Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big.

[philipma1957]

simply not worth 2899

3 card 1080 ti.

I paid 770 for the evga 1080 ti
I paid 703 for the zotac 1080 ti mini
I paid 665 for the asus 1080 ti
I paid 121 for the 850 watt quark  psu


this is 2259  you can get 1 stick of 8gb ram for 61 and a usb 3 stick for 30 that is 90
this is   91
total   2350   plus 50 for a lowed cpu
             50
total   2400     and you can do 2000- 2100 sols  vs 2000 sols  smaller space  use about 600 watts vs 800 watts

mobo 100

2500


I did over kill

I paid 100 for a mobo
I paid 200 for 4 8gb sticks of ram  only need 1 stck
I paid 150 for an i5 7500t cpu  = overkill
I paid   70 for a 1tb hdd
I paid   30 for a win 10 key


this is 550
plus  2259
total  2809   with way more power then the  prebuilt
or 2500  with more power but not killer.

with way still much cheaper then the prebuilt and the 2899 they want does not include shipping

Probably around 2899 USD -- similar to this

https://www.eastshore.xyz/tutorial-ethereum-miner-of-nvidia-p106-100-mining-card-eth-zcash-xmr-supported/
https://www.eastshore.xyz/shop/

Anyways.... the Pandminer episode left a bitter taste - no nightmares like that again...

BW.com hops into to the graphics card mining train with BW-E22 Miner.
Any thoughts?
Seems quite powerful.
It can be found at their Chinese main page.
https://www.bw.com/


Google translate:

Code:

Power supply: 1250W dedicated power supply (chassis external)
System power consumption: 800 ~ 900W
CPU: INTEL CELERON CPU G1840 @ 2.8G dual-core LGA1150
DDR: 4G DDR3 SO-DIMM
SSD: 64G high speed solid state hard drive
NIC: Gigabit Ethernet card
USB: 2 USB2.0
Graphics card: 6 NVIDIA GTX1060 6G Miner dedicated graphics
Display Output: HDMI (Motherboard)
Fan: 3 12038 4PIN server professional fan
Startup: Power on automatically starts
Operating system: WINDOWS 10 / LINUX
Chassis Size: 468mm X 341mm X 133mm
Calculus ETH: 140Mh / s soil 10%, single card 23 Mh / soil 10% s

it is all about price

what do they want for it?



My 3 card 2x 1080 ti    and 1 x 1070  would kill it mining zec.


My newer 3x 1080 ti    would kill it  a bit harder doing zec.

Why 8 gb vs 4gb?

I have found with all 1080 ti's

  the cpu can be cheap  like a pentium 4400t  but it runs a bit smoother with a single 8gb stick

I also grabbed a lot of 8gb sticks at 46  bucks each.

I also grabbed a lot of cpus for 110 to 150  i5 6400t i5 6500t i5 7400t i5 7500t
Since I do eBay sales the cpus are easy to sell back


you can save on the cpu using a 4400t you can save on the ram using 1 4gb stick.

but mobo+cpu+ram  last 2-4 years easy with my builds..  So having better specs pays off.

I churn the gpus' every six months or so.

 the z170 biostar mobos  are great for 2,3,4 card builds and  10 of 11 still work after 16 months . they all have 8gb ram sticks  and mostly i5 6400t cpus


 they have used rx 470
then rx 480 4gb
then rx 480 8gb
then nvidia 1070
now 1080 ti


maybe amd vega next?

I hope to use those mobos for at least another year.


Remember I stay small in the summer.  
I have 5 1080 ti's
I have some test rigs in the house.


I have 7 1080 ti's in the solar array
I have 64th for btc in the solar array.

When it gets cold I will pull the 1080 ti's from the array
bringing me to 12 1080 ti's in the house for heating + mining
and I will add to get to say 16-20 ti's

the mobos + ram + cpu  become more like the psu's a long term item

the gpus I will be churning

[citronick]

Check this out, vega specs finally.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-56-official-slide-performance-specs-price-leak/


Im interested in the vega 56 line up, which is basically a 1070 card but with HBM2 ram for coins like Zcash could be really good.  Im really hoping this will turn out to be the mining sweet spot for rig density and price/performance but that all depends how it performs, ETH not good for HBM2 but some of the others could end up being nice.

