Georgy Shaposhnikov evolved a new and reproductively isolated species of aphid by altering their food source in the 1950s.

We are now going in circles. Your inability to read, process or respond to the mountains of evidence I have presented to you, coupled with the fact that you have offered exactly zero evidence of your own, suggests there is no point in continuing this conversation with you. You seem quite happy to be wilfully ignorant.

Ok thank you. He isolated the specie... I believe you. Let me just inform myself about the matter and contact you again ok?  Just tell me in what paper he had proven that? About the Miller experiments your materials clearly says they have not redo the experiments after 2008. Simple as that. Give me the material about the experiment that have been redone as you claim it was after 2008 or its non-existant.

We are talking about Evolution being a hoax and not Przemax being a hoax mmmk?

Your material from 2006:

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For more than 50 years scientists who study prebiotic chemistry have been dealing with chemical evolution as it could have possibly taken place on the primordial Earth. Since we will never know what processes have really taken place around 3.8 to 4 billion years ago we can only come up with plausible reaction pathways that work well in an early Earth scenario as indicated by geochemists. In our work we have investigated the plausibility of one particularly important branch of prebiotic chemistry, the formation of amino acids, by electric discharge in a neutral atmosphere composed of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapour above liquid water. We have found yields of various amino acids under different temperature conditions, with and without sodium chloride in a simulated primordial lake or ocean within extremely short reaction times compared to the timespan available for prebiotic evolution.

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We have found yields of various amino acids

yields of various? 5? 6? 7? How many? In 2006 There was a 5 amino acids found and scientific breakthrough had made it 25 in the year of 2010... Yeah... Magic...

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suggests there is no point in continuing this conversation with you.

Why? I want to know the "so obvious" truth. Give me the materials of redone experiments after the 2008 or the results of pre 2008 experiments, and a paper in which the isolation of specie is proven. Just as simple as that.
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February 25, 2018, 04:16:27 PM
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There was a 5 amino acids found and scientific breakthrough had made it 25 in the year of 2010... Yeah... Magic...

For the third time - the experiment in 1952 found 5 amino acids, the same experiment 50 years later found 25 amino acids because we have better technology than is better at detecting amino acids. I appreciate that may sound like "magic" to you, but I assure you it is not.



About the Miller experiments your materials clearly says they have not redo the experiments after 2008. Simple as that. Give me the material about the experiment that have been redone as you claim it was after 2008 or its non-existant.

Please quote where I said the experiment was re-done after 2008. I said no such thing. You decided that 2008 as an arbitrary cut off, for reasons know only to yourself.



You have completely failed to respond to the mountains of evidence presented, you have completely failed to present a single shred of evidence of your own, and you are now arguing against things I did not even say. Time to admit you have lost.

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February 25, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
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There was a 5 amino acids found and scientific breakthrough had made it 25 in the year of 2010... Yeah... Magic...

For the third time - the experiment in 1952 found 5 amino acids, the same experiment 50 years later found 25 amino acids because we have better technology than is better at detecting amino acids. I appreciate that may sound like "magic" to you, but I assure you it is not.



About the Miller experiments your materials clearly says they have not redo the experiments after 2008. Simple as that. Give me the material about the experiment that have been redone as you claim it was after 2008 or its non-existant.

Please quote where I said the experiment was re-done after 2008. I said no such thing. You decided that 2008 as an arbitrary cut off, for reasons know only to yourself.



You have completely failed to respond to the mountains of evidence presented, you have completely failed to present a single shred of evidence of your own, and you are now arguing against things I did not even say. Time to admit you have lost.

Ok I believe you... 50 years later they made 25 amino acids. I have only your words.... I believe your words... Because you are so awesome..... Please. Give me the proof.... FFS. I have read your papers from 2006 and 2007, none of them says about the variety of amino acids produced, so please... If you have more info than from the internet - show me as I can't confirm that what you say.

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Please quote where I said the experiment was re-done after 2008. I said no such thing. You decided that 2008 as an arbitrary cut off, for reasons know only to yourself.

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You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............
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The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it."


The experiment have been re-done - Your words when I asked why would they not redo the experiments to confirm the found vial results are viable.

Or maybe you believe those evolutionists like they would be the God incarnated themselves? I guess you do believe them unconditionally.....

Its not arbitrary. It is just logic. If they had found out something out of the vial - they were surprised, so they should confirm if its legit. Isn't it?

So... Ok obviously you can't and won't find experiment after 2008 for obvious reasons. In that case if you could show me the results of the most recent experiment from 2006? Because it is not saying the results - of how many amino acids were produced. I know they didnt need to do that because the experiment was not measuring that, but you have said that they redo the experiment - so if they did, they should be focused on the same effects.

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You have completely failed to respond to the mountains of evidence presented, you have completely failed to present a single shred of evidence of your own, and you are now arguing against things I did not even say. Time to admit you have lost.

? What are you talking about? You have not proven by no means that 2008 finding is legit, or that 2006 claims what you claim it claims neither other experiments.

And you have failed to show me the paper in which it is proven to isolate the specie. So just do of one of those things.
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Evolutionists often express irritation when Piltdown Man and other fakes are raised by their opponents.  A common attempt to put a ‘positive spin’ on the whole affair is to portray it as a ‘plus’ for science, demonstrating its allegedly ‘self-correcting nature’.  After all, we are told, it was evolutionary scientists themselves who discovered the fraud. 
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Ok I believe you... 50 years later they made 25 amino acids. I have only your words.... I believe your words... Because you are so awesome..... Please. Give me the proof....
Once again:

Parker ET, et al. Primordial synthesis of amines and amino acids in a 1958 Miller H2S-rich spark discharge experiment. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 108(14), 2011.



And you have failed to show me the paper in which it is proven to isolate the specie. So just do of one of those things.
Also, once again:

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of some aphid groups in relation to evolution of Rosadeae. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1951.



You keep shouing for evidence, I keep providing it, and you keep ignoring it. I would like to, for the fourth time, invite you to provide any evidence whatsoever that your back up your claims.

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LEARN HOW TO READ! It is written there - they use the vials that the Miller produced.... Its embarassing.

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Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of some aphid groups in relation to evolution of Rosadeae. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1951.

Not again... You had gave me more than 10 papers. I wanted you to pick one. Have you read it yourself? It is a rare material that is not on the internet. You cant assume you won because you had gave me something to read, that I have no access to.

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You keep shouing for evidence, I keep providing it, and you keep ignoring it. I would like to, for the fourth time, invite you to provide any evidence whatsoever that your back up your claims.

It is an evolution is a hoax topic. You see? We are talking about evolution and not what I think.
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Scientists don't debate evolution because there isn't really anything to debate, it's a facts from several different sciences leading to an obvious conclusion
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February 25, 2018, 05:29:51 PM
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LEARN HOW TO READ! It is written there - they use the vials that the Miller produced.... Its embarassing.
Cleaves HJ, Chalmers JH, Lazcano A, Miller SL, Bada JL. A Reassessment of Prebiotic Organic Synthesis in Neutral Planetary Atmospheres. Orig Life Evol Biosph 38, 2008.

A paper from 2008 where they started from scratch. Same results.



Not again... You had gave me more than 10 papers. I wanted you to pick one. I will go and read it. Have you read it yourself? It is a rare material that is not on the internet. You cant assume you won because you had gave me something to read, that I have no access to.
If you can't access that paper, I would refer you to this handy list of approximately 50 more examples of new species being created in a lab.



I would also repeat this:

Your inability to find and read academic papers is not an argument against evolution.



It is an evolution is a hoax topic. You see? We are talking about evolution and not what I think.

You are putting forward baseless opinions. I have asked you, now 5 times, for a single shred of evidence to support your opinions, and you have provided nothing.

I assumed you had a basic knowledge of how science works and how debating works, that you are expected to back up your claims and not just make wild accusations. I realise now I was wrong. My mistake. I am getting bored of leading you by the hand through an elementary education in both the scientific process and evolution. You seem content being wilfully ignorant, and seem eager to stay that way.

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Cleaves HJ, Chalmers JH, Lazcano A, Miller SL, Bada JL. A Reassessment of Prebiotic Organic Synthesis in Neutral Planetary Atmospheres. Orig Life Evol Biosph 38, 2008.

A paper from 2008 where they started from scratch. Same results.