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

[philipma1957]

Check this out, vega specs finally.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-56-official-slide-performance-specs-price-leak/


Im interested in the vega 56 line up, which is basically a 1070 card but with HBM2 ram for coins like Zcash could be really good.  Im really hoping this will turn out to be the mining sweet spot for rig density and price/performance but that all depends how it performs, ETH not good for HBM2 but some of the others could end up being nice.

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

I see 399 and 499 in that thread.

They may be a good or great zec  card.

but at 499  it needs to be  able to do 600 sols at 180 watts to be better then  the 1080 ti

I can do 640 sols at 170 watts with the 1080 ti  and pay 665 with a good deal

the the higher end amd doing 600 sols at 180 watts and costing less per sol  makes it better then the 1080ti

[soothaa]

VEGA looks pretty disappointing in my opinion. Like you said, it will be all about how many SOLs it can produce and the wattage against the 1080 TI. With its Ethash rate almost the same as the 1080 ti it might just edge it out no matter what, and the lower price helps, but I guess the real question will come down to availability. I can still walk into Microcenter and grab a few 1080 tis no problem, I doubt they will have stock of VEGA sitting around ready to be purchased.

[fr4nkthetank]

It seems VEGA can do almost 40 eth, maybe more with RX / updates we shall see, but the interesting thing is it can dual mine 3500 - 4500 decred at the same time, which is not too shabby. 

[philipma1957]

I will get one or two but does not seem like a game changing miner

[soothaa]

It seems VEGA can do almost 40 eth, maybe more with RX / updates we shall see, but the interesting thing is it can dual mine 3500 - 4500 decred at the same time, which is not too shabby. 

It is not outright bad. But as quoted below, it is not what we all hoped it would be. Even still with those numbers a return on investment is not likely for quite a long time unless there are severe shortages and you are a lucky one to grab them early. The network hashrate will adjust within days most likely.

I will get one or two but does not seem like a game changing miner

Yeah that is probably what I will do as well, I have plenty of spare slots and I would love to pick up a couple just to play with. Now if only Newegg accepted straight ETH so I could buy them without any exchanging!

[mraug]

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

Aren't you guys worried about the ZEC price because of speculation about the backdoor?

Are you holding all your ZEC or trading for something?

[Storx]

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

Aren't you guys worried about the ZEC price because of speculation about the backdoor?

Are you holding all your ZEC or trading for something?

What backdoor is this?
I heard about jp morgan jumping onboard and buying up millions of tokens... but backdoor?

[mraug]

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

Aren't you guys worried about the ZEC price because of speculation about the backdoor?

Are you holding all your ZEC or trading for something?

What backdoor is this?
I heard about jp morgan jumping onboard and buying up millions of tokens... but backdoor?

Rumors and speculations:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1677603.340

[philipma1957]

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

Aren't you guys worried about the ZEC price because of speculation about the backdoor?

Are you holding all your ZEC or trading for something?

What backdoor is this?
I heard about jp morgan jumping onboard and buying up millions of tokens... but backdoor?

Rumors and speculations:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1677603.340

Based on two posts by one guy  that zec has a back door used to hack a companies server.

I quote this as I am going back to delete the original posts.  and it looks like I forgot to add that when I opened this thread.  So I may close thread as there are some other posts I am looking to delete.

[Storx]

Man the more and more Vega news coming out, i feel like its literally an updated fury.....

[citronick]

Man the more and more Vega news coming out, i feel like its literally an updated fury.....

while we are on Vega.... there is even a fury x look alike - the one with the external cooler..... LOL

anyways.... its no secret that alot of banks are getting into crypto currency for the fear of getting left behind.

I know several people that became rich over night by trading alt coins.... and an industry that is hardly regulated like the stock market.... the JP Morgans and Goldman Sachs of the world... the are not going to do nothing and will use their full influence to get into the game. I think those two banks are behind pressuring the US government crackdown on crypto exchanges, extra scrutiny and taxation.

Get your BTC out of exchanges fast.

Anyways, IMHO.... I think we need to step up and get a sizable portfolio in crypto currencies - that includes BTC too - mining or trading, or both, I think we are all in our all time best year to create wealth.

Mine on!

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[philipma1957]

Man the more and more Vega news coming out, i feel like its literally an updated fury.....

while we are on Vega.... there is even a fury x look alike - the one with the external cooler..... LOL

anyways.... its no secret that alot of banks are getting into crypto currency for the fear of getting left behind.