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The action of an electric discharge on reduced gas mixtures such as H(2)O, CH(4) and NH(3) (or N(2)) results in the production of several biologically important organic compounds including amino acids. However, it is now generally held that the early Earth's atmosphere was likely not reducing, but was dominated by N(2) and CO(2). The synthesis of organic compounds by the action of electric discharges on neutral gas mixtures has been shown to be much less efficient. We show here that contrary to previous reports, significant amounts of amino acids are produced from neutral gas mixtures. The low yields previously reported appear to be the outcome of oxidation of the organic compounds during hydrolytic workup by nitrite and nitrate produced in the reactions. The yield of amino acids is greatly increased when oxidation inhibitors, such as ferrous iron, are added prior to hydrolysis. Organic synthesis from neutral atmospheres may have depended on the oceanic availability of oxidation inhibitors as well as on the nature of the primitive atmosphere itself. The results reported here suggest that endogenous synthesis from neutral atmospheres may be more important than previously thought.

Have I missed something or they had not mentioned how many variety of amino acids they produce? I might have not found it - but show me... quote it ctr c and ctr v and give link.

Oh look what I have found: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-Reassessment-of-Prebiotic-Organic-Synthesis-in-N-Cleaves-Chalmers/089877438f38da992b56ea97e04da18365adb134

Look at their graph. Graph Figure 2. You see? Only 5 amino acids plus others meaning some other 3. So thats max 8 but probably the last 3 are not used for life. The table 2 enumerates the amino acids to a total 8 of them.

Same results? Indeed... Not even close to 20 amino acids.

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If you can't access that paper, I would refer you to this handy list of approximately 50 more examples of new species being created in a lab.

Ok I will... Thank you.

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Your inability to find and read academic papers is not an argument against evolution.

I never claimed it had. Do I?

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You are putting forward baseless opinions. I have asked you, now 5 times, for a single shred of evidence to support your opinions, and you have provided nothing.

The topic is evolution is a hoax - you have stand in the apologetic terms. So I ask for evidence on the defence that it is not a hoax. How can you say thats offtopic?Huh?

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I assumed you had a basic knowledge of how science works and how debating works, that you are expected to back up your claims and not just make wild accusations.

You act like a typical evolutionist. If he is nervous he is making ad hominem attacks. You have not presented the evidence of your claims of initial experiment producing 25 amino acids and neither presenting the claims that 2008 research is valid because the experiment havnt been redone, and you failed to present verbating word to word statement from your papers that assures the reader that the experiment they have made done what you say they did - making 24 amino acids.

Its just that........

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I realise now I was wrong. My mistake. I am getting bored of leading you by the hand through an elementary education in both the scientific process and evolution. You seem content being wilfully ignorant, and seem eager to stay that way.

Yes I am content that the research you have pointed me to leads to the conclusions of making only 8 amino acids at best.
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It is always the same with creationists. "Show me the transitional fossils!" Here they are. "Aha, but where are the transitional fossils between the transitional fossils you just showed me? Now there are two gaps instead of just one!"

First you said, "he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism". I proved that wrong.

Then you said, "Why not repeat the experiments". I proved that they did.

Then, for reasons entirely unclear to anyone except yourself, it had to be an experiment from 2008. I proved that one as well.

Now it's a problem with the type of amino acids created? Utterly hilarious.

Given barn door evidence that the building blocks of life formed in the early earth environment, you react by imposing arbitrary new constraints on the evidence that you will accept. Here's the issue though: No amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason. Therefore, there is nothing I can say and no evidence I can present that will change your mind.

The very fact that you use the word "evolutionist" as an insult is a perfect metaphor for this entire argument. An evolutionist is simply someone who understands science and accepts facts. Something you clearly are not.

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February 25, 2018, 07:24:47 PM
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It is always the same with creationists. "Show me the transitional fossils!" Here they are. "Aha, but where are the transitional fossils between the transitional fossils you just showed me? Now there are two gaps instead of just one!"

First you said, "he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism". I proved that wrong.

Then you said, "Why not repeat the experiments". I proved that they did.

Then, for reasons entirely unclear to anyone except yourself, it had to be an experiment from 2008. I proved that one as well.

Now it's a problem with the type of amino acids created? Utterly hilarious.

Given barn door evidence that the building blocks of life formed in the early earth environment, you react by imposing arbitrary new constraints on the evidence that you will accept. Here's the issue though: No amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason. Therefore, there is nothing I can say and no evidence I can present that will change your mind.

The very fact that you use the word "evolutionist" as an insult is a perfect metaphor for this entire argument. An evolutionist is simply someone who understands science and accepts facts. Something you clearly are not.

I appreciate your effort but it is indeed close to impossible to convince a creationist. The only few times him and badecker came up with some examples why evolution is impossible were:

''Evolution contradicts the second law of thermodynamics'' Which is simply wrong
''The mathematical impossibility of evolution'' Which was also just wrong
Also 99% of their links are from a few religious websites. They also never provide a single piece of evidence that supports creationism other than hur durr god did it.



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February 25, 2018, 08:13:14 PM
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It is always the same with creationists. "Show me the transitional fossils!" Here they are. "Aha, but where are the transitional fossils between the transitional fossils you just showed me? Now there are two gaps instead of just one!"

First you said, "he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism". I proved that wrong.

Then you said, "Why not repeat the experiments". I proved that they did.

Then, for reasons entirely unclear to anyone except yourself, it had to be an experiment from 2008. I proved that one as well.

Now it's a problem with the type of amino acids created? Utterly hilarious.

Given barn door evidence that the building blocks of life formed in the early earth environment, you react by imposing arbitrary new constraints on the evidence that you will accept. Here's the issue though: No amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason. Therefore, there is nothing I can say and no evidence I can present that will change your mind.

The very fact that you use the word "evolutionist" as an insult is a perfect metaphor for this entire argument. An evolutionist is simply someone who understands science and accepts facts. Something you clearly are not.


I have proven your research that you had gave produced only 8 amino acids in the year of 2008  . The other research produced 25 amino acids in 2008. Yet you claim it is the same experiment just redone. If you do not find that problematic I dont know what is wrong with your intelligence or honesty.

8 is not 25. How stupid one should be not to see that? Yet you see that is not a problem. That is beyond me. I rest my case. Good luck with your "research". Bye. I cannot reason with people challenged mathematicly and logically.

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You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason.

Said a person seeing no problem in calling 8 being 25......... Awesome bro.

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Utterly hilarious.

Indeed my dear science monger... Indeed. Utterly hilarious.

Good luck in your scientific explorations Tongue. You will need it. You will need it a lot.
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February 25, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
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It is always the same with creationists. "Show me the transitional fossils!" Here they are. "Aha, but where are the transitional fossils between the transitional fossils you just showed me? Now there are two gaps instead of just one!"

First you said, "he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism". I proved that wrong.

Then you said, "Why not repeat the experiments". I proved that they did.

Then, for reasons entirely unclear to anyone except yourself, it had to be an experiment from 2008. I proved that one as well.

Now it's a problem with the type of amino acids created? Utterly hilarious.

Given barn door evidence that the building blocks of life formed in the early earth environment, you react by imposing arbitrary new constraints on the evidence that you will accept. Here's the issue though: No amount of evidence will ever be good enough for you. You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason. Therefore, there is nothing I can say and no evidence I can present that will change your mind.

The very fact that you use the word "evolutionist" as an insult is a perfect metaphor for this entire argument. An evolutionist is simply someone who understands science and accepts facts. Something you clearly are not.


I have proven your own research you had gave produced only 8 amino acids in the year of 2008  . The other research produced 25 amino acids in 2008. Yet you claim it is the same experiment just redone. If you do not find that problematic I dont know what is wrong with your intelligence or honesty.

8 is not 25. How stupid one should be not to see that? Yet you see that is not a problem. That is beyond me. I rest my case. Good luck with your "research". Bye. I cannot reason with people challenged mathematicly and logically.

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You don't understand science or the scientific process. You don't accept logic and reason.

Said a person seeing no problem in calling 8 being 25......... Awesome bro.

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Utterly hilarious.

Indeed my dear science monger... Indeed. Utterly hilarious.

Good luck in your scientific explorations Tongue. You will need it. You will need it a lot.

When are you providing proof of creationism?



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