I know several people that became rich over night by trading alt coins.... and an industry that is hardly regulated like the stock market.... the JP Morgans and Goldman Sachs of the world... the are not going to do nothing and will use their full influence to get into the game. I think those two banks are behind pressuring the US government crackdown on crypto exchanges, extra scrutiny and taxation.

Get your BTC out of exchanges fast.

Anyways, IMHO.... I think we need to step up and get a sizable portfolio in crypto currencies - that includes BTC too - mining or trading, or both, I think we are all in our all time best year to create wealth.

Mine on!

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not looking to get rich quick.

but making money does work for me.

[vg54dett]

I think those two banks are behind pressuring the US government crackdown on crypto exchanges, extra scrutiny and taxation.

Get your BTC out of exchanges fast.

Anyways, IMHO.... I think we need to step up and get a sizable portfolio in crypto currencies - that includes BTC too - mining or trading, or both, I think we are all in our all time best year to create wealth.

Mine on!

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1F019216d07AF89184DCB3510719e4eF8f0c4A90

Maybe getting the BTC out of exchanges won't be enough. And some new habits will be required.
Any suggests ?

Per curiosity, what would you recommend as portfolio ?
Your team strategy is always interesting to listen.

[citronick]

My group have standardized all wallets to hardware wallets, using Trezor (and offline Core). We use Poloniex, Coinbase and Bitrex sparingly...

Portfolio = BTC, ETH, LTC, DASH, Cash, coins that have Masternodes/Dividends/POS, BTC to Gold, Silver and maybe a couple of long term alt-coins like the up and coming NEO.

I wouldn't dismiss BCC at this moment too, the more I think about it... the more I Understand the reasons why its vital to have a simple 8mb blocksize on the original BTC...... vs the Segwit proposal. For any reasons Segwit fails to perform what its suppose to do..... I am glad somebody had the cow sense to do a backup plan (BCC).

Once Segwit is in place... I have a strange feeling that the future of BTC is forever locked to the melo-drama and whims of with a group of people.... talk about decentralization!

I think those two banks are behind pressuring the US government crackdown on crypto exchanges, extra scrutiny and taxation.

Get your BTC out of exchanges fast.

Anyways, IMHO.... I think we need to step up and get a sizable portfolio in crypto currencies - that includes BTC too - mining or trading, or both, I think we are all in our all time best year to create wealth.

Mine on!

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1F019216d07AF89184DCB3510719e4eF8f0c4A90

Maybe getting the BTC out of exchanges won't be enough. And some new habits will be required.
Any suggests ?

Per curiosity, what would you recommend as portfolio ?
Your team strategy is always interesting to listen.

[vg54dett]

Do you plan to play a hold strategy or a day to day trading strategy ?

Is trezor able to handle alt coins ? (like Ledger Nano S do)

[generalt]

I having second thoughts about this Vega lineup.....1070 and 1080ti are already king in ZEC and a whole bunch of ccminer algos.

Vega Gaming version even with fast HBM2 will be better?

Maybe a price tag of below $200 will change my mind...

Aren't you guys worried about the ZEC price because of speculation about the backdoor?

Are you holding all your ZEC or trading for something?

What backdoor is this?
I heard about jp morgan jumping onboard and buying up millions of tokens... but backdoor?

Rumors and speculations:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1677603.340

Based on two posts by one guy  that zec has a back door used to hack a companies server.

I quote this as I am going back to delete the original posts.  and it looks like I forgot to add that when I opened this thread.  So I may close thread as there are some other posts I am looking to delete.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that AlphaBay got busted because he leaked his email address when he first opened the forum section.

[citronick]

Do you plan to play a hold strategy or a day to day trading strategy ?

Is trezor able to handle alt coins ? (like Ledger Nano S do)

Trezor does only 5 wallets, BTC, DASH, LTC, ETH and ETC .... I recall

For other alt coins.... getting Nano is a good idea

At this juncture.... where crypto currency is slowly being regulated more and more, I think we need to have absolute control of our coins... so only hardware wallets will do

[Storx]

Do you plan to play a hold strategy or a day to day trading strategy ?

Is trezor able to handle alt coins ? (like Ledger Nano S do)

Trezor does only 5 wallets, BTC, DASH, LTC, ETH and ETC .... I recall

For other alt coins.... getting Nano is a good idea

At this juncture.... where crypto currency is slowly being regulated more and more, I think we need to have absolute control of our coins... so only hardware wallets will do

Im thinking of buying the ledger blue, from my understanding is it will support most alt coins.... can someone confirm this